Anyone else surprised by a lack of interest in William & Mary?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

Both W&M and VT are in D1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They just reported an increase (again) in ED applications.

They’ve also been reported on for antisemitism on campus:


https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/williamsburg/jewish-wm-students-say-other-students-verbally-assaulted-them-due-to-war-in-israel/amp/

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/local/virginia/williamsburg/brick-thrown-william-mary-presidents-home-university-spokesperson-confirms/291-0542584c-c566-4999-9bd4-4e10f7931c2e

I’m not really political. HTo be fair, it was a 2 way street— Jewish students and pro-Palestinian students both behaved badly and campus police got involved. If there was any-semitism, then acknowledge there was also some nasty anti-Muslim rhetoric by Jewish students. No one came out looking good. This is right before fall break. DC says the break gave everyone the chance to get their footing and it’s gotten a lot better.

What was the nasty anti-Muslim rhetoric by Jewish students and where's your source for that?

If we've seen one commonality among all the protest incidents regarding the Gaza war, it's pro-Palestinians/Muslims attacking and harassing Jewish students who tend to be in the far minority. And Jewish students aren't generally the kind to get into physical fights with others, while the other side chants "By any means necessary", "Intifada, revolution", etc.

My my, aren’t we a racist POS. Jewish students “aren’t the kind to get into physical fights,” but “the other side” is? Seriously.

The source is my DC who was eating outside Sadler when Jewish and Palestinian students who were both “tabling” got into an altercation. She said it went from words to yelling to a mob fast. And yes, contrary to your racist assumption, the Jewish kids “were the kind” to get into a physical altercation with the Palestinians tabling. Indeed, DC says the Jewish students (who were angry in early October when this happened) appeared to have started the rhetoric and surrounded the Palestinians tabling. And from there, both parties were looking for a fight. And there was one. U til Fall Break, both parties were required to have campus police present at tabling and protests.

Sorry to shatter your world view about the long suffering, peaceful Jewish students who you seem to believe are inherently good and the violent Palestinians who are thugs by nature in your world view. The Jewish students were every bit as culpable.

Lose the martyr complex and the smug belief that now Jewish student could ever behave badly because they are inherently superior to the Arab students. Your belief in the inherent superiority of the Jewish people— while they kill babies in Gaza— is not helping you win hearts and mind.

“Jewish students are inherently superior and ‘aren’t the type’ to get into a brawl”. SMH, racist trash. Now tell us about “the type” of people Black, Asian and Hispanic students are. This should be good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M has several issues that makes it unattractive but the worst one, and also the one that it can't change, is its location.

1. It's an oversized LAC with no CS or engineering in the age of technology.
2. The lack of federally funded research dollars limits the rigor of classes provided at higher levels vs. universities where top undergrads often take graduate level courses. It also means lack of research opportunities and worse facilities.
3. The school is stressful, but students seem to incorrectly think they are at MIT, U. Chicago or Cornell. It's no where as bad.
4. It has parties and sports but they aren't as large as other publics, which is fine given there are plenty of options in-state and out for those that want that.
5. There are plenty of different types of students. If you're the kind worried about being surrounded by "quirky" or "weird" kids, you're probably aren't one of the cool kids anyways.
6. On the other end, the students aren't so kind or collaborative either. It's as competitive as any other school in it's tier, especially in pre-med and business.

The location, though, is unforgivably terrible.

1. It's suburban, so students don't get the fast-pace and opportunities of an urban environment nor the rustic charm of a rural location.
2. Despite being suburban, it's far from any major metros.
3. It's a tourist trap, so despite being a suburban location far from major metros, it's expensive. There aren't any charming and cheap local shops and cafes because they're replaced by national brands catering to tourists.
4. It's a retirement destination for seniors which adds to the high living expense. Despite being suburban, there aren't many young families around.
6. It's quite literally built on top of a swamp. So it's extremely humid and muggy.
7. It's in the South.

You really sound like you have an axe to grind. My kid looked at W&M seriously. It wasn't for them but there were a lot of positives. Some negatives too but nowhere near to the extent of your post. Two of their friends were thrilled to get in ED. Alums who I am friends with are insanely loyal to the place.

I've given a very balanced assessment of the school - that 's not as stressful as perceived, it's a LAC, it may not be as party-y or sport-y as other schools but that's fine, the students are normal as in any other school, and you think I have an axe to grind?

It's not really a LAC though, half of all majors are STEM

Do you understand what “liberal arts” means? I’m guessing not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M has several issues that makes it unattractive but the worst one, and also the one that it can't change, is its location.

1. It's an oversized LAC with no CS or engineering in the age of technology.
2. The lack of federally funded research dollars limits the rigor of classes provided at higher levels vs. universities where top undergrads often take graduate level courses. It also means lack of research opportunities and worse facilities.
3. The school is stressful, but students seem to incorrectly think they are at MIT, U. Chicago or Cornell. It's no where as bad.
4. It has parties and sports but they aren't as large as other publics, which is fine given there are plenty of options in-state and out for those that want that.
5. There are plenty of different types of students. If you're the kind worried about being surrounded by "quirky" or "weird" kids, you're probably aren't one of the cool kids anyways.
6. On the other end, the students aren't so kind or collaborative either. It's as competitive as any other school in it's tier, especially in pre-med and business.

The location, though, is unforgivably terrible.

1. It's suburban, so students don't get the fast-pace and opportunities of an urban environment nor the rustic charm of a rural location.
2. Despite being suburban, it's far from any major metros.
3. It's a tourist trap, so despite being a suburban location far from major metros, it's expensive. There aren't any charming and cheap local shops and cafes because they're replaced by national brands catering to tourists.
4. It's a retirement destination for seniors which adds to the high living expense. Despite being suburban, there aren't many young families around.
6. It's quite literally built on top of a swamp. So it's extremely humid and muggy.
7. It's in the South.

You really sound like you have an axe to grind. My kid looked at W&M seriously. It wasn't for them but there were a lot of positives. Some negatives too but nowhere near to the extent of your post. Two of their friends were thrilled to get in ED. Alums who I am friends with are insanely loyal to the place.

I've given a very balanced assessment of the school - that 's not as stressful as perceived, it's a LAC, it may not be as party-y or sport-y as other schools but that's fine, the students are normal as in any other school, and you think I have an axe to grind?

It's not really a LAC though, half of all majors are STEM

Science is a liberal art.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

William and Mary is D1. And plenty of people get drunk at the football stadium lol - one end zone is a beer terrace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M has several issues that makes it unattractive but the worst one, and also the one that it can't change, is its location.

1. It's an oversized LAC with no CS or engineering in the age of technology.
2. The lack of federally funded research dollars limits the rigor of classes provided at higher levels vs. universities where top undergrads often take graduate level courses. It also means lack of research opportunities and worse facilities.
3. The school is stressful, but students seem to incorrectly think they are at MIT, U. Chicago or Cornell. It's no where as bad.
4. It has parties and sports but they aren't as large as other publics, which is fine given there are plenty of options in-state and out for those that want that.
5. There are plenty of different types of students. If you're the kind worried about being surrounded by "quirky" or "weird" kids, you're probably aren't one of the cool kids anyways.
6. On the other end, the students aren't so kind or collaborative either. It's as competitive as any other school in it's tier, especially in pre-med and business.

The location, though, is unforgivably terrible.

1. It's suburban, so students don't get the fast-pace and opportunities of an urban environment nor the rustic charm of a rural location.
2. Despite being suburban, it's far from any major metros.
3. It's a tourist trap, so despite being a suburban location far from major metros, it's expensive. There aren't any charming and cheap local shops and cafes because they're replaced by national brands catering to tourists.
4. It's a retirement destination for seniors which adds to the high living expense. Despite being suburban, there aren't many young families around.
6. It's quite literally built on top of a swamp. So it's extremely humid and muggy.
7. It's in the South.

You really sound like you have an axe to grind. My kid looked at W&M seriously. It wasn't for them but there were a lot of positives. Some negatives too but nowhere near to the extent of your post. Two of their friends were thrilled to get in ED. Alums who I am friends with are insanely loyal to the place.

I've given a very balanced assessment of the school - that 's not as stressful as perceived, it's a LAC, it may not be as party-y or sport-y as other schools but that's fine, the students are normal as in any other school, and you think I have an axe to grind?

It's not really a LAC though, half of all majors are STEM

Do you understand what “liberal arts” means? I’m guessing not.

That's not really the implication OP was making though. The difference between a LAC and a research university is not engineering. W&M is getting reclassified to a R1 research level next year so the argument that it's a LAC is pretty null.

[Anonymous]

DD checked out insta for the class of 2028 and said that they might as well change the name of the school to William and Taylor.

[Anonymous]

I don’t get it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They just reported an increase (again) in ED applications.

They’ve also been reported on for antisemitism on campus:


https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/williamsburg/jewish-wm-students-say-other-students-verbally-assaulted-them-due-to-war-in-israel/amp/

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/local/virginia/williamsburg/brick-thrown-william-mary-presidents-home-university-spokesperson-confirms/291-0542584c-c566-4999-9bd4-4e10f7931c2e

I’m not really political. HTo be fair, it was a 2 way street— Jewish students and pro-Palestinian students both behaved badly and campus police got involved. If there was any-semitism, then acknowledge there was also some nasty anti-Muslim rhetoric by Jewish students. No one came out looking good. This is right before fall break. DC says the break gave everyone the chance to get their footing and it’s gotten a lot better.

What was the nasty anti-Muslim rhetoric by Jewish students and where's your source for that?

If we've seen one commonality among all the protest incidents regarding the Gaza war, it's pro-Palestinians/Muslims attacking and harassing Jewish students who tend to be in the far minority. And Jewish students aren't generally the kind to get into physical fights with others, while the other side chants "By any means necessary", "Intifada, revolution", etc.

My my, aren’t we a racist POS. Jewish students “aren’t the kind to get into physical fights,” but “the other side” is? Seriously.

The source is my DC who was eating outside Sadler when Jewish and Palestinian students who were both “tabling” got into an altercation. She said it went from words to yelling to a mob fast. And yes, contrary to your racist assumption, the Jewish kids “were the kind” to get into a physical altercation with the Palestinians tabling. Indeed, DC says the Jewish students (who were angry in early October when this happened) appeared to have started the rhetoric and surrounded the Palestinians tabling. And from there, both parties were looking for a fight. And there was one. U til Fall Break, both parties were required to have campus police present at tabling and protests.

Sorry to shatter your world view about the long suffering, peaceful Jewish students who you seem to believe are inherently good and the violent Palestinians who are thugs by nature in your world view. The Jewish students were every bit as culpable.

Lose the martyr complex and the smug belief that now Jewish student could ever behave badly because they are inherently superior to the Arab students. Your belief in the inherent superiority of the Jewish people— while they kill babies in Gaza— is not helping you win hearts and mind.

“Jewish students are inherently superior and ‘aren’t the type’ to get into a brawl”. SMH, racist trash. Now tell us about “the type” of people Black, Asian and Hispanic students are. This should be good.

You need to calm down and return to the Politics forum where you’ll be more comfortable, longtime “POS” poster. Your “child[‘s]” narrative of events is not corroborated by eyewitness reports and local TV stations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M has several issues that makes it unattractive but the worst one, and also the one that it can't change, is its location.

1. It's an oversized LAC with no CS or engineering in the age of technology.
2. The lack of federally funded research dollars limits the rigor of classes provided at higher levels vs. universities where top undergrads often take graduate level courses. It also means lack of research opportunities and worse facilities.
3. The school is stressful, but students seem to incorrectly think they are at MIT, U. Chicago or Cornell. It's no where as bad.
4. It has parties and sports but they aren't as large as other publics, which is fine given there are plenty of options in-state and out for those that want that.
5. There are plenty of different types of students. If you're the kind worried about being surrounded by "quirky" or "weird" kids, you're probably aren't one of the cool kids anyways.
6. On the other end, the students aren't so kind or collaborative either. It's as competitive as any other school in it's tier, especially in pre-med and business.

The location, though, is unforgivably terrible.

1. It's suburban, so students don't get the fast-pace and opportunities of an urban environment nor the rustic charm of a rural location.
2. Despite being suburban, it's far from any major metros.
3. It's a tourist trap, so despite being a suburban location far from major metros, it's expensive. There aren't any charming and cheap local shops and cafes because they're replaced by national brands catering to tourists.
4. It's a retirement destination for seniors which adds to the high living expense. Despite being suburban, there aren't many young families around.
6. It's quite literally built on top of a swamp. So it's extremely humid and muggy.
7. It's in the South.

You really sound like you have an axe to grind. My kid looked at W&M seriously. It wasn't for them but there were a lot of positives. Some negatives too but nowhere near to the extent of your post. Two of their friends were thrilled to get in ED. Alums who I am friends with are insanely loyal to the place.

+1 That poster sounds like the anti-W&M troll that can't be taken seriously.

Seriously. My kid isn’t even applying yet but it’s kid’s top choice. It’s pretty damn competitive which means there is a ton of interest. It’s a unicorn public school with LAC vibes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DD checked out insta for the class of 2028 and said that they might as well change the name of the school to William and Taylor.

Huh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

Both W&M and VT are in D1

Okay but W&M might as well be D3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They just reported an increase (again) in ED applications.

They’ve also been reported on for antisemitism on campus:


https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/williamsburg/jewish-wm-students-say-other-students-verbally-assaulted-them-due-to-war-in-israel/amp/

https://www.13newsnow.com/amp/article/news/local/virginia/williamsburg/brick-thrown-william-mary-presidents-home-university-spokesperson-confirms/291-0542584c-c566-4999-9bd4-4e10f7931c2e

I’m not really political. HTo be fair, it was a 2 way street— Jewish students and pro-Palestinian students both behaved badly and campus police got involved. If there was any-semitism, then acknowledge there was also some nasty anti-Muslim rhetoric by Jewish students. No one came out looking good. This is right before fall break. DC says the break gave everyone the chance to get their footing and it’s gotten a lot better.

What was the nasty anti-Muslim rhetoric by Jewish students and where's your source for that?

If we've seen one commonality among all the protest incidents regarding the Gaza war, it's pro-Palestinians/Muslims attacking and harassing Jewish students who tend to be in the far minority. And Jewish students aren't generally the kind to get into physical fights with others, while the other side chants "By any means necessary", "Intifada, revolution", etc.

My my, aren’t we a racist POS. Jewish students “aren’t the kind to get into physical fights,” but “the other side” is? Seriously.

The source is my DC who was eating outside Sadler when Jewish and Palestinian students who were both “tabling” got into an altercation. She said it went from words to yelling to a mob fast. And yes, contrary to your racist assumption, the Jewish kids “were the kind” to get into a physical altercation with the Palestinians tabling. Indeed, DC says the Jewish students (who were angry in early October when this happened) appeared to have started the rhetoric and surrounded the Palestinians tabling. And from there, both parties were looking for a fight. And there was one. U til Fall Break, both parties were required to have campus police present at tabling and protests.

Sorry to shatter your world view about the long suffering, peaceful Jewish students who you seem to believe are inherently good and the violent Palestinians who are thugs by nature in your world view. The Jewish students were every bit as culpable.

Lose the martyr complex and the smug belief that now Jewish student could ever behave badly because they are inherently superior to the Arab students. Your belief in the inherent superiority of the Jewish people— while they kill babies in Gaza— is not helping you win hearts and mind.

“Jewish students are inherently superior and ‘aren’t the type’ to get into a brawl”. SMH, racist trash. Now tell us about “the type” of people Black, Asian and Hispanic students are. This should be good.

It's stating a basic fact. The pro-Palestinians protests are full of leftists whether they are whites, blacks, Muslims, etc. and they are the ones going around chanting "Globalize the Intifada", "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Arab", "By any means necessary". They're the ones banging on library doors as Jewish students lock themselves in for safety at Cooper Union.

So yes, your little anecdote is meaningless in the national context of what's happening in the US and Europe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also for people who claim there's no sports culture that's definitely not true. It's not big like Tech, but last year and even moreso this year there were a lot of students at games, and at homecoming there was a line of students waiting to get into the game that wrapped around the stadium and a full student section. Freshman seem very into the sports culture.

You can't really compare sports culture at a D3 to a D1 school. And lack of sports culture if anything is a good thing, there's plenty of actual sports being played in intramurals. As opposed to getting drunk and going to the stadium.

William and Mary is D1. And plenty of people get drunk at the football stadium lol - one end zone is a beer terrace.

Sure, but again the Colonial Conference is not going to be anywhere as rowdy as the Big 10, SEC, even ACC, etc.

[Anonymous]

We couldn't believe how tiny the "stadium" at WM is. Actually thought at first it must be for soccer or lacrosse... but no, it's their football stadium.