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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?


The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?


Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.


yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.


Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH



How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.


What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.



I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.


+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.


Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.


Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.


Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.



Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.


The letter was leaked by Meghan. She asked five friends to talk to People magazine and they specifically mentioned the letter and their version of the contents of it. Her father was really hurt by this and asked the DM to publish excerpts of it. Meghan was desperate for this letter to be leaked and knew she could provoke her father into it. Childish games by two immature people.
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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?


The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?


Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.


yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.


Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH



How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.


What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.



I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.


+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.


Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.


Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.


Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.



Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.


There is zero evidence of this, including that letter. Meghan has lied and maintained that the court docs prove she was forced to leak - a lie. A wholesale, searchable lie. Harry and Meghan have at this point a pattern across years of lying. And, more to the point, of leaking.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1716310/prince-harry-leaks-cbs-interview-gayle-king
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I think history would be kind to Harry and Megan because both are damaged souls from broken families, merely trying to build their brand and live off of it. They probably have no idea idea of how mature adults and loving families act. Their victim mentality could be the reason of their paranoia regarding their families. Poor souls, no amount of money can make them happy.
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Anonymous wrote:Its all he said-she said from one side. Nobody knows all the real story.

Like his side, their side and the truth.


Yup. To every story.
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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?


The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?


Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.


yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.


Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH



How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.


What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.



I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.


+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.


Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.


Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.


Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.



Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.


He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.


A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.
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It sort of seems to me that the whole purpose of the spare is to draw negative attention away from the monarch.

Princess Margaret was treated like a drunk sl*t by the press (implied back then because it was the 50s and 60s, but for the age, it was pretty bad). Fergie was raked over the coals like crazy. Both of them sort of leaned into a little bit, doing provovative things and outwardly not caring about the press. And eventually the press lost interest and they were able to live out their middle age as wealthy women in comfortable homes with houses/dogs and nice jewelry.

I don't believe William affirmatively fed bad press---but he doesn't seem very bright or engaged, so I do believe that his press office may have done the traditional "wait -- look over there!" to draw attention away from him. And Andrew's press officer definitely would have done that.

Anyway, the whole thing just seems sad. It's a sad life, in a lot of ways, that ruins a lot of people (and always has). I think Harry was never tempermentally suited for it. I think Megan thought, coming from Hollywood, that she wouldn't be bothered by the publicity or that she could control the machine with her savy and charm. But it's like going from football to soccer or something -- different game, different players. And its seems to me that William, Harry and Megan are all sort of emotional hotheads that react first and then deal with the fallout later. The Quen lived her life, at least publicly, pretty much devoid of emotion. Kate seems like she is aware of that and ready to do the same. Megan and Harry just don't seem like they know how to live that way. But given who he is, I'm not sure there's a real option for him outside the confines of the BRF.

I wonder if Megan and Sophie interacted much, and if Sophie had any real advice for her. Sophie got a little lucky in that Fergie and Diana had already drawn so much fire.
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Anonymous wrote:I think history would be kind to Harry and Megan because both are damaged souls from broken families, merely trying to build their brand and live off of it. They probably have no idea idea of how mature adults and loving families act. Their victim mentality could be the reason of their paranoia regarding their families. Poor souls, no amount of money can make them happy.


... but off course make life lavish and luxury.
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Anonymous wrote:The account of the altercation, frankly, paints Harry in a light that's too precious to sympathize with. I mean William's not much better but at least his vices are easy to understand.

But Harry? The broken necklace? the broken dog bowl? (what's it made of, crystal? what type of dog bowl breaks when a man falls on top of it?) The shards cutting his delicate skin? The therapist on speed dial?

It's all a bit much.


It’s insane. It doesn’t hold water with how fights happen.


William is a bully. That much is clear.


So was this knock-down-drag-out fight the fight about Meghan bullying the staff and Harry not wanting to hear about it? That fight?


Bullying the staff is just a talking point. It's amazing the people don't see the pattern in how women who marry into the monarchy -as well as others who are not as compliant, even in the family- are treated. Diana. Fergie. Meghan. And then accused of being "crazy", "needy", "psycho", "bullying." GMAFB. I don't believe it for one minute.

I do believe that the British Tabloids and SM were cruel, racist, and hateful towards Meghan (the stories and headlines, and tweets, speak for themselves). I also 100% believe that William and Charles comms teams fed them negative stories, fueled them, and then didn't support H and M. Once again, one need only look at the history of this family (and the monarchy generally) to know with certainty that this happened.


Meghan was literally suicidal and fled the country during a fit of panic. She acts clingy and needy in public, maybe that's just an act though. I understand PPD and PPA from experience; I don't just waive it away or pretend she didn't have it.


Sorry I don't believe she was suicidal, and furthermore, I don't believe she couldn't get mental health help if she really needed it. Harry had his therapist on speed dial but she couldn't? nonsense.

What is very, very obvious to me is that Meghan very quickly understood the dysfunction and scars Harry had from Diana's death and all the myths around it, and she figured out very clearly how to tap into this vulnerability for personal gain. This is why you see so many references to Diana in their noise - Diana was killed and they want to kill me, too; you couldn't protect Diana but you could protect me, this is how. She knows that if she merges with his mother in his mind, she can play him like a fiddle.

Unfortunately, Harry never understood his mother's flaws or how her poor choices contributed to her death.
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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?


The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?


Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.


yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.


Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH



How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.


What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.



I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.


+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.


Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.


Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.


Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.



Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.


He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.


A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.



All very good points.
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This is my thought and they are doing it to stay relevant and for money. They have to fund their lifestyle. Either way, it couldn't have been a good childhood growing up in boarding schools and nannies and being the "spare" then being irrelevant once William had kids. He's basically William's assistant if he stayed. Not a great life.


How is this not a great life? Look, it's pretty well known that Harry is no intellectual. Did poorly at school, probably has a huge ego, used to being protected all his life. And he could have had a life with no worries about bills, kids, housing, medical are, nothing at all. All he had to do was show up, cut ribbons, work with his charities and be a team player. What, you have to be king or nothing?
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It's striking how temperamentally Harry is much more like his mother---attractive, charismatic, but a bit dim and histrionic, and his maternal uncle (remember? the one who gave the eulogy at Diana's funeral taking digs at the BRF), while William is much more like Charles. Agree that H&M are damaged souls from familial dysfunction. Diana herself came from dysfunction---her mother had abandoned the family when she was young. Bad familial patterns repeat themselves regardless of wealth.
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Anonymous wrote:The account of the altercation, frankly, paints Harry in a light that's too precious to sympathize with. I mean William's not much better but at least his vices are easy to understand.

But Harry? The broken necklace? the broken dog bowl? (what's it made of, crystal? what type of dog bowl breaks when a man falls on top of it?) The shards cutting his delicate skin? The therapist on speed dial?

It's all a bit much.


It’s insane. It doesn’t hold water with how fights happen.


William is a bully. That much is clear.


So was this knock-down-drag-out fight the fight about Meghan bullying the staff and Harry not wanting to hear about it? That fight?


Bullying the staff is just a talking point. It's amazing the people don't see the pattern in how women who marry into the monarchy -as well as others who are not as compliant, even in the family- are treated. Diana. Fergie. Meghan. And then accused of being "crazy", "needy", "psycho", "bullying." GMAFB. I don't believe it for one minute.

I do believe that the British Tabloids and SM were cruel, racist, and hateful towards Meghan (the stories and headlines, and tweets, speak for themselves). I also 100% believe that William and Charles comms teams fed them negative stories, fueled them, and then didn't support H and M. Once again, one need only look at the history of this family (and the monarchy generally) to know with certainty that this happened.


Meghan was literally suicidal and fled the country during a fit of panic. She acts clingy and needy in public, maybe that's just an act though. I understand PPD and PPA from experience; I don't just waive it away or pretend she didn't have it.


Sorry I don't believe she was suicidal, and furthermore, I don't believe she couldn't get mental health help if she really needed it. Harry had his therapist on speed dial but she couldn't? nonsense.

What is very, very obvious to me is that Meghan very quickly understood the dysfunction and scars Harry had from Diana's death and all the myths around it, and she figured out very clearly how to tap into this vulnerability for personal gain. This is why you see so many references to Diana in their noise - Diana was killed and they want to kill me, too; you couldn't protect Diana but you could protect me, this is how. She knows that if she merges with his mother in his mind, she can play him like a fiddle.

Unfortunately, Harry never understood his mother's flaws or how her poor choices contributed to her death.


TBH, I think Harry picked her because he saw her as a means of exiting the family -- somehow. I don't think he intended it to happen the way it did. I think Meghan did panic during a low moment and fled the country. I don't think she was denied mental health care, I think she didn't seek it and hid her distress well enough that Harry didn't offer it. And after the initial decidsion, things snowballed and they ended up in California. Since Harry wished to get out of the BRF, he went with it and is making the best of it. Not doing a great job that though.
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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?


The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?


Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.


yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.


Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH



How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.


What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.



I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.


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He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.


Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.


Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.


Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.



Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.


He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.


A major point of contention was all the stories that came about about Megan in the British tabloids that were clearly sourced from either staff or low level royals and where highly critical of her or painted her in a bad light, but the palace refused to do anything about them. I really think this is the crux of it. If stories like that were in the press about Kate, the palace would organize to do something about it, either cracking down from within on whoever was leaking, or making a deal with the press, or something. It would not be allowed to just continue and Kate would not be told to just "buck up" about it. Kate is inner circle and her reputation is treated as synonymous with the reputation of the family, so this would not be allowed. Same with William, same with their kids.

With Megan, it's clear there was resentment/dislike towards her from the beginning, and not just from staff or low level family members. William clearly was not on board with her. So when the British press started ripping her to shreds, often with blind items from people who clearly worked in the palace or were part of the family (all the stuff about how Megan was rude to staff, about her diet or her habits during her pregnancy, the criticism of the H&M relationship, etc. -- it was relentless) and the family just did nothing, this was taken as a insult because Harry, especially, knew that this is not how it would have been handled were the subject his brother or sister-in-law.

And it doesn't really matter if you believe any of those stories about Megan to understand this. Kate could be an absolute nightmare of a person, but if the press was talking about her that way, the BRF would intervene and put a stop to it, one way or another. With Megan they left H&M to figure it out on their own, and of course there was little they could do. It's no wonder they became so paranoid and resentful.

Also, for Harry in particular, he saw the tabloid treatment of Megan and thought of his mom. And he of course is going to think about how the BRF handled Diana both once she and Charles were separated, and during and after the divorce, and even after her death. They didn't handle it great! At first Diana was "in the fold" but once their marriage was on the rocks she was out and the family didn't do a ton to protect her, and given that she died during a car chase with paparazzi, Harry is going to have some feelings about that. So when Megan started getting dragged through the mud and the family seemed indifferent, he took it very, very personally.

I think H&M are being a bit petty and small here, and also that airing all this dirty laundry is embarrassing on some level. BUT I also think all of this was preventable in a functional family where people understand these dynamics. If the family had just done more to protect Megan, they could have kept Harry on board. They didn't have to love her or think she was the ideal match or be best friends with her. They needed to offer her the protection of the BRF as an "insider". They refused. So H&M decided fine, we aren't insiders? Then we'll be outsiders and you'll see how you like that. Petty? Yes. Predictable? Also yes. Sometimes you suck it up with family and give them what they need even if you don't like them personally, in order to keep the family intact. Especially if, you know, your entire livelihood depends on the concept of you having a functional and intact family. The BRF was also petty and dumb here, and they actually have more to lose.



All very good points.


Harry wanted the BRF tomprotect his wife from the tabloids. That is basically it.
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Anonymous wrote:

I wonder if Megan and Sophie interacted much, and if Sophie had any real advice for her. Sophie got a little lucky in that Fergie and Diana had already drawn so much fire.


Meghan declined the offer of Sophie's mentorship, saying she had Harry and that has to be enough.

The truth is she never cared.
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