Columbia permanently pulls out of US news

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

Really? That’s embarrassing.

Except that it's not true. There's one anti-UVAt mom who trots this out on a yearly basis. Note, she wrote "active" faculty member, which is deceptive. Here are the Nobels from UVA: The University of Virginia has been affiliated with many highly decorated alumni and faculty. Over the years, there have been many noted Nobel Laureates who were directly affiliated with the university. They include Clinton Davisson, Ronald Coase, Barry Marshall, and James M. Buchanan, just to name a few. The list of awards received by these men and many others is quite long and shows a solid history of academic excellence.

And of course William Faulkner.

and Edgar Allan Poe and Thomas Jefferson should be in there but they predate the establishment of the prize.

Now, back to the subject, would you rather your CURRENT student win a Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright or do you want to get hung up on your students' access to old professors who will have no impact on your child but have the title "nobel" . Every single time someone tries to point out the amazing record UVA has had with Rhodes (top public, after the west point, for all publics in Rhodes Scholarships) someone with a beef trots this out.

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

You can go to GS straight out of high school. There was one kid who is there from DDs high school graduating class last year. Very unremarkable kid.

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

Really? That’s embarrassing.

Except that it's not true. There's one anti-UVAt mom who trots this out on a yearly basis. Note, she wrote "active" faculty member, which is deceptive. Here are the Nobels from UVA: The University of Virginia has been affiliated with many highly decorated alumni and faculty. Over the years, there have been many noted Nobel Laureates who were directly affiliated with the university. They include Clinton Davisson, Ronald Coase, Barry Marshall, and James M. Buchanan, just to name a few. The list of awards received by these men and many others is quite long and shows a solid history of academic excellence.

And of course William Faulkner.

and Edgar Allan Poe and Thomas Jefferson should be in there but they predate the establishment of the prize.

Now, back to the subject, would you rather your CURRENT student win a Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright or do you want to get hung up on your students' access to old professors who will have no impact on your child but have the title "nobel" . Every single time someone tries to point out the amazing record UVA has had with Rhodes (top public, after the west point, for all publics in Rhodes Scholarships) someone with a beef trots this out.

Columbia has 5 Rhodes this year and 3 last year. How many from UVA in 2022 and 2023?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe a linear ranking of colleges and universities makes sense. It may be better to lump them together in groups of 10. But within the bucket, colleges don’t get individually ranked. What exactly is the difference between the number 1 and number 3 ranked school? Pretty much nothing. And peers don’t know enough to rank other schools so precisely.

How would you group the schools?

Even with Columbia’s scandal, I would go:

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke, Columbia

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore

Tier 2B: Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Pomona, Bowdoin, Georgetown + SFS

Notre Dame in Tier 2B

Hard to see Duke higher than 2A or 2 B.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe a linear ranking of colleges and universities makes sense. It may be better to lump them together in groups of 10. But within the bucket, colleges don’t get individually ranked. What exactly is the difference between the number 1 and number 3 ranked school? Pretty much nothing. And peers don’t know enough to rank other schools so precisely.

How would you group the schools?

Even with Columbia’s scandal, I would go:

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke, Columbia

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore

Tier 2B: Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Pomona, Bowdoin, Georgetown + SFS

Notre Dame in Tier 2B

Hard to see Duke higher than 2A or 2 B.

Duke is at the right place

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe a linear ranking of colleges and universities makes sense. It may be better to lump them together in groups of 10. But within the bucket, colleges don’t get individually ranked. What exactly is the difference between the number 1 and number 3 ranked school? Pretty much nothing. And peers don’t know enough to rank other schools so precisely.

How would you group the schools?

Even with Columbia’s scandal, I would go:

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke, Columbia

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore

Tier 2B: Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Pomona, Bowdoin, Georgetown + SFS

+1, nice to see inclusion of the top LACs too

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

Really? That’s embarrassing.

Except that it's not true. There's one anti-UVAt mom who trots this out on a yearly basis. Note, she wrote "active" faculty member, which is deceptive. Here are the Nobels from UVA: The University of Virginia has been affiliated with many highly decorated alumni and faculty. Over the years, there have been many noted Nobel Laureates who were directly affiliated with the university. They include Clinton Davisson, Ronald Coase, Barry Marshall, and James M. Buchanan, just to name a few. The list of awards received by these men and many others is quite long and shows a solid history of academic excellence.

And of course William Faulkner.

and Edgar Allan Poe and Thomas Jefferson should be in there but they predate the establishment of the prize.

Now, back to the subject, would you rather your CURRENT student win a Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright or do you want to get hung up on your students' access to old professors who will have no impact on your child but have the title "nobel" . Every single time someone tries to point out the amazing record UVA has had with Rhodes (top public, after the west point, for all publics in Rhodes Scholarships) someone with a beef trots this out.

None of those cited won Nobels while at UVA or for work they did at UVA. Neither Poe nor Jefferson graduated from UVA. Jefferson obviously didn't even attend UVA and Poe was only for a short time. And, as you even admit, they didn't win anyway. No UVA graduate has ever won a Nobel prize.

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

Really? That’s embarrassing.

Except that it's not true. There's one anti-UVAt mom who trots this out on a yearly basis. Note, she wrote "active" faculty member, which is deceptive. Here are the Nobels from UVA: The University of Virginia has been affiliated with many highly decorated alumni and faculty. Over the years, there have been many noted Nobel Laureates who were directly affiliated with the university. They include Clinton Davisson, Ronald Coase, Barry Marshall, and James M. Buchanan, just to name a few. The list of awards received by these men and many others is quite long and shows a solid history of academic excellence.

And of course William Faulkner.

and Edgar Allan Poe and Thomas Jefferson should be in there but they predate the establishment of the prize.

Now, back to the subject, would you rather your CURRENT student win a Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright or do you want to get hung up on your students' access to old professors who will have no impact on your child but have the title "nobel" . Every single time someone tries to point out the amazing record UVA has had with Rhodes (top public, after the west point, for all publics in Rhodes Scholarships) someone with a beef trots this out.

I don't think UVA has been a standout for Fulbright or Marshall. I think many schools do better on a per capita basis.

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

Really? That’s embarrassing.

Except that it's not true. There's one anti-UVAt mom who trots this out on a yearly basis. Note, she wrote "active" faculty member, which is deceptive. Here are the Nobels from UVA: The University of Virginia has been affiliated with many highly decorated alumni and faculty. Over the years, there have been many noted Nobel Laureates who were directly affiliated with the university. They include Clinton Davisson, Ronald Coase, Barry Marshall, and James M. Buchanan, just to name a few. The list of awards received by these men and many others is quite long and shows a solid history of academic excellence.

And of course William Faulkner.

and Edgar Allan Poe and Thomas Jefferson should be in there but they predate the establishment of the prize.

Now, back to the subject, would you rather your CURRENT student win a Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright or do you want to get hung up on your students' access to old professors who will have no impact on your child but have the title "nobel" . Every single time someone tries to point out the amazing record UVA has had with Rhodes (top public, after the west point, for all publics in Rhodes Scholarships) someone with a beef trots this out.

None of those cited won Nobels while at UVA or for work they did at UVA. Neither Poe nor Jefferson graduated from UVA. Jefferson obviously didn't even attend UVA and Poe was only for a short time. And, as you even admit, they didn't win anyway. No UVA graduate has ever won a Nobel prize.m

False.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe a linear ranking of colleges and universities makes sense. It may be better to lump them together in groups of 10. But within the bucket, colleges don’t get individually ranked. What exactly is the difference between the number 1 and number 3 ranked school? Pretty much nothing. And peers don’t know enough to rank other schools so precisely.

How would you group the schools?

Even with Columbia’s scandal, I would go:

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke, Columbia

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore

Tier 2B: Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Pomona, Bowdoin, Georgetown + SFS

Notre Dame in Tier 2B

Hard to see Duke higher than 2A or 2 B.

Duke is at the right place

Only in South Carolina, Kentucky... It's hardly known outside the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe a linear ranking of colleges and universities makes sense. It may be better to lump them together in groups of 10. But within the bucket, colleges don’t get individually ranked. What exactly is the difference between the number 1 and number 3 ranked school? Pretty much nothing. And peers don’t know enough to rank other schools so precisely.

How would you group the schools?

Even with Columbia’s scandal, I would go:

Tier 1A: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton

Tier 1B: Caltech, Yale, UPenn + Wharton, Duke, Columbia

Tier 2A: Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins, UChicago, Northwestern, Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore

Tier 2B: Vanderbilt, Cornell, WashU, Rice, Pomona, Bowdoin, Georgetown + SFS

Notre Dame in Tier 2B

Hard to see Duke higher than 2A or 2 B.

Duke is at the right place

Only in South Carolina, Kentucky... It's hardly known outside the USA.

+1. Duke should be 2A.

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Pomona should be with Williams and Amherst.

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Anonymous wrote:Pomona should be with Williams and Amherst.

Pomona is more selective than Williams and Amherst but I agree they are in the same league academically.

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

Really? That’s embarrassing.

Except that it's not true. There's one anti-UVAt mom who trots this out on a yearly basis. Note, she wrote "active" faculty member, which is deceptive. Here are the Nobels from UVA: The University of Virginia has been affiliated with many highly decorated alumni and faculty. Over the years, there have been many noted Nobel Laureates who were directly affiliated with the university. They include Clinton Davisson, Ronald Coase, Barry Marshall, and James M. Buchanan, just to name a few. The list of awards received by these men and many others is quite long and shows a solid history of academic excellence.

And of course William Faulkner.

and Edgar Allan Poe and Thomas Jefferson should be in there but they predate the establishment of the prize.

Now, back to the subject, would you rather your CURRENT student win a Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright or do you want to get hung up on your students' access to old professors who will have no impact on your child but have the title "nobel" . Every single time someone tries to point out the amazing record UVA has had with Rhodes (top public, after the west point, for all publics in Rhodes Scholarships) someone with a beef trots this out.

I don't think UVA has been a standout for Fulbright or Marshall. I think many schools do better on a per capita basis.

Wrong on both https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-named-top-producer-fulbright-us-student-program

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Anonymous wrote:GS had more Rhodes scholarships than CC one year recently. It's nothing like an extension school and it's not a gen ed degree. You have a major, you take same classes with all other Columbia students. You just can't come directly out of HS. Faculty loves the GS students, which isn't surprising.

GS has had only two Rhodes -class of ‘13 and class of ‘17. Generally Columbia isn’t a big producer of RSS.

The number of Rhodes Scholars Columbia produces (per student) tracks with other schools at the bottom of T20.

UVA has more than twice the number of RSS at 56. Columbia, an Ivy, has only 26

Columbia is more concerned with creating and hiring Nobel Prize winners, a much more prestigious award where UVA lags painfully behind.

No UVA graduate or active faculty member has ever won a Nobel Prize.

Really? That’s embarrassing.

Except that it's not true. There's one anti-UVAt mom who trots this out on a yearly basis. Note, she wrote "active" faculty member, which is deceptive. Here are the Nobels from UVA: The University of Virginia has been affiliated with many highly decorated alumni and faculty. Over the years, there have been many noted Nobel Laureates who were directly affiliated with the university. They include Clinton Davisson, Ronald Coase, Barry Marshall, and James M. Buchanan, just to name a few. The list of awards received by these men and many others is quite long and shows a solid history of academic excellence.

And of course William Faulkner.

and Edgar Allan Poe and Thomas Jefferson should be in there but they predate the establishment of the prize.

Now, back to the subject, would you rather your CURRENT student win a Rhodes, Marshall, Fulbright or do you want to get hung up on your students' access to old professors who will have no impact on your child but have the title "nobel" . Every single time someone tries to point out the amazing record UVA has had with Rhodes (top public, after the west point, for all publics in Rhodes Scholarships) someone with a beef trots this out.

I don't think UVA has been a standout for Fulbright or Marshall. I think many schools do better on a per capita basis.

Wrong on both https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-named-top-producer-fulbright-us-student-program

Not only is UVA a top producer of Fulbrights (see above) but it nailed two Rhodes and 3 Marshall Scholarships recently in the same year. Considering it’s small size that’s quite an accomplishment. https://www.jeffersonscholars.org/story/first-uva-and-jsf-history-five-jefferson-scholars-single-year-awarded-prestigious-rhodes-and