My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

Be a responsible parent and stop expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for everything.

But this parent and other parents who send their kids to privates should foot the bill so that your kid can enjoy the public school system. Nice!

These kids can come back if/when they can use up a fair share of resources without having a detrimental effect on other kids.

Who determines what a fair share of resources is?

My determination would be different from yours. I certainly don't want my tax dollars footing the bills for parents who want to kick out other children from school. I don't think it's a fair use of my tax dollars. These parents shouldn't be taking any resources other than the money they put into the school system since they don't believe in community working together for all children.

You don't care about all children. You're clearly prioritizing some over others.

It's okay to restrict neurotypical kids' education and threaten their safety. But how dare anyone suggest any sort of restriction be placed on a violent neurodivergent child, you are a monster for even saying it! /s

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

No, I am telling you that while health insurance covers much medical costs, people with chronic or terminal illness are shouldering tens of thousands of medical costs per year. You are not more deserving than them to have your child’s medical expenses passed on to the taxpayer.

And who are you to tell her that?

In this society, we have determined that she is more deserving. If you don't like it, you can leave.

"We" have not decided anything. That dumb law was passed in 2004 and its going to be death of public education as we know it. A generation from now, public schools will just be poor kids and chair throwers because any one who could get out, did. Its shameful.

Oh and political support for public schools will vanish because so few people will actually be using the public schools.

Okay...
Until then, the parents who don't want some children in school can take their own children out.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

Be a responsible parent and stop expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for everything.

But this parent and other parents who send their kids to privates should foot the bill so that your kid can enjoy the public school system. Nice!

These kids can come back if/when they can use up a fair share of resources without having a detrimental effect on other kids.

Who determines what a fair share of resources is?

My determination would be different from yours. I certainly don't want my tax dollars footing the bills for parents who want to kick out other children from school. I don't think it's a fair use of my tax dollars. These parents shouldn't be taking any resources other than the money they put into the school system since they don't believe in community working together for all children.

You don't care about all children. You're clearly prioritizing some over others.

It's okay to restrict neurotypical kids' education and threaten their safety. But how dare anyone suggest any sort of restriction be placed on a violent neurodivergent child, you are a monster for even saying it! /s

I think you are attacking your kind there. 😆

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

No, I am telling you that while health insurance covers much medical costs, people with chronic or terminal illness are shouldering tens of thousands of medical costs per year. You are not more deserving than them to have your child’s medical expenses passed on to the taxpayer.

And who are you to tell her that?

In this society, we have determined that she is more deserving. If you don't like it, you can leave.

"We" have not decided anything. That dumb law was passed in 2004 and its going to be death of public education as we know it. A generation from now, public schools will just be poor kids and chair throwers because any one who could get out, did. Its shameful.

Oh and political support for public schools will vanish because so few people will actually be using the public schools.

Okay...
Until then, the parents who don't want some children in school can take their own children out.

This is accelerating towards a death spiral for public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

No, I am telling you that while health insurance covers much medical costs, people with chronic or terminal illness are shouldering tens of thousands of medical costs per year. You are not more deserving than them to have your child’s medical expenses passed on to the taxpayer.

And who are you to tell her that?

In this society, we have determined that she is more deserving. If you don't like it, you can leave.

"We" have not decided anything. That dumb law was passed in 2004 and its going to be death of public education as we know it. A generation from now, public schools will just be poor kids and chair throwers because any one who could get out, did. Its shameful.

Oh and political support for public schools will vanish because so few people will actually be using the public schools.

Okay...
Until then, the parents who don't want some children in school can take their own children out.

There is going to be a mass exodus from public schools at this rate. It will be only for the violent kids with behavior issues and those without means for better options. People will vote with their feet rather than let their kids be punching bags if they can. You act like it's weird for parents to want their kids to be safe in school. At best you're a little out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

No, I am telling you that while health insurance covers much medical costs, people with chronic or terminal illness are shouldering tens of thousands of medical costs per year. You are not more deserving than them to have your child’s medical expenses passed on to the taxpayer.

And who are you to tell her that?

In this society, we have determined that she is more deserving. If you don't like it, you can leave.

"We" have not decided anything. That dumb law was passed in 2004 and its going to be death of public education as we know it. A generation from now, public schools will just be poor kids and chair throwers because any one who could get out, did. Its shameful.

Oh and political support for public schools will vanish because so few people will actually be using the public schools.

Okay...
Until then, the parents who don't want some children in school can take their own children out.

There is going to be a mass exodus from public schools at this rate. It will be only for the violent kids with behavior issues and those without means for better options. People will vote with their feet rather than let their kids be punching bags if they can. You act like it's weird for parents to want their kids to be safe in school. At best you're a little out of touch.

It's weird to focus on the least effective option, virtual school, when it's not even cheaper.

These are a lazy bunch of people. They could vote by continuously requesting aides and more special classrooms for the children who need them. They will not go anywhere. All they are good at is whining and demonizing 6 year olds.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

Actually, if my kid gets cancer, I can't drop her off at school and tell the school the cancer is their problem because its too expensive for me to solve. If my kid gets sick I'm on my own.

Nonsense. You apparently haven’t heard of Medicaid. If you don’t have private insurance, the government (funded by you and the parents of violent kids too) will help pay for that treatment. And if it’s not satisfactory or the best treatment? Too bad.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

No, I am telling you that while health insurance covers much medical costs, people with chronic or terminal illness are shouldering tens of thousands of medical costs per year. You are not more deserving than them to have your child’s medical expenses passed on to the taxpayer.

And who are you to tell her that?

In this society, we have determined that she is more deserving. If you don't like it, you can leave.

"We" have not decided anything. That dumb law was passed in 2004 and its going to be death of public education as we know it. A generation from now, public schools will just be poor kids and chair throwers because any one who could get out, did. Its shameful.

Oh and political support for public schools will vanish because so few people will actually be using the public schools.

Okay...
Until then, the parents who don't want some children in school can take their own children out.

There is going to be a mass exodus from public schools at this rate. It will be only for the violent kids with behavior issues and those without means for better options. People will vote with their feet rather than let their kids be punching bags if they can. You act like it's weird for parents to want their kids to be safe in school. At best you're a little out of touch.

It's weird to focus on the least effective option, virtual school, when it's not even cheaper.

These are a lazy bunch of people. They could vote by continuously requesting aides and more special classrooms for the children who need them. They will not go anywhere. All they are good at is whining and demonizing 6 year olds.

It's weird to focus on the safety of kids? Do you even have a school aged kid?

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

Actually, if my kid gets cancer, I can't drop her off at school and tell the school the cancer is their problem because it’s too expensive for me to solve. If my kid gets sick I'm on my own.

Well, by law the school still has to help a child with cancer access an education, which can even include something like homebound instruction. Also, there are laws governing health insurance treatment coverage, which generally includes cancer treatment, whereas there is basically no meaningful coverage for neuropsychological disorders like Autism.

Let’s be real. You just don’t like these kids. You don’t simply want them out of your child’s classroom and in a more appropriate learning environment. You just want them out of school and you don’t really give a damn where they end up so long as they’re out of your sight.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

I can’t afford it. The vast majority of people can’t. Full time therapy (like a partial in patient program) can be a hundred thousand dollars private pay, if you can even get a spot. If your family income is that of an average American, say $90k, there is simply no way to make it work. None.

What makes you think the average tax payer can afford to fund it? Also why should they fund your medical bills and not those of parents of children with Cystic Fibrosis or any other hardship?

Are you asking why health insurance should cover health care? Perhaps you’d like to go without yourself? You don’t need that cancer medicine, do you? No chemo for you! Good parents don’t get cancer, after all. They stay healthy so the normal tax payer isn’t inconvenienced!

No, I am telling you that while health insurance covers much medical costs, people with chronic or terminal illness are shouldering tens of thousands of medical costs per year. You are not more deserving than them to have your child’s medical expenses passed on to the taxpayer.

And who are you to tell her that?

In this society, we have determined that she is more deserving. If you don't like it, you can leave.

"We" have not decided anything. That dumb law was passed in 2004 and its going to be death of public education as we know it. A generation from now, public schools will just be poor kids and chair throwers because any one who could get out, did. Its shameful.

Oh and political support for public schools will vanish because so few people will actually be using the public schools.

Okay...
Until then, the parents who don't want some children in school can take their own children out.

There is going to be a mass exodus from public schools at this rate. It will be only for the violent kids with behavior issues and those without means for better options. People will vote with their feet rather than let their kids be punching bags if they can. You act like it's weird for parents to want their kids to be safe in school. At best you're a little out of touch.

It's weird to focus on the least effective option, virtual school, when it's not even cheaper.

These are a lazy bunch of people. They could vote by continuously requesting aides and more special classrooms for the children who need them. They will not go anywhere. All they are good at is whining and demonizing 6 year olds.

I pulled my kid out of public elementary due to the appalling behavior problems.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

This is why it's tricky. I'm a teacher and am frustrated by the chair throwers and their disruption of the classroom as much as anyone, but I have never, ever, in my 26 years of teaching, seen suspensions "work" for kids who are struggling so much emotionally that they're throwing chairs in the classroom. The idea that staying home for a few days (and even further isolating kids who are already generally isolated from peers and adults at school) is going to resolve anything and help them get it together is just not understanding of the issue. These kids need HELP. They need support to build their coping skills, appropriate behaviors, etc. Just suspending them and hoping they magically learn how to control themselves is not setting anyone up for success.

I've never seen suspensions work, either. If anything, the problem behavior often gets worse after the suspension.

Leaving the kids in the classroom to throw chairs while the other students evacuate doesn’t help either and damages their education. If suspensions mean the other kids can learn, then that’s okay. A child who throws furniture should not be in a mainstream classroom.

+1. Why is it okay to put other students in danger, to disrupt other students educations, just in the name of inclusion?

Did you read the thread? No one is saying it’s okay or that these kids should even be included in a mainstream classroom. The answer is better 1:1 supports and/or special ed classrooms with a smaller environment.

All the posters acting like anyone actually thinks this is okay are either dense or entirely insincere.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I have a special needs kid like this

They offered to place him in a Nonverbal autistic class because of his intense behaviors

Or a regular class with no support. My son is at grade level academically. In other to get him the 1:1 support he needs, he needs to fail out of the regular class.

Blame the administration for making this insane system.

And yes, you should press charges if they do something life threatening. The school will be forced to deal with it.

Not sure what district you are in, but FCPS has an emotional disabilities program with self-contained classes for this type of child. It's pretty hard to get into though, and also not necessarily a good place to be. But they have it.

These posts just make it clear the parents of normal kids need to advocate for them. We can be sure the parents of the chair throwers will be advocating for their kids to stay in the class room no matter how bad their behavior is. Like one of the pps said, less empathy is needed here not more.

I’ve never heard of a parent fighting for a LESS restrictive placement. Everyone wants more services, not less. The problem comes in when the schools aren’t forthcoming about the options. Because most parents have no idea what even to ask for or how to go about asking for it in an effective manner. And the schools LOVE to fight about this stuff and will absolutely hire outside counsel to not have to pay to send a kid to an outside placement for kids with behavioral difficulties. It’s extremely daunting to go up against a large school district especially when you’re pretty sure you’re not going to win and the end outcome is going to be you wasted time and $$$ only for them to place your kid right back at the neighborhood school.

Some do, particularly for more profound disabilities. But setting aside private placement, given that’s nearly impossible to get, most parents that I know with kids learning at grade level want their kids to stay in the home school. They don’t want a more restrictive placement— they want more supports in the general education classroom.

But the schools also fight that. Sometimes the schools and principals don’t want to fight for the money. And there are some, like the disgraced former MCPS principal that’s been bashing kids with disabilities in these threads, that simply don’t want to deal with these kids and try to inappropriately ship them off to self-contained programs.

In my child's case, an aide would be much much cheaper than private placement... and we know it works.

Child now has an aide and is totally fine. You don't want to know how hard it is to get there.

Of course it is hard, and it’s not because administrators don’t support teachers or don’t want to fight for funding. There is no funding!!! The request for Special ED has exploded. Most often they have to cut programs or teachers to make room for additional Special Ed. Your child does not need an accommodation, they need a whole salaried employee dedicated to them.

No they do not. They need access to a classroom for kids like them. Why is there like one of these in each district? There needs to be at least one - per school!!

Because parents, especially in wealthy districts, want their kids in mainstream classrooms with an IEP and aid.

In Boston there is uproar that Special Ed kids are being sent in Special Ed classes or school. The SJW are demanding mainstream integration.

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Anonymous wrote:NP---My kid was a chair thrower in elem school. He was my 2nd and Yes I knew something wasn't right by about 2. I went to the dev ped who said wait and see. The regular ped had no advice. It wasn't until the end of PreK 3 that the preschool indicated that this was so far above the norm that they would no longer work with him.

Got my kid into PEP and with a high teacher/student ratio and small classes, he did fine. So well in fact that they closed his IEP going into K. At the general K meeting for incoming students in May, I asked what the plan was.....I was told that during the first few months of K, it is all hands on deck. That does not sound like a solid plan to me. I put my kid in private and the smaller classes worked well until 2nd grade.

In 2nd grade, I moved my kid to public, met with the principal, told him what was going on and that I wanted to start the IEP process. He said we needed to wait. Not surprisingly, I got a call within the first week that we needed to start the IEP process. It took me 6 months to get his IEP back in place and that was with me providing an outside evaluation. Had I wanted to use the school psychologist, the timeline would have been longer. In retrospect, I wish I had sent my kid to public K. The IEP would have happened earlier in his school career.

All this is to say---for parents with NT children, be grateful your kid can regulate. As many others have pointed out, many of us are doing all we can to get both our kids and your kids the appropriate education. We want our kids moved to the right environment. Even when the school is working with us, there are timelines everyone has to follow. It is not good for anyone. But to come on DCUM and tell us that we are crappy parents, that our kids deserve to be beaten, that they should be regulated to virtual learning, that our kids do not deserve the same education that your child receives is wrong and infuriating. I truly hope that no one in your family ever has to manage a child with an invisible disability.

I do not think you're a crappy parent at all. You are doing all you can in a very difficult situation. Of course your kid doesn't deserve to be beaten (who said that?) and of course they deserve the same educational opportunities. However, safety should come first in school. How can anyone learn if someone in the classroom is being unsafe (throwing chairs or whatever type of violent, aggressive behavior)? And why is virtual learning not a decent alternative in the case that a violent kid is continually disrupting and terrorizing the class?

Because in some cases, the parents relish that 8 hour break from their child.

No, because in many cases, it requires 2 parents to work in order to keep a roof over the family and put food on the table.

Virtual learning was not something our ND kid could engage with. Also they aren’t learning any socioemotional skills or resiliency in a vacuum. It would exacerbate the problem. (It would solve the immediate community issues but worsen the child’s ability to learn or grow past the impulsiveness.)

Too bad your kid is destroying a learning environment for 20 kids

They aren’t. Now you’re wildly reacting to every child that has quirks. May I suggest an IEP meeting for emotional support online?

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

Be a responsible parent and stop expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for everything.

But this parent and other parents who send their kids to privates should foot the bill so that your kid can enjoy the public school system. Nice!

These kids can come back if/when they can use up a fair share of resources without having a detrimental effect on other kids.

Who determines what a fair share of resources is?

My determination would be different from yours. I certainly don't want my tax dollars footing the bills for parents who want to kick out other children from school. I don't think it's a fair use of my tax dollars. These parents shouldn't be taking any resources other than the money they put into the school system since they don't believe in community working together for all children.

You don't care about all children. You're clearly prioritizing some over others.

It's okay to restrict neurotypical kids' education and threaten their safety. But how dare anyone suggest any sort of restriction be placed on a violent neurodivergent child, you are a monster for even saying it! /s

Please find me one single post on here where anyone said neurodivergent kids should have no restrictions at all places on them? Find me ONE.

Because I didn’t see a single person say these children should be allowed unfettered access to throw chairs in class. Even the parents of neurodivergent kids aren’t saying there shouldn’t be “any sort of restriction.” Most people are saying these children need help and we need better solutions because the status quo isn’t working.

But instead posters like you want to lay blame and name call and insist these kids be discarded through infinite suspensions or virtual schooling. I hope I don’t know anyone like these posters in real life, because your views are pretty abhorrent.

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Anonymous wrote:^ and the jerks I am referring to are the parents trying to insist that the children throwing chairs should stay home.

Why shouldn't they? They should be suspended for a certain amount of time to get behavior under control before given another chance.

So what if the parents can't get the behavior under control? Should these kids not get educated?

Violent kids have bigger issues and perhaps should enter full time therapy so they can be addressed properly instead of being ignored in school.

Cool. Want to tell us where to find “full time therapy” and tell me which health insurance plan pays for it? Cause I’m over here trying to find an in-network child psychologist for my kid with availability, and no dice. Surely you have a solution?

You pay for it.

And is she cannot afford it, what happens to her child?

Be a responsible parent and stop expecting taxpayers to foot the bill for everything.

But this parent and other parents who send their kids to privates should foot the bill so that your kid can enjoy the public school system. Nice!

These kids can come back if/when they can use up a fair share of resources without having a detrimental effect on other kids.

Who determines what a fair share of resources is?

My determination would be different from yours. I certainly don't want my tax dollars footing the bills for parents who want to kick out other children from school. I don't think it's a fair use of my tax dollars. These parents shouldn't be taking any resources other than the money they put into the school system since they don't believe in community working together for all children.

You don't care about all children. You're clearly prioritizing some over others.

It's okay to restrict neurotypical kids' education and threaten their safety. But how dare anyone suggest any sort of restriction be placed on a violent neurodivergent child, you are a monster for even saying it! /s

Please find me one single post on here where anyone said neurodivergent kids should have no restrictions at all places on them? Find me ONE.

Because I didn’t see a single person say these children should be allowed unfettered access to throw chairs in class. Even the parents of neurodivergent kids aren’t saying there shouldn’t be “any sort of restriction.” Most people are saying these children need help and we need better solutions because the status quo isn’t working.

But instead posters like you want to lay blame and name call and insist these kids be discarded through infinite suspensions or virtual schooling. I hope I don’t know anyone like these posters in real life, because your views are pretty abhorrent.

The problem with waiting around for the better solutions is that real children get hurt. They can't be collateral damage in the quest to make sure the kids having the outbursts get all the help the help fairy can bring them. That is of no help to the kids witnessing this and impacted by this in the classroom.