FCPS investigating alleged instances of staff arranging abortions for students

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Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

A full week off after a D&C? Or after a D&E?

I've had multiple D&Cs due to endometrial polyps, uterine infection, and other uterine issues. While my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy, it's the same surgical procedure as a D&C in early pregnancy. I was fine within 2-8 hours. To be fair, I had no emotional recovery since my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy.

I also had a D&E in mid-second trimester of pregnancy after my baby died in utero and I developed an infection. That was a slightly more involved procedure because my cervix had to be more dilated in order to extract my baby who was almost as large as a can of soda. Even then, I was physically okay within 24 hours. The emotional recovery is of course much more prolonged in that situation.

[Anonymous]

The cynic would postulate that they would perform this sort of questionable actions for the Hispanic ESOL girls but not the white students whose parents would call lawyers!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The cynic would postulate that they would perform this sort of questionable actions for the Hispanic ESOL girls but not the white students whose parents would call lawyers!

The guardian was an "uncle."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

A full week off after a D&C? Or after a D&E?

I've had multiple D&Cs due to endometrial polyps, uterine infection, and other uterine issues. While my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy, it's the same surgical procedure as a D&C in early pregnancy. I was fine within 2-8 hours. To be fair, I had no emotional recovery since my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy.

I also had a D&E in mid-second trimester of pregnancy after my baby died in utero and I developed an infection. That was a slightly more involved procedure because my cervix had to be more dilated in order to extract my baby who was almost as large as a can of soda. Even then, I was physically okay within 24 hours. The emotional recovery is of course much more prolonged in that situation.

The emotional recovery is what I was most concerned about when I read this story because my emotional scars lasted way longer than my bleeding did. FCPS robbed families of being able to support their children through this. What sort of support did FCPS provide this girls in the immediate aftermath of the abortions? How about the week after? The next month? The next year? Which teacher was checking in on these girls to make sure they were ok?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

A full week off after a D&C? Or after a D&E?

I've had multiple D&Cs due to endometrial polyps, uterine infection, and other uterine issues. While my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy, it's the same surgical procedure as a D&C in early pregnancy. I was fine within 2-8 hours. To be fair, I had no emotional recovery since my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy.

I also had a D&E in mid-second trimester of pregnancy after my baby died in utero and I developed an infection. That was a slightly more involved procedure because my cervix had to be more dilated in order to extract my baby who was almost as large as a can of soda. Even then, I was physically okay within 24 hours. The emotional recovery is of course much more prolonged in that situation.

The emotional recovery is what I was most concerned about when I read this story because my emotional scars lasted way longer than my bleeding did. FCPS robbed families of being able to support their children through this. What sort of support did FCPS provide this girls in the immediate aftermath of the abortions? How about the week after? The next month? The next year? Which teacher was checking in on these girls to make sure they were ok?

Do the girls lack agency? This is what they chose. A parent has no right to give support to a 17 year old who doesn't want it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cynic would postulate that they would perform this sort of questionable actions for the Hispanic ESOL girls but not the white students whose parents would call lawyers!

The guardian was an "uncle."

Why is uncle in quotes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

A full week off after a D&C? Or after a D&E?

I've had multiple D&Cs due to endometrial polyps, uterine infection, and other uterine issues. While my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy, it's the same surgical procedure as a D&C in early pregnancy. I was fine within 2-8 hours. To be fair, I had no emotional recovery since my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy.

I also had a D&E in mid-second trimester of pregnancy after my baby died in utero and I developed an infection. That was a slightly more involved procedure because my cervix had to be more dilated in order to extract my baby who was almost as large as a can of soda. Even then, I was physically okay within 24 hours. The emotional recovery is of course much more prolonged in that situation.

The emotional recovery is what I was most concerned about when I read this story because my emotional scars lasted way longer than my bleeding did. FCPS robbed families of being able to support their children through this. What sort of support did FCPS provide this girls in the immediate aftermath of the abortions? How about the week after? The next month? The next year? Which teacher was checking in on these girls to make sure they were ok?

Do the girls lack agency? This is what they chose. A parent has no right to give support to a 17 year old who doesn't want it.

A 17 year old is still a child. A parent has every right to support their child - I would argue that is their ROLE as a parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cynic would postulate that they would perform this sort of questionable actions for the Hispanic ESOL girls but not the white students whose parents would call lawyers!

The guardian was an "uncle."

Why is uncle in quotes?

There was almost no vetting done on guardians for unaccompanied minors. There was a report on that today.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The cynic would postulate that they would perform this sort of questionable actions for the Hispanic ESOL girls but not the white students whose parents would call lawyers!

The guardian was an "uncle."

Why is uncle in quotes?

There was almost no vetting done on guardians for unaccompanied minors. There was a report on that today.

In this particular case or in general?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

Wait, wait, wait, are you saying that FCPS was giving abortions to Hispanic students but would not have done the same for white kids? Effectively this would mean that FCPS is practicing eugenics???

Actually, you are the one saying whatever it is you are saying…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The cynic would postulate that they would perform this sort of questionable actions for the Hispanic ESOL girls but not the white students whose parents would call lawyers!

The guardian was an "uncle."

Why is uncle in quotes?

There was almost no vetting done on guardians for unaccompanied minors. There was a report on that today.

In this particular case or in general?

In general. Tens of thousands were not vetted. I am not saying this is the case here. However, we know that it has been abused by human traffickers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Will people stop saying that this is some GOP plot! There are FCPS and State rules and regulations having to do with this kind of issue and they do not include transporting a kid to a clinic. What is also horrific is the reported retaliation to the whistleblowers.

Amen.

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Unreal that any issue which paints this school system in a bad light is somehow a "GOP plot".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

A full week off after a D&C? Or after a D&E?

I've had multiple D&Cs due to endometrial polyps, uterine infection, and other uterine issues. While my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy, it's the same surgical procedure as a D&C in early pregnancy. I was fine within 2-8 hours. To be fair, I had no emotional recovery since my D&Cs were not related to pregnancy.

I also had a D&E in mid-second trimester of pregnancy after my baby died in utero and I developed an infection. That was a slightly more involved procedure because my cervix had to be more dilated in order to extract my baby who was almost as large as a can of soda. Even then, I was physically okay within 24 hours. The emotional recovery is of course much more prolonged in that situation.

The emotional recovery is what I was most concerned about when I read this story because my emotional scars lasted way longer than my bleeding did. FCPS robbed families of being able to support their children through this. What sort of support did FCPS provide this girls in the immediate aftermath of the abortions? How about the week after? The next month? The next year? Which teacher was checking in on these girls to make sure they were ok?

Do the girls lack agency? This is what they chose. A parent has no right to give support to a 17 year old who doesn't want it.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

Yikes. Must have been a D&E with complications. I had an abortion for a missed miscarriage and it was not big deal at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

Yikes. Must have been a D&E with complications. I had an abortion for a missed miscarriage and it was not big deal at all.

A 30 year old woman having a missed miscarriage at 6 weeks and not really caring is a lot different than a 17 year old CHILD being coerced to get an abortion at 5 months pregnant.

It is very much a “big deal”.