FCPS investigating alleged instances of staff arranging abortions for students

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Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

Yikes. Must have been a D&E with complications. I had an abortion for a missed miscarriage and it was not big deal at all.

A 30 year old woman having a missed miscarriage at 6 weeks and not really caring is a lot different than a 17 year old CHILD being coerced to get an abortion at 5 months pregnant.

It is very much a “big deal”.

Agree. But, I think in this case, the girl did have the baby. But, if she was indeed pressured to have an abortion by the School social worker, that is quite disturbing.

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Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

Seems like a big decision. Probably should contact the parents or guardians. No big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

Interesting that extracting a tooth seems more complicated and risky than what you describe and abortion entails.

I know women who are settled and happily married, but were not able to have children after having had an abortion when young. The amount of sorrow, regret, and self blame is indescribable. I also know of women who after having aborted a child find it difficult to bond with their first born baby. I know of women who went into deep depression following an abortion. I have yet to know anyone who went on with their lives as if nothing had happened.

And, while there are women who have successfully given birth after having had abortions, there are others whose physical scars make it challenging to do so, and many others whose scars are not physically visible but last a lifetime.

FCPS may not be aware, but there are other options to abortion, such as programs that successfully help pregnant teens through high school and beyond, or even placing the baby for adoption. Instead, FCPS has usurped the parental role by taking upon themselves to act as an influential agent over a minor who is undergoing a very vulnerable moment and is about to make a life altering decision which consequences will last long after they will have left the system. Unfortunately, the only choice they seem to have given these young girls is to abort their babies, and they allegedly even acted on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

Seems like a big decision. Probably should contact the parents or guardians. No big deal.

Seems like if FCPS is going to provide free abortions they also should provide free birth control.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

Yikes. Must have been a D&E with complications. I had an abortion for a missed miscarriage and it was not big deal at all.

A 30 year old woman having a missed miscarriage at 6 weeks and not really caring is a lot different than a 17 year old CHILD being coerced to get an abortion at 5 months pregnant.

It is very much a “big deal”.

“Coerced”? Liar.

I was responding to the comment above that called it “major surgery” requiring a week off of work. It is not for the vast majority of abortions, including mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

I think you are minimizing the emotional damage. You don't have to "suffer from preexisting mental illness" to experience grief or depression after an abortion. Believe it or not some people really do struggle with their decision afterwards. It is infinitely helpful to have a family at home to support you - which in this case was denied due to actions by FCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When someone I know had an abortion, it definitely was major surgery. She needed a full week off from work afterwards.

It really depends on the situation, but I doubt too many people feel just fine afterwards.

Abortion is not a “normal” thing.

Yikes. Must have been a D&E with complications. I had an abortion for a missed miscarriage and it was not big deal at all.

A 30 year old woman having a missed miscarriage at 6 weeks and not really caring is a lot different than a 17 year old CHILD being coerced to get an abortion at 5 months pregnant.

It is very much a “big deal”.

“Coerced”? Liar.

I was responding to the comment above that called it “major surgery” requiring a week off of work. It is not for the vast majority of abortions, including mine.

I'm not the pp you are responding to.

Why are you calling pp a "liar" for using the word "coerced?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

I think you are minimizing the emotional damage. You don't have to "suffer from preexisting mental illness" to experience grief or depression after an abortion. Believe it or not some people really do struggle with their decision afterwards. It is infinitely helpful to have a family at home to support you - which in this case was denied due to actions by FCPS.

Agree. Accountability is ESSENTIAL here.

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Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

Interesting that extracting a tooth seems more complicated and risky than what you describe and abortion entails.

I know women who are settled and happily married, but were not able to have children after having had an abortion when young. The amount of sorrow, regret, and self blame is indescribable. I also know of women who after having aborted a child find it difficult to bond with their first born baby. I know of women who went into deep depression following an abortion. I have yet to know anyone who went on with their lives as if nothing had happened.

And, while there are women who have successfully given birth after having had abortions, there are others whose physical scars make it challenging to do so, and many others whose scars are not physically visible but last a lifetime.

FCPS may not be aware, but there are other options to abortion, such as programs that successfully help pregnant teens through high school and beyond, or even placing the baby for adoption. Instead, FCPS has usurped the parental role by taking upon themselves to act as an influential agent over a minor who is undergoing a very vulnerable moment and is about to make a life altering decision which consequences will last long after they will have left the system. Unfortunately, the only choice they seem to have given these young girls is to abort their babies, and they allegedly even acted on it.

I'm only going to say this once. Abortion is a very safe medical procedure, much safer than childbirth. People aren't dying from abortions anymore, and they aren't losing their fertility because of it.

Of this infertility that you speak of, it's not that difficult to figure out; abortion isn't to blame. It's the years of unprotected sex, early, often, and with partners who have had sex with other people, which is most people these days. It takes only one STD that goes untreated. Let's say you catch a case of, oh, I don't know, chlamydia, don't know you have it, and if you end up on an abortion clinic it's safe to assume you aren't practicing safe sex, condoms work wonders, but oh well, way leads onto way and don't treat it, guess what, it goes away. Poof, it's like you never had it, but only now your tubes are blocked, and they can't be unblocked, and then by the time you figure out what is going on, your optimal years are behind you, your tubes are wrecked, and you are dropping big money on IVF.

You want to blame abortion for infertility; that's nonsense. Blame delaying childbirth, blame untreated STDs, but only an idiot blames abortion, sure it sounds better to blame that abortion instead of I was stupid to trust my DH or boyfriend who loves me oh so much, he would never catch an STD and forget to tell me or not get himself tested, or I'm in a marriage I don't need to be screened regularly for STDs. Meanwhile, the man that you trust so much because you share value systems has a walking case of untreated VD, and he gave you an STD.

Or maybe you slept with a lot of guys in your youth, you had a green cervix, and really should have been using a condom, because having sex before your cervix is ripe leads to all kinds of issues. Issues that don't necessarily crop up until you are an adult, mature woman trying to get pregnant, but sadly green cervix and all you were too insecure to insist on 100% condom use, you caught a raging case of X STD, and now your tubes are blocked, and you can't get pregnant. Sure, blame the abortion you had 20 years ago. And not the fact that choices your made in your youth are coming back to bite you 20 years later. That's heavy, I get it, It's so much easier, and feels better to blame some voodoo abortion doctor than to just admit that you were careless with your own or your partner was careless with your sexual health.

Or maybe you got pregnant easily when you were young, but now PCOS has wreaked havoc on your reproductive organs. Let's be real, living itself can and does lead to infertility; the longer you live, the more damage you do. And that has nothing to do with abortion.

Or maybe you're just pro-life and trot out all kinds of stupid reasons to say abortion is gonna wreck your life. That must be it because no one could be so woefully ignorant of the female reproductive system.

Abortion is safe and legal in Virginia. This social media sensationalized story is pure BS.

[Anonymous]

So, 16:14 just gave us the Planned Parenthood of Virginia response.

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Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

I think you are minimizing the emotional damage. You don't have to "suffer from preexisting mental illness" to experience grief or depression after an abortion. Believe it or not some people really do struggle with their decision afterwards. It is infinitely helpful to have a family at home to support you - which in this case was denied due to actions by FCPS.

Agree. Accountability is ESSENTIAL here.

I'd put money on the being 17 and having a baby you can't support will make you way more depressed than any medical procedure ever will. Ever heard of post-partum depression, yeah that's serious, really serious, people die from that and guess what there is only one way to get it and that's by having a baby.

Most people don't suffer depression afterwards. I don't know that girl, but if she was able to walk across that stage with her peers and get her diploma, go to her prom and make unhindered plans for her future then there is a pretty good chance she was too anticipating the next stage of her life, and wasn't sitting at home in a puddle of tears regretting her decision to end an unwanted pregnancy.

Being up all night feeding and changing a screaming baby, would be pretty darn depressing for any 17 year old I know. Young people are resilient when it comes to temporary set backs, which an unplanned pregnancy that ends in termination is. A temporary set back. You feel your feels and then life goes on. Babies aren't temporary they are a lot of work and responsibility.

Any lingering emotions pale in comparison to the depression she would have felt being up all night feeding and changing a baby, poopy, vomitous infant.

If you are pro-life you are pro-life but enough with the abortion is going to wreck your life nonsense. For most people there are no negatives to it, if you are fragile enough to crack up after an abortion, guess what the baby would have pushed you way over the edge, in that scenario, there is the real possibility for tragedy. Abortions aren't tragic they are a safe and finite medical procedure.

[Anonymous]

Why am I getting Comet Pizza and sex dungeon vibes here?

Just to get this straight, FCPS was bankrolling clandestine abortions in the basement, and all of this occurred during the stay-at-home, no school in session pandemic?

Right, right, got you.

Where is that Comet Pizza guy anyway? Maybe Youngkin can get him on the case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The most serious charge isn't getting as much attention, that one of the two girls did not want the abortion and that she was coerced.

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-32.2/

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ABORTION IS MAJOR SURGERY.

No, it is not. In many cases it is not even surgery at all; it is medicine. For *surgical* first trimester abortions, it is a minor procedure. It does not typically involve anesthesia beyond twilight sedation. A colonoscopy is more involved, requiring general anesthesia typically. A root canal takes 10 times as long. I've known women to go back to work that afternoon; not comfortably or ideally, as there is some bleeding/discharge afterward typically, but it's doable. It's not major surgery by any stretch.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to have one without me knowing...but if my stepchild who is all grown now did not feel like she could come to me or her mom or dad in HS when she got pregnant, I would be very grateful for the kindness and care of a trusted, safe adult who could help her through it. I would be grateful she was not totally alone and that there was a dedicated enough school staff member who'd go out of her way to help.

The girl was 5 months pregnant. I’ve had a d&e at 5 months. It is major surgery and required general anesthesia and follow up appointments. You just don’t know what you’re talking about.

I was responding to a general comment that said, "Abortion is major surgery." In general, no, it is not.

Even terminations at 5 months are generally not major surgery. They are still done mostly in outpatient settings, sometimes over several days. But no, still not major cutting. Yes, discomfort and bleeding, but not major abdominal incisions or anything. Significantly more complex than a 1st trimester procedure, but still not "major surgery".

Again, I wouldn't want my 17 year old to have this surgery without me knowing. But if judicial bypass allowed it, and if she could not tell me then for whatever reason, I would be infinitely grateful that a trusted adult at school helped her.

Any attempts to minimize the physical and emotional implications of an abortion can’t negate the facts:
Abortion risks include immediate complications like heavy bleeding, infection, and injury to organs, as well as potential long-term risks such as increased risk of future premature births, certain mental health issues, and possible infertility from rare complications like scarring.

Emotional experiences following an abortion vary, and while many individuals feel relief, common emotions also include sadness, guilt, anxiety, and a sense of loss, which are normal responses to a significant life event. For some, there can be prolonged or severe distress, including depression, anxiety, sleep problems, and suicidal thoughts. These negative reactions are often linked to factors like pre-existing mental health issues, inadequate support, or pressure to have the abortion. 

Furthermore, not all parents are willing to outsource to others the decision making process and the material and emotional support their child needs during a crisis of this magnitude. Just because the students were Hispanic whose families weren’t as present as others’ in the students’ lives, it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have gotten the support they needed from their loved ones. It wasn’t for FCPS to usurp the parental role and get involved the way they did.

When abortion was illegal women maimed themselves in order to get relief from unwanted pregnancies, think about that for a moment. They took clothes hangers and shoved them into their vaginas, they threw themselves down steps, they drank poison, put it into their vaginas.

Or they went into back alley clinics and faced even worse horrors and indignities. They were maimed and scared for life.

And for the record this was the case for mostly women without means. If you had connections or wealthy parents, You went to a real doctor, who discretely offered you safe medical care, you didn’t have to butcher yourself or be butchered. The decision was made for you by the adults in the room,
oftentimes under duress, control and coercion. That’s what coercion looked like before abortion was legal.

The others they maimed themselves, bled, died, lost their fertility, they knew the rusks but they did it anyway. These weren’t the safe, statistically risk free, and with anesthesia, pain free procedures they are today.

Today you can go out for burgers afterward and be at the mall picking out your party clothes for that party on Friday.

This is why abortion became legal, so that women without means could get access to safe medical care. People forget because there is no one to remind them.

Is there not a world where you can imagine that others have entirely different lives, motivations, and situations where they might actually feel nothing more than relief. At not feeling pregnant anymore at not having the burden and responsibility for bringing a life into this world that for whatever reason they don’t want to.

Most people don’t suffer from preexisting mental illness, so they don’t sink into depression afterwards, rather they go on with their lives, have many more experiences, lose loved ones that mean the world to them, have hopes die, dreams go unfulfilled, they find joy and live full lives anyway. And that abortion they had at 17 does’t even register as a footnote.

Life is hard enough, growing from a young girl/woman to a mature, successful and responsible adult woman is extra hard. I don’t begrudge anyone who chooses to not do it the extra hard way, and for some, especially those without means, that means doing it with a dependent strapped to their back either emotionally, figuratively or literally.

As for FCPS as forced institutional abortion proponents. I call BS.

I think you are minimizing the emotional damage. You don't have to "suffer from preexisting mental illness" to experience grief or depression after an abortion. Believe it or not some people really do struggle with their decision afterwards. It is infinitely helpful to have a family at home to support you - which in this case was denied due to actions by FCPS.

Agree. Accountability is ESSENTIAL here.

I'd put money on the being 17 and having a baby you can't support will make you way more depressed than any medical procedure ever will. Ever heard of post-partum depression, yeah that's serious, really serious, people die from that and guess what there is only one way to get it and that's by having a baby.

Most people don't suffer depression afterwards. I don't know that girl, but if she was able to walk across that stage with her peers and get her diploma, go to her prom and make unhindered plans for her future then there is a pretty good chance she was too anticipating the next stage of her life, and wasn't sitting at home in a puddle of tears regretting her decision to end an unwanted pregnancy.

Being up all night feeding and changing a screaming baby, would be pretty darn depressing for any 17 year old I know. Young people are resilient when it comes to temporary set backs, which an unplanned pregnancy that ends in termination is. A temporary set back. You feel your feels and then life goes on. Babies aren't temporary they are a lot of work and responsibility.

Any lingering emotions pale in comparison to the depression she would have felt being up all night feeding and changing a baby, poopy, vomitous infant.

If you are pro-life you are pro-life but enough with the abortion is going to wreck your life nonsense. For most people there are no negatives to it, if you are fragile enough to crack up after an abortion, guess what the baby would have pushed you way over the edge, in that scenario, there is the real possibility for tragedy. Abortions aren't tragic they are a safe and finite medical procedure.

The issue is not the abortion. The issue is whether or not the school suggested it and supported it. This is not the role of the school. Period.

And, I support what Clinton said; legal and rare

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why am I getting Comet Pizza and sex dungeon vibes here?

Just to get this straight, FCPS was bankrolling clandestine abortions in the basement, and all of this occurred during the stay-at-home, no school in session pandemic?

Right, right, got you.

Where is that Comet Pizza guy anyway? Maybe Youngkin can get him on the case.

Right, totally made up, just like that whole Russian collusion thing and the pee pee tape that got everyone all worked up.