If adults kids don’t have kids what’s the point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

All I ask… as if it’s a tiny thing! Those are huge asks! Why would you ask that they marry or have kids (specifically 2-3 kids)? You’re correct in that you’re not their servant but perhaps in the same way, neither are they yours. They get to choose their life and if you want, you can be happy for them and support their choices.

Less than two is weird and more than four is a cult. Pretty much 2-3 is normal. Honestly two is bare minimum for a couple to break even.

I assume a married women with no kids she is the in the closet guys beard. Or worse he will run off at 55 with a 35 year old and start a family

I have a creepy cousin around 63 with his 62 year old wife. No kids. His sister has three. His dad still alive. It is weird in their place. Got that old people waiting to die smell with no kids

62 is hardly "old person waiting to die smell" unless there are some serious health problems. Come back to me in 25 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

All I ask… as if it’s a tiny thing! Those are huge asks! Why would you ask that they marry or have kids (specifically 2-3 kids)? You’re correct in that you’re not their servant but perhaps in the same way, neither are they yours. They get to choose their life and if you want, you can be happy for them and support their choices.

Less than two is weird and more than four is a cult. Pretty much 2-3 is normal. Honestly two is bare minimum for a couple to break even.

I assume a married women with no kids she is the in the closet guys beard. Or worse he will run off at 55 with a 35 year old and start a family

I have a creepy cousin around 63 with his 62 year old wife. No kids. His sister has three. His dad still alive. It is weird in their place. Got that old people waiting to die smell with no kids

62 is hardly "old person waiting to die smell" unless there are some serious health problems. Come back to me in 25 years.

62 is like 82 if you never had kids. His wife smells of mothballs and he smells like used depends

[Anonymous]

Some of these pps are bizarre.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Up until around the 1950s it was very commonplace for families to be multi-generational with kids, parents, siblings, grandparents and even great-grandparents living in the same home or maybe a little family compound or at least within just a mile or two of one another.

You see many economists and sociologists now scorning when the idea of the "nuclear" family took off such that it was two parents and 2-3 kids living independently, with no family close by. Covid has decimated the childcare business so it restricts parents joining the workforce. They are now proposing that people should reconsider the multi-generational living arrangement because you have many different adults to help one another, babysit kids, help with aging parents, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Up until around the 1950s it was very commonplace for families to be multi-generational with kids, parents, siblings, grandparents and even great-grandparents living in the same home or maybe a little family compound or at least within just a mile or two of one another.

You see many economists and sociologists now scorning when the idea of the "nuclear" family took off such that it was two parents and 2-3 kids living independently, with no family close by. Covid has decimated the childcare business so it restricts parents joining the workforce. They are now proposing that people should reconsider the multi-generational living arrangement because you have many different adults to help one another, babysit kids, help with aging parents, etc.

Not true. Both my parents grew up on farms. Tradition is oldest son gets farm the rest gets thrown out. My
Mothers father died when she was 14 and older brother got farm and he shipped her off. My father the oldest son got farm and off he went. It was more cruel in history. And both older sons tossed their mom out. It was their farm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I totally agree with you. If my kids choose to not have kids I will leave them nothing. Spend all my savings, and give the rest to charity. I did the hard work. If they aren't willing to do the same, they don't need or deserve an inheritance.

You sound like a nightmare. They have to copy your life choices? Start spending.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Up until around the 1950s it was very commonplace for families to be multi-generational with kids, parents, siblings, grandparents and even great-grandparents living in the same home or maybe a little family compound or at least within just a mile or two of one another.

You see many economists and sociologists now scorning when the idea of the "nuclear" family took off such that it was two parents and 2-3 kids living independently, with no family close by. Covid has decimated the childcare business so it restricts parents joining the workforce. They are now proposing that people should reconsider the multi-generational living arrangement because you have many different adults to help one another, babysit kids, help with aging parents, etc.

Economists are out of touch. Lots of people don’t want to have kids, lots of people don’t want to live with their extended family. Arguing for these things on economic grounds doesn’t take human nature into account.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Up until around the 1950s it was very commonplace for families to be multi-generational with kids, parents, siblings, grandparents and even great-grandparents living in the same home or maybe a little family compound or at least within just a mile or two of one another.

You see many economists and sociologists now scorning when the idea of the "nuclear" family took off such that it was two parents and 2-3 kids living independently, with no family close by. Covid has decimated the childcare business so it restricts parents joining the workforce. They are now proposing that people should reconsider the multi-generational living arrangement because you have many different adults to help one another, babysit kids, help with aging parents, etc.

Not true. Both my parents grew up on farms. Tradition is oldest son gets farm the rest gets thrown out. My
Mothers father died when she was 14 and older brother got farm and he shipped her off. My father the oldest son got farm and off he went. It was more cruel in history. And both older sons tossed their mom out. It was their farm.

So, I said it was commonplace not universal. I bet if you research the history of farming families, your family is probably an outlier since most family farms rely on the extended family to stay in existence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

Up until around the 1950s it was very commonplace for families to be multi-generational with kids, parents, siblings, grandparents and even great-grandparents living in the same home or maybe a little family compound or at least within just a mile or two of one another.

You see many economists and sociologists now scorning when the idea of the "nuclear" family took off such that it was two parents and 2-3 kids living independently, with no family close by. Covid has decimated the childcare business so it restricts parents joining the workforce. They are now proposing that people should reconsider the multi-generational living arrangement because you have many different adults to help one another, babysit kids, help with aging parents, etc.

Economists are out of touch. Lots of people don’t want to have kids, lots of people don’t want to live with their extended family. Arguing for these things on economic grounds doesn’t take human nature into account.

Not arguing for or against either…just responding to PP poster that it is only actually in fairly recent history that multi-generational families are uncommon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

All I ask… as if it’s a tiny thing! Those are huge asks! Why would you ask that they marry or have kids (specifically 2-3 kids)? You’re correct in that you’re not their servant but perhaps in the same way, neither are they yours. They get to choose their life and if you want, you can be happy for them and support their choices.

Less than two is weird and more than four is a cult. Pretty much 2-3 is normal. Honestly two is bare minimum for a couple to break even.

I assume a married women with no kids she is the in the closet guys beard. Or worse he will run off at 55 with a 35 year old and start a family

I have a creepy cousin around 63 with his 62 year old wife. No kids. His sister has three. His dad still alive. It is weird in their place. Got that old people waiting to die smell with no kids

62 is hardly "old person waiting to die smell" unless there are some serious health problems. Come back to me in 25 years.

62 is like 82 if you never had kids. His wife smells of mothballs and he smells like used depends

You sound delusional. No child free 62 year smells like mothballs. Baby get some new friends that smell better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect the ones clamoring for grandchildren are also the least likely to help out with babysitting or to visit. They just want the status symbol of telling their friends how many grandkids they have and don't want to help out current parents in a world that has made it much harder to raise children than they experienced.

Why should we help out? Our parents did not help us neither did any previous generation parents since dawn of time.

My grandparents had 8 kids and we lived 3,000 miles away yet somehow my mom had four kids and me three kids. Today the precious snowflakes wit two kids except both grandparents helping, daycare, babysitters, after school programs, summer camps. Raise your own damn kids.

All I ask, marry well, have 2-3 kids, buy a house and have me over thanksgiving, Xmas, kids birthday parties. I am not your servant. I raises my kids.

All I ask… as if it’s a tiny thing! Those are huge asks! Why would you ask that they marry or have kids (specifically 2-3 kids)? You’re correct in that you’re not their servant but perhaps in the same way, neither are they yours. They get to choose their life and if you want, you can be happy for them and support their choices.

Less than two is weird and more than four is a cult. Pretty much 2-3 is normal. Honestly two is bare minimum for a couple to break even.

I assume a married women with no kids she is the in the closet guys beard. Or worse he will run off at 55 with a 35 year old and start a family

I have a creepy cousin around 63 with his 62 year old wife. No kids. His sister has three. His dad still alive. It is weird in their place. Got that old people waiting to die smell with no kids

You sound old and out of touch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Matthew Perry no kids or wife. They are actually looking for someone to take his dog. His $120 million and mansion all meaningless now as no one to hand it down to. No grieving widow, no grieving kids. I hope his parents are already dead so they don’t have to see this.

His parents are not dead. So there are people grieving him.
Millions of people, in fact.
And we don't know who he left his money to. Perhaps to resources for addicts, which would be a wonderful legacy.
A mansion is meaningless, period. It doesn't matter if the owner is alive or dead. It's just a house.

Finally, if he had a wife and kids, they probably would have been grieving --and suffering terribly-- during his life. Addiction is a terrible thing. He probably had the self-awareness to not propose to someone or get anyone pregnant, and should be commended for that.

Your goal in life should not be to have people grieve you.

[Anonymous]

For all the PPs threatening to withhold inheritances from their kids who dare to not procreate...

Childfree couples are more likely to have far more savings/disposable income since they don't have to pay any child-related expenses. Your money would certainly be a welcome infusion, but it's not exactly going to work as extortion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For all the PPs threatening to withhold inheritances from their kids who dare to not procreate...

Childfree couples are more likely to have far more savings/disposable income since they don't have to pay any child-related expenses. Your money would certainly be a welcome infusion, but it's not exactly going to work as extortion.

Are you sure this is true? Anecdotally, the child-free couples I know kind of lead a "bourgeoise" subsistence lifestyle. I have no idea if they think they are inheriting a ton of $$$s or not, but they don't have much disposable income. They are child-free because they know their current lifestyle will never be compatible with the costs of raising even one child.

[Anonymous]

This is such a strange sentiment to me. I adore my children. They bring my life so much joy and meaning. I am sure I will similarly love any grandchildren I have (if any). But the things my kids have brought me are certainly not dependent on their future actions - reproductive or otherwise.