Severance

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Anonymous wrote:Love the additional members of the cast for the finale!

Yeah, the whole marching band and drum major addition increased the tension for sure.

I was thinking about Gwendoline Christie.

Yes, she was good. Especially with the makeup. I also love to see her in another fight scene.

She was amazing. I'm so glad she [spoiler]*****






protected the goat!

The band also resisted.

Seems that there are many cracks in lumen’s armor.

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Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Exactly! Innie Mark wants to live and he'll "die" if he leaves the severed floor. He'll be severed from himself and from the woman he loves. But what life is there for them there? We'll find out next season (I hope!)

And if Helly were to leave, would Helena ever return her to the severed floor?

It crossed my mind when she told Mark, “But she is me.” (Or “I am her”, whatever ) that she was saying she is the outie? But her personality seems entirely different.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw a comment on the Severance subreddit that the real proof severance works is that Mark didn't leave - he truly had no emotional attachment to the most important part of his previous life. He was the actual Cold Harbor - not Gemma and the crib.

I take it more positively. That wherever you plant people, even with poor soil, they will grow relationships and independent thoughts.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Jame (Helena's father) say to Hely R, "You tricked me, my Hely R" when he sneaks up on her while she's alone in the MDR office? How did she trick him? How is she "his" Hely R?

She tricked him when Helly R engaged in the ruse of the overtime protocol. He didn't know it was her innie until the speech, even though they talked in the bathroom before the speech. Helly R. is 'his' because he believes he owns all the innies.

That whole scene is about how he loves the innies best. He says when you were a child I saw Kier in you, but then you grew up (changed, gained experience and a personality shaped by the world) and Kier was gone, and I hated you. I saw Kier in you again in the speech and in you now (when she attacked him). I.e., he sees Kier in the innies, who are unadulterated by the world and experience. So my question is what is Kier to him really? Why does he love the pure id/ego absent life experience?

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Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Love the additional members of the cast for the finale!

Yeah, the whole marching band and drum major addition increased the tension for sure.

I was thinking about Gwendoline Christie.

Yes, she was good. Especially with the makeup. I also love to see her in another fight scene.

She was amazing. I'm so glad she [spoiler]*****






protected the goat!

The band also resisted.

Seems that there are many cracks in lumen’s armor.

I did think it was funny that this is the second season finale of a TV series with a rebellious marching band (Andor being the first).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

Agree with bolded poster! Mean-girl poster, we're walking you down the Exports Hall and putting you on the express train to Cold Harbor.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read a lot of the posts, but, agree that I feel puzzled by what decade it is meant to be set in as well as location. All desolate. Constant winter. Weird light at all times. What are we supposed to be taking away from all of that?

I've entertained the idea that the outies are all actually the first layer down in Severance world, a la The Matrix. So the real world is actually a construct, and not physical, which is why everything is slightly off, it's always winter, etc. But there are a lot of things that also contradict that idea.

I just get the impression that Mark is not a hapless victim of Lumon.

One other thing in hung up on—has there been any indication of what knowledge or information the innies vs. outties retain? I couldn’t work out that the innies believed the waterfall they saw during their outdoor adventure thingy was the biggest one in the world. They seem to possess some sort of baseline knowledge of the world-mark knew what sex was, and when we were introduced to Hellie, we didn’t see her go through some of start up programming to inform her baseline intellect. I guess I feel like I can’t reconcile that bit. Did I fall asleep at some point and miss something?

Yeah -- I've been wondering about this too.

I feel like Severance rules are a little like ghost rules - why can ghosts walk through walls but don't fall through the floor? Because otherwise you don't have much of a story, really!

But I think that the severed characters retain sort of the basic knowledge of being an adult human - they know how to go to the bathroom on their own; they know how to use a computer. But they don't have the knowledge specific to their own lives.

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That's what was being tested at Cold Harbor, right? Whether the severed character retained any knowledge of their previous life, when put into what was essentially the most tragic and emotionally wrecking situation their outie had ever experienced (that we know of). And the answer was no - they don't remember - but also Gemma clearly had something going on that led her to trust Mark and run away with him even when she didn't remember him.

Because they’re floating! They don’t touch the ground.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

Did you…even watch the episode?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Jame (Helena's father) say to Hely R, "You tricked me, my Hely R" when he sneaks up on her while she's alone in the MDR office? How did she trick him? How is she "his" Hely R?

She tricked him when Helly R engaged in the ruse of the overtime protocol. He didn't know it was her innie until the speech, even though they talked in the bathroom before the speech. Helly R. is 'his' because he believes he owns all the innies.

That whole scene is about how he loves the innies best. He says when you were a child I saw Kier in you, but then you grew up (changed, gained experience and a personality shaped by the world) and Kier was gone, and I hated you. I saw Kier in you again in the speech and in you now (when she attacked him). I.e., he sees Kier in the innies, who are unadulterated by the world and experience. So my question is what is Kier to him really? Why does he love the pure id/ego absent life experience?

Love this. Great insight.

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What happens to Mark now? I hope Gemma gets out of the building.

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I loved that finale so much! I’m a huge marching band fan and this is the last show I’d have expected to see one in. Milchick was amazing as always. Also absolutely loved goat lady rebelling to save Emile. As far as the Mark and Gemma plot it made perfect sense to me that innie Mark would save her but also himself and not want to abandon Helly. All the innies seem like a more badass, assertive and yet still kind version of their outie self, uncorrupted by the world. That’s why Dylan’s outie was so impressed and same with Helena’s dad.

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Anonymous wrote:Why did Jame (Helena's father) say to Hely R, "You tricked me, my Hely R" when he sneaks up on her while she's alone in the MDR office? How did she trick him? How is she "his" Hely R?

She tricked him when Helly R engaged in the ruse of the overtime protocol. He didn't know it was her innie until the speech, even though they talked in the bathroom before the speech. Helly R. is 'his' because he believes he owns all the innies.

That whole scene is about how he loves the innies best. He says when you were a child I saw Kier in you, but then you grew up (changed, gained experience and a personality shaped by the world) and Kier was gone, and I hated you. I saw Kier in you again in the speech and in you now (when she attacked him). I.e., he sees Kier in the innies, who are unadulterated by the world and experience. So my question is what is Kier to him really? Why does he love the pure id/ego absent life experience?

Jame is going to make sure that Helly R doesn't become Helena again. And Mark can stay with her. Maybe Lumon will set them up in Kier's replica house where Dylan had his waffle party. And then Gemma will have to rescue Mark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

I mean, PP literally said she didn't understand how the Marks were talking to each other and it was very, very clear that they were sharing the video camera. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand that. So yeah, PP is stupid.