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Just by the number of responses in this thread, you can rest assure that they'll always have money because corporations, agents and celebrities would always want to be connected to them for their ability to keep masses engaged in their drama.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

Yes, and concur they were shortsighted not to do it. The decision to profit from airing family dirt is separate though, at least in my mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Just by the number of responses in this thread, you can rest assure that they'll always have money because corporations, agents and celebrities would always want to be connected to them for their ability to keep masses engaged in their drama.

Idk, there's a good chance this will all die down in a few months. After all, what's left?

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

These are all good points. I really wonder what the thought was behind the scenes when they kept saying no (directly or indirectly) to moving to South Africa, Canada, etc. What did they think the end game was? To PP's point, the family had/has more to lose. What did they think was going to happen if they continued to just say no when H and M were clearly (unwarranted or not) so unhappy?

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God no such a boring whiner.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

If they lived a quieter life, tabloids would've moved on to George and Louis.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

Yes, and concur they were shortsighted not to do it. The decision to profit from airing family dirt is separate though, at least in my mind.

The BRF doesn't really have the ability to do that though. Yes, the BRF quashed some pics of Kate's naked chest. But they weren't able to keep the years of Waity Katy and coverage of her bloopers out of the press. And Kensington or Buckingham (sorry, I don't remember which) did eventually ask the press to knock it off wrt Meghan. For whatever good it did.

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Sounds like a yawn if the best they have is this pathetic dog bowl incident.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602551/Prince-Harrys-book-William-pointed-finger-Meghan-called-rude.html
I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

Yes, and concur they were shortsighted not to do it. The decision to profit from airing family dirt is separate though, at least in my mind.

The BRF doesn't really have the ability to do that though. Yes, the BRF quashed some pics of Kate's naked chest. But they weren't able to keep the years of Waity Katy and coverage of her bloopers out of the press. And Kensington or Buckingham (sorry, I don't remember which) did eventually ask the press to knock it off wrt Meghan. For whatever good it did.

If the BRF had the power over the tabloids Harry imagines they do, the tampon story would have never seen the light of day.

Remember all the hateful thrashing Charles got after Diana's death.

Remember all the dirt and harassment after Camilla. You think if Charles could stop it, he wouldn't have? THat's not how it works.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

The letter was leaked by Meghan. She asked five friends to talk to People magazine and they specifically mentioned the letter and their version of the contents of it. Her father was really hurt by this and asked the DM to publish excerpts of it. Meghan was desperate for this letter to be leaked and knew she could provoke her father into it. Childish games by two immature people.

She trashes her dad and his side of the family, but she is genetically linked. They share traits. Same goes for Harry and his family.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

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Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

Why couldn’t Harry protect her from the tabloids? Maybe because the tabloids write what they want to write without regard to the truth? This idea that Megan got treated differently than Kate is true in so far as Megan got unprecedented treatment prior to her marriage- an invite to sandringham, a seat at the table of the royal foundation, even being interviewed with Kate and will and Harry as if she were one of them- all before her wedding! It was an incredible show of support for Megan. The palace issued a statement lambasting media portrayal of Megan - something that was never done for Kate when the hateful headlines were focused on Kate. Ultimately though none of this seems to matter as Harry and Megan have decided William is to blame for all the bad media. They seem to have genuinely hurt feelings and truly could benefit from GOOD therapy- not whatever they’ve been doing since it seems to not be working.
He comes across as profoundly damaged and angry. It’s truly sad.

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Anonymous wrote:Just by the number of responses in this thread, you can rest assure that they'll always have money because corporations, agents and celebrities would always want to be connected to them for their ability to keep masses engaged in their drama.

Even the masses get bored with tiresome whining and poor pitiful me attitudes. It is not what people admire.

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What's sad is that with all this nonsense talk about independent life, it surely must burn H&M that their connection to the BRF is STILL the most interesting thing about them.

Netflix doc about their dramas? Sells like hotcakes.

Leadership something doc they "produced"? Didn't even register.

That tells you what people want from H&M. Not their ideas!

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

Can someone connect the dots? Why would it matter if they were 'leaked'? What is stopping them from moving? I don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602551/Prince-Harrys-book-William-pointed-finger-Meghan-called-rude.html
I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.

All very good points.

Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.

Yes, and concur they were shortsighted not to do it. The decision to profit from airing family dirt is separate though, at least in my mind.

The BRF doesn't really have the ability to do that though. Yes, the BRF quashed some pics of Kate's naked chest. But they weren't able to keep the years of Waity Katy and coverage of her bloopers out of the press. And Kensington or Buckingham (sorry, I don't remember which) did eventually ask the press to knock it off wrt Meghan. For whatever good it did.

If the BRF had the power over the tabloids Harry imagines they do, the tampon story would have never seen the light of day.

Remember all the hateful thrashing Charles got after Diana's death.

Remember all the dirt and harassment after Camilla. You think if Charles could stop it, he wouldn't have? THat's not how it works.

But that's not the end of it, is it? They also fueled it. Harry alleges that some of the things in the tabloids were personal details/discussions he only talked with members of his family about.