Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Income segregation?? Please stop.

Montgomery County already offers too many affordable housing options which is why we have a sky rocket of illegal aliens attending our schools.

What do you find LOL-ish about income segregation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

These income guidelines are for purchase. In King Farm, HOC bought a number of units and yes, there are VERY low income people living in these on subsidy. It is such a waste. Many more people could be housed in upgraded housing stock if we didn't insist on integrating incomes by placing people on the public dole in expensive neighborhoods. You have HOC waiting lists several years long, but isn't it great that the family who gets chosen ends up with granite countertops?!

That is a different program. The MPDU guidelines listed above are for purchase AND rentals - Fallsgrove and King Farm have both types of MPDUs. Fallsgrove and King Farm also have low-income housing units (as you mentioned) through Rockville Housing Enterprises - there are 56 low-income tax credit units in Fallsgrove and King Farm and 4 other affordable housing units in those neighborhoods (separate from the MPDU program): http://www.rockvillehe.org/

I'm sorry you think it's a waste.

DP. Thank you for this information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are there really two pages on this thread of how middle class single family neighborhoods in Rockville/Potomac, zoned for RM, should get homes on 0.25 acre lots knocked down in the middle of a neighborhood and a cluster of like 2-4 HUD townhouses built there? All for the sake of adding more FARMS to one freaking school?

You people have lost your minds.

+1000

This conversation is a complete waste of time. It will NEVER happen.Whoever is coming up with this stuff has absolutely no sense of reality.

Agree. Why don't you all move this topic to Whitman, Wootton, and Churchill clusters since they have minimal FARMS in the entire cluster including middle and high school. RM cluster is very diverse and you are all losing your damn minds because for 6 years of school, some of the ES cluster schools have more FARMS than others. They will all be in the same darn middle and high school. Let the kids go to school closest to them and their neighbors and community. Don't break up Twinbrook after they asked you not to. Don't let kids continue to get bussed further away and not even feel a part of something. Not quite neighborly with kids going to other schools and not quite school friendly as they aren't anywhere near it. This cluster will be a massive joke if we have a school bus system all over the the city of Rockville for an already diverse high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Income segregation?? Please stop.

Montgomery County already offers too many affordable housing options which is why we have a sky rocket of illegal aliens attending our schools.

What do you find LOL-ish about income segregation?

Because I don't believe that middle class families who pay for college, then working hard to pay off student loans, while getting taxed up to their eyeballs should pay a full mortgage for the same new house a poor family gets for pennies - just to make you feel better about income segregation. There are people making 100k who can't afford to live in Fallsgrove or Kings Farm, yet we have families making $30K living in brand new town homes. Why not just make an entire condo building with bare bones basics on a cheap lot that houses a lot more poor people? Why? Because there is no middle or upper middle class families paying for it - and no builder will do it if they can't fudge the numbers by overcharging the rest paying full freight. Oh, an no income segregation. How about we build some mansions in SE to help with income segregation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Income segregation?? Please stop.

Montgomery County already offers too many affordable housing options which is why we have a sky rocket of illegal aliens attending our schools.

What do you find LOL-ish about income segregation?

Because I don't believe that middle class families who pay for college, then working hard to pay off student loans, while getting taxed up to their eyeballs should pay a full mortgage for the same new house a poor family gets for pennies - just to make you feel better about income segregation. There are people making 100k who can't afford to live in Fallsgrove or Kings Farm, yet we have families making $30K living in brand new town homes. Why not just make an entire condo building with bare bones basics on a cheap lot that houses a lot more poor people? Why? Because there is no middle or upper middle class families paying for it - and no builder will do it if they can't fudge the numbers by overcharging the rest paying full freight. Oh, an no income segregation. How about we build some mansions in SE to help with income segregation?

I see -- it's not that you think income segregation is funny, or doesn't exist. It's that you think it's actually a good thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Agree. Why don't you all move this topic to Whitman, Wootton, and Churchill clusters since they have minimal FARMS in the entire cluster including middle and high school. RM cluster is very diverse and you are all losing your damn minds because for 6 years of school, some of the ES cluster schools have more FARMS than others. They will all be in the same darn middle and high school. Let the kids go to school closest to them and their neighbors and community. Don't break up Twinbrook after they asked you not to. Don't let kids continue to get bussed further away and not even feel a part of something. Not quite neighborly with kids going to other schools and not quite school friendly as they aren't anywhere near it. This cluster will be a massive joke if we have a school bus system all over the the city of Rockville for an already diverse high school.

For what it's worth, I've also posted on this topic on threads about Bethesda and Potomac.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Income segregation?? Please stop.

Montgomery County already offers too many affordable housing options which is why we have a sky rocket of illegal aliens attending our schools.

What do you find LOL-ish about income segregation?

Because I don't believe that middle class families who pay for college, then working hard to pay off student loans, while getting taxed up to their eyeballs should pay a full mortgage for the same new house a poor family gets for pennies - just to make you feel better about income segregation. There are people making 100k who can't afford to live in Fallsgrove or Kings Farm, yet we have families making $30K living in brand new town homes. Why not just make an entire condo building with bare bones basics on a cheap lot that houses a lot more poor people? Why? Because there is no middle or upper middle class families paying for it - and no builder will do it if they can't fudge the numbers by overcharging the rest paying full freight. Oh, an no income segregation. How about we build some mansions in SE to help with income segregation?

That's called gentrification. It's happening all over DC. It pushes lower income people out of their homes and neighborhoods. That's why not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Income segregation?? Please stop.

Montgomery County already offers too many affordable housing options which is why we have a sky rocket of illegal aliens attending our schools.

What do you find LOL-ish about income segregation?

Because I don't believe that middle class families who pay for college, then working hard to pay off student loans, while getting taxed up to their eyeballs should pay a full mortgage for the same new house a poor family gets for pennies - just to make you feel better about income segregation. There are people making 100k who can't afford to live in Fallsgrove or Kings Farm, yet we have families making $30K living in brand new town homes. Why not just make an entire condo building with bare bones basics on a cheap lot that houses a lot more poor people? Why? Because there is no middle or upper middle class families paying for it - and no builder will do it if they can't fudge the numbers by overcharging the rest paying full freight. Oh, an no income segregation. How about we build some mansions in SE to help with income segregation?

I see -- it's not that you think income segregation is funny, or doesn't exist. It's that you think it's actually a good thing.

Yes, it is a good thing. Do you think people that didn't graduate from high school deserve the same house in the same neighborhood as someone with a PHD, paid for by the PHD taxes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Because I don't believe that middle class families who pay for college, then working hard to pay off student loans, while getting taxed up to their eyeballs should pay a full mortgage for the same new house a poor family gets for pennies - just to make you feel better about income segregation. There are people making 100k who can't afford to live in Fallsgrove or Kings Farm, yet we have families making $30K living in brand new town homes. Why not just make an entire condo building with bare bones basics on a cheap lot that houses a lot more poor people? Why? Because there is no middle or upper middle class families paying for it - and no builder will do it if they can't fudge the numbers by overcharging the rest paying full freight. Oh, an no income segregation. How about we build some mansions in SE to help with income segregation?

I see -- it's not that you think income segregation is funny, or doesn't exist. It's that you think it's actually a good thing.

Yes, it is a good thing. Do you think people that didn't graduate from high school deserve the same house in the same neighborhood as someone with a PHD, paid for by the PHD taxes?

I don't think that people with PhDs deserve to live in neighborhoods without poor people in them (though they might like to). Do you?

I don't think that people who didn't graduate from high school deserve to live in inadequate housing. Do you?

However, if it's the government regulation that you object to, then I think there's a solution we can both support -- end exclusionary zoning and let the market decide.

https://tcf.org/content/facts/understanding-exclusionary-zoning-impact-concentrated-poverty/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Income segregation?? Please stop.

Montgomery County already offers too many affordable housing options which is why we have a sky rocket of illegal aliens attending our schools.

What do you find LOL-ish about income segregation?

Because I don't believe that middle class families who pay for college, then working hard to pay off student loans, while getting taxed up to their eyeballs should pay a full mortgage for the same new house a poor family gets for pennies - just to make you feel better about income segregation. There are people making 100k who can't afford to live in Fallsgrove or Kings Farm, yet we have families making $30K living in brand new town homes. Why not just make an entire condo building with bare bones basics on a cheap lot that houses a lot more poor people? Why? Because there is no middle or upper middle class families paying for it - and no builder will do it if they can't fudge the numbers by overcharging the rest paying full freight. Oh, an no income segregation. How about we build some mansions in SE to help with income segregation?

I see -- it's not that you think income segregation is funny, or doesn't exist. It's that you think it's actually a good thing.

Okay Bernie. Socialism can not work in America. We have enough greedy and lazy people as it is. Let's not disincentivize hard work even more than we have.

I am guessing you are the same type of people who believe it is okay to pay an EMT $15 an hour for saving your life and now raise the minimum wage for flipping burgers to that same payscale. Right? Because all of a sudden we have a flock of poor immigrants coming to our country and flipping burgers is now a full time job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Income segregation?? Please stop.

Montgomery County already offers too many affordable housing options which is why we have a sky rocket of illegal aliens attending our schools.

What do you find LOL-ish about income segregation?

Are you saying people of all income levels should live on the same street together? What exactly is your income segregation issues. People with more money buy bigger houses in nicer neighborhoods. People upgrade homes as they make more money. Are they not allowed to do this unless their is HUD housing every other house? This does not make any sense. I am middle class and have no desire to live in a posh wealthy neighborhood, nor do I want to live in the slums.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Income segregation?? Please stop.

Montgomery County already offers too many affordable housing options which is why we have a sky rocket of illegal aliens attending our schools.

What do you find LOL-ish about income segregation?

Are you saying people of all income levels should live on the same street together? What exactly is your income segregation issues. People with more money buy bigger houses in nicer neighborhoods. People upgrade homes as they make more money. Are they not allowed to do this unless their is HUD housing every other house? This does not make any sense. I am middle class and have no desire to live in a posh wealthy neighborhood, nor do I want to live in the slums.

Nobody is talking about "HUD housing", whatever you mean by it. What do you mean by it?

But yes, income segregation is where rich people live in this area, and affluent people live in that area, and poor people live in the other area.

Probably there are very few people who want to live in slums.

I don't understand what is shocking about the idea of the same area having people of different income levels living in it? Historically that's been the pattern, and it's still the pattern in much of the world. It's even the pattern in some parts of Montgomery County! It's not some new, radical, socialist idea.

[Anonymous]

Well Montgomery County used to be a place that city dwellers who wanted a suburb house and commute to work, would go. Most, if not all of the neighborhoods up until the 80's were built single family homes. That is how the county was. There wasn't a need for many apartments and certainly no need for condos or high rises. Smaller modestly priced rancher homes in Silver Spring, Rockville, Bethesda, Wheaton, etc.. were very nice options.

Just because the county has turned into a sanctuary county, should not mean these types of neighborhoods need to start building MPDU within existing homes or tearing them down. The fact that someone keeps posting that is insane. We don't have to make Montgomery County more affordable. There are plenty of affordable locations and if not here, plenty in Frederick, Howard, or anywhere else. MC is the land of handouts which is why we are on the massive decline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well Montgomery County used to be a place that city dwellers who wanted a suburb house and commute to work, would go. Most, if not all of the neighborhoods up until the 80's were built single family homes. That is how the county was. There wasn't a need for many apartments and certainly no need for condos or high rises. Smaller modestly priced rancher homes in Silver Spring, Rockville, Bethesda, Wheaton, etc.. were very nice options.

Just because the county has turned into a sanctuary county, should not mean these types of neighborhoods need to start building MPDU within existing homes or tearing them down. The fact that someone keeps posting that is insane. We don't have to make Montgomery County more affordable. There are plenty of affordable locations and if not here, plenty in Frederick, Howard, or anywhere else. MC is the land of handouts which is why we are on the massive decline.

It's 2017 though, not 1970. There are plenty of people who don't want a single-family-detached house. It's good for people to have housing options. It's not good for Montgomery County to take the position that people who don't want to live in single-family-detached houses should move elsewhere.

Also, Montgomery County has had an MPDU program since 1973.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well Montgomery County used to be a place that city dwellers who wanted a suburb house and commute to work, would go. Most, if not all of the neighborhoods up until the 80's were built single family homes. That is how the county was. There wasn't a need for many apartments and certainly no need for condos or high rises. Smaller modestly priced rancher homes in Silver Spring, Rockville, Bethesda, Wheaton, etc.. were very nice options.

Just because the county has turned into a sanctuary county, should not mean these types of neighborhoods need to start building MPDU within existing homes or tearing them down. The fact that someone keeps posting that is insane. We don't have to make Montgomery County more affordable. There are plenty of affordable locations and if not here, plenty in Frederick, Howard, or anywhere else. MC is the land of handouts which is why we are on the massive decline.

It's 2017 though, not 1970. There are plenty of people who don't want a single-family-detached house. It's good for people to have housing options. It's not good for Montgomery County to take the position that people who don't want to live in single-family-detached houses should move elsewhere.

Also, Montgomery County has had an MPDU program since 1973.

But all the neighborhoods you are all mentioned were built prior to 1973! Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, College Gardens, etc..

The new condos, apartments, developments, etc... have the low income housing. Asking older single family home neighborhoods to suddenly become low income to increase FARMS rates will never ever happen. That is why certain schools have certain FARMS levels and others do not.