Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well Montgomery County used to be a place that city dwellers who wanted a suburb house and commute to work, would go. Most, if not all of the neighborhoods up until the 80's were built single family homes. That is how the county was. There wasn't a need for many apartments and certainly no need for condos or high rises. Smaller modestly priced rancher homes in Silver Spring, Rockville, Bethesda, Wheaton, etc.. were very nice options.

Just because the county has turned into a sanctuary county, should not mean these types of neighborhoods need to start building MPDU within existing homes or tearing them down. The fact that someone keeps posting that is insane. We don't have to make Montgomery County more affordable. There are plenty of affordable locations and if not here, plenty in Frederick, Howard, or anywhere else. MC is the land of handouts which is why we are on the massive decline.

It's 2017 though, not 1970. There are plenty of people who don't want a single-family-detached house. It's good for people to have housing options. It's not good for Montgomery County to take the position that people who don't want to live in single-family-detached houses should move elsewhere.

Also, Montgomery County has had an MPDU program since 1973.

But all the neighborhoods you are all mentioned were built prior to 1973! Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, College Gardens, etc..

The new condos, apartments, developments, etc... have the low income housing. Asking older single family home neighborhoods to suddenly become low income to increase FARMS rates will never ever happen. That is why certain schools have certain FARMS levels and others do not.

Not quite... Potomac Woods predates 1973 largely, as does College Gardens. However, Horizon Hill was built after 1973.

[Anonymous]

Let this go people. There will be no low income housing built in Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, Fallsmeade, Copenhaver, Montgomery Square, etc...

Grasping at straws for nothing. Stupid debate. Let.it.go

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

But all the neighborhoods you are all mentioned were built prior to 1973! Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, College Gardens, etc..

The new condos, apartments, developments, etc... have the low income housing. Asking older single family home neighborhoods to suddenly become low income to increase FARMS rates will never ever happen. That is why certain schools have certain FARMS levels and others do not.

Nobody is asking neighborhoods to become low-income. (Note, though, that there are plenty of neighborhoods of older single-family-detached houses in Montgomery County that have become low-income, and not because anybody asked, either.) The question is, what can we do so that areas -- and schools -- do not exclude low-income people?

I agree that it's politically highly unlikely that Montgomery County will enact policies that integrate the older, affluent neighborhoods of western Montgomery County. The issue is still worth bringing up, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But all the neighborhoods you are all mentioned were built prior to 1973! Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, College Gardens, etc..

The new condos, apartments, developments, etc... have the low income housing. Asking older single family home neighborhoods to suddenly become low income to increase FARMS rates will never ever happen. That is why certain schools have certain FARMS levels and others do not.

Nobody is asking neighborhoods to become low-income. (Note, though, that there are plenty of neighborhoods of older single-family-detached houses in Montgomery County that have become low-income, and not because anybody asked, either.) The question is, what can we do so that areas -- and schools -- do not exclude low-income people?

I agree that it's politically highly unlikely that Montgomery County will enact policies that integrate the older, affluent neighborhoods of western Montgomery County. The issue is still worth bringing up, though.

No it isn't PP. The issue is a complete waste of time.

You ask, what can we do to not exclude low-income people from living anywhere and everywhere? Have them make more money. That is how we moved from an apartment, bought a condo, used equity to buy a townhouse after we got married. Then 5 years later after saving and making more money we bought a modest single family home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No it isn't PP. The issue is a complete waste of time.

You ask, what can we do to not exclude low-income people from living anywhere and everywhere? Have them make more money. That is how we moved from an apartment, bought a condo, used equity to buy a townhouse after we got married. Then 5 years later after saving and making more money we bought a modest single family home.

"Poor people should make more money!" is advice, not a policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well Montgomery County used to be a place that city dwellers who wanted a suburb house and commute to work, would go. Most, if not all of the neighborhoods up until the 80's were built single family homes. That is how the county was. There wasn't a need for many apartments and certainly no need for condos or high rises. Smaller modestly priced rancher homes in Silver Spring, Rockville, Bethesda, Wheaton, etc.. were very nice options.

Just because the county has turned into a sanctuary county, should not mean these types of neighborhoods need to start building MPDU within existing homes or tearing them down. The fact that someone keeps posting that is insane. We don't have to make Montgomery County more affordable. There are plenty of affordable locations and if not here, plenty in Frederick, Howard, or anywhere else. MC is the land of handouts which is why we are on the massive decline.

It's 2017 though, not 1970. There are plenty of people who don't want a single-family-detached house. It's good for people to have housing options. It's not good for Montgomery County to take the position that people who don't want to live in single-family-detached houses should move elsewhere.

Also, Montgomery County has had an MPDU program since 1973.

But all the neighborhoods you are all mentioned were built prior to 1973! Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, College Gardens, etc..

The new condos, apartments, developments, etc... have the low income housing. Asking older single family home neighborhoods to suddenly become low income to increase FARMS rates will never ever happen. That is why certain schools have certain FARMS levels and others do not.

Not quite... Potomac Woods predates 1973 largely, as does College Gardens. However, Horizon Hill was built after 1973.

by like 2 or 3 years. Our HH house was built in 1976.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well Montgomery County used to be a place that city dwellers who wanted a suburb house and commute to work, would go. Most, if not all of the neighborhoods up until the 80's were built single family homes. That is how the county was. There wasn't a need for many apartments and certainly no need for condos or high rises. Smaller modestly priced rancher homes in Silver Spring, Rockville, Bethesda, Wheaton, etc.. were very nice options.

Just because the county has turned into a sanctuary county, should not mean these types of neighborhoods need to start building MPDU within existing homes or tearing them down. The fact that someone keeps posting that is insane. We don't have to make Montgomery County more affordable. There are plenty of affordable locations and if not here, plenty in Frederick, Howard, or anywhere else. MC is the land of handouts which is why we are on the massive decline.

It's 2017 though, not 1970. There are plenty of people who don't want a single-family-detached house. It's good for people to have housing options. It's not good for Montgomery County to take the position that people who don't want to live in single-family-detached houses should move elsewhere.

Also, Montgomery County has had an MPDU program since 1973.

But all the neighborhoods you are all mentioned were built prior to 1973! Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, College Gardens, etc..

The new condos, apartments, developments, etc... have the low income housing. Asking older single family home neighborhoods to suddenly become low income to increase FARMS rates will never ever happen. That is why certain schools have certain FARMS levels and others do not.

Not quite... Potomac Woods predates 1973 largely, as does College Gardens. However, Horizon Hill was built after 1973.

by like 2 or 3 years. Our HH house was built in 1976.

I am the PP and also live in HH. My house was also built in 1976. Most of the houses were built 1974-1978 I believe.

[Anonymous]

Potomac Woods homes were built in the 60s. My Potomac Woods house is from 1963.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Potomac Woods homes were built in the 60s. My Potomac Woods house is from 1963.

totally off topic, but is that why some homes around there have no garages? I thought it was weird how these pricier homes have no garages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Potomac Woods homes were built in the 60s. My Potomac Woods house is from 1963.

totally off topic, but is that why some homes around there have no garages? I thought it was weird how these pricier homes have no garages.

Garages were much more of a thing in the 1970s. In the 1960s, houses generally had no garage or a one-car garage. Potomac Woods was built in the 1960s, so houses there have a one-car garage or no garage at all for the most part. I personally believe that the advent of the home having two income earners (two workers = two drivers) brought on homes being built with 2-car garages. Now, many new homes have 3-car garages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

But all the neighborhoods you are all mentioned were built prior to 1973! Potomac Woods, Horizon Hill, College Gardens, etc..

The new condos, apartments, developments, etc... have the low income housing. Asking older single family home neighborhoods to suddenly become low income to increase FARMS rates will never ever happen. That is why certain schools have certain FARMS levels and others do not.

Nobody is asking neighborhoods to become low-income. (Note, though, that there are plenty of neighborhoods of older single-family-detached houses in Montgomery County that have become low-income, and not because anybody asked, either.) The question is, what can we do so that areas -- and schools -- do not exclude low-income people?

I agree that it's politically highly unlikely that Montgomery County will enact policies that integrate the older, affluent neighborhoods of western Montgomery County. The issue is still worth bringing up, though.

No it isn't PP. The issue is a complete waste of time.

You ask, what can we do to not exclude low-income people from living anywhere and everywhere? Have them make more money. That is how we moved from an apartment, bought a condo, used equity to buy a townhouse after we got married. Then 5 years later after saving and making more money we bought a modest single family home.

Agree. This issue is not worth bringing up because it will never happen for multiple reasons. Zoning and land use being the number one. It is really absurd.

[Anonymous]

Latest BOE alternatives posted:

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/RMES5_BOEAdoptedAlternatives11092017.pdf

WOW the last one is absurd--obviously it's an option to balance fully the FARMS rates, but it is such a horrible bussing mess.

[Anonymous]

Also a piece on Bethesda Beat, here: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/Rockville-Residents-Want-Lower-Student-Poverty-Levels-When-Elementary-School-Opens-Next-Year/

[Anonymous]

The last one is indeed absurd, why take the farthest part of RP, and 40% FARMS? Is there no other way to make this 20-25%?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The last one is indeed absurd, why take the farthest part of RP, and 40% FARMS? Is there no other way to make this 20-25%?

It's worse than that. In option 3, the Twinbrook neighborhood is completely split up. Part goes to RMES#5, part to Ritchie Park, part to Twinbrook, and part to College Gardens.