Severance

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Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

I mean, PP literally said she didn't understand how the Marks were talking to each other and it was very, very clear that they were sharing the video camera. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand that. So yeah, PP is stupid.

DP. The PP asked "So how were they talking by video?" But Mark switching between innie and outie wasn't really about the video camera, it was about his innie being inside the cabin and his outie being outside on the deck. The camera just allowed them to have the conversation asynchronously.

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Anonymous wrote:Saw a comment on the Severance subreddit that the real proof severance works is that Mark didn't leave - he truly had no emotional attachment to the most important part of his previous life. He was the actual Cold Harbor - not Gemma and the crib.

I take it more positively. That wherever you plant people, even with poor soil, they will grow relationships and independent thoughts.

Those aren't contradictory! But yes, definitely one of the things is that these innies, who were supposed to essentially be robots, turn out also to be people with attachments to their own lives.

But not attachments to their outies' lives, as we saw in the finale.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read a lot of the posts, but, agree that I feel puzzled by what decade it is meant to be set in as well as location. All desolate. Constant winter. Weird light at all times. What are we supposed to be taking away from all of that?

I've entertained the idea that the outies are all actually the first layer down in Severance world, a la The Matrix. So the real world is actually a construct, and not physical, which is why everything is slightly off, it's always winter, etc. But there are a lot of things that also contradict that idea.

I just get the impression that Mark is not a hapless victim of Lumon.

One other thing in hung up on—has there been any indication of what knowledge or information the innies vs. outties retain? I couldn’t work out that the innies believed the waterfall they saw during their outdoor adventure thingy was the biggest one in the world. They seem to possess some sort of baseline knowledge of the world-mark knew what sex was, and when we were introduced to Hellie, we didn’t see her go through some of start up programming to inform her baseline intellect. I guess I feel like I can’t reconcile that bit. Did I fall asleep at some point and miss something?

Yeah -- I've been wondering about this too.

I feel like Severance rules are a little like ghost rules - why can ghosts walk through walls but don't fall through the floor? Because otherwise you don't have much of a story, really!

But I think that the severed characters retain sort of the basic knowledge of being an adult human - they know how to go to the bathroom on their own; they know how to use a computer. But they don't have the knowledge specific to their own lives.

Though actually - SPOILERS ****



That's what was being tested at Cold Harbor, right? Whether the severed character retained any knowledge of their previous life, when put into what was essentially the most tragic and emotionally wrecking situation their outie had ever experienced (that we know of). And the answer was no - they don't remember - but also Gemma clearly had something going on that led her to trust Mark and run away with him even when she didn't remember him.

Because they’re floating! They don’t touch the ground.

Well in some iterations they're floating but in lots they are not. See: the TV show Ghosts.

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Milchek is such a weird guy. Like he clearly hates his job but will do anything for it. I guess that tracks with a world where Lumom is basically the only employer. Does marks sister work? If so, do we know what she does or did? She seems very smart.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read a lot of the posts, but, agree that I feel puzzled by what decade it is meant to be set in as well as location. All desolate. Constant winter. Weird light at all times. What are we supposed to be taking away from all of that?

I've entertained the idea that the outies are all actually the first layer down in Severance world, a la The Matrix. So the real world is actually a construct, and not physical, which is why everything is slightly off, it's always winter, etc. But there are a lot of things that also contradict that idea.

I just get the impression that Mark is not a hapless victim of Lumon.

One other thing in hung up on—has there been any indication of what knowledge or information the innies vs. outties retain? I couldn’t work out that the innies believed the waterfall they saw during their outdoor adventure thingy was the biggest one in the world. They seem to possess some sort of baseline knowledge of the world-mark knew what sex was, and when we were introduced to Hellie, we didn’t see her go through some of start up programming to inform her baseline intellect. I guess I feel like I can’t reconcile that bit. Did I fall asleep at some point and miss something?

Yeah -- I've been wondering about this too.

I feel like Severance rules are a little like ghost rules - why can ghosts walk through walls but don't fall through the floor? Because otherwise you don't have much of a story, really!

But I think that the severed characters retain sort of the basic knowledge of being an adult human - they know how to go to the bathroom on their own; they know how to use a computer. But they don't have the knowledge specific to their own lives.

Though actually - SPOILERS ****



That's what was being tested at Cold Harbor, right? Whether the severed character retained any knowledge of their previous life, when put into what was essentially the most tragic and emotionally wrecking situation their outie had ever experienced (that we know of). And the answer was no - they don't remember - but also Gemma clearly had something going on that led her to trust Mark and run away with him even when she didn't remember him.

Because they’re floating! They don’t touch the ground.

Well in some iterations they're floating but in lots they are not. See: the TV show Ghosts.

Those shows are just factually inaccurate. Everyone knows ghosts float.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read a lot of the posts, but, agree that I feel puzzled by what decade it is meant to be set in as well as location. All desolate. Constant winter. Weird light at all times. What are we supposed to be taking away from all of that?

I've entertained the idea that the outies are all actually the first layer down in Severance world, a la The Matrix. So the real world is actually a construct, and not physical, which is why everything is slightly off, it's always winter, etc. But there are a lot of things that also contradict that idea.

I just get the impression that Mark is not a hapless victim of Lumon.

One other thing in hung up on—has there been any indication of what knowledge or information the innies vs. outties retain? I couldn’t work out that the innies believed the waterfall they saw during their outdoor adventure thingy was the biggest one in the world. They seem to possess some sort of baseline knowledge of the world-mark knew what sex was, and when we were introduced to Hellie, we didn’t see her go through some of start up programming to inform her baseline intellect. I guess I feel like I can’t reconcile that bit. Did I fall asleep at some point and miss something?

Yeah -- I've been wondering about this too.

I feel like Severance rules are a little like ghost rules - why can ghosts walk through walls but don't fall through the floor? Because otherwise you don't have much of a story, really!

But I think that the severed characters retain sort of the basic knowledge of being an adult human - they know how to go to the bathroom on their own; they know how to use a computer. But they don't have the knowledge specific to their own lives.

Though actually - SPOILERS ****



That's what was being tested at Cold Harbor, right? Whether the severed character retained any knowledge of their previous life, when put into what was essentially the most tragic and emotionally wrecking situation their outie had ever experienced (that we know of). And the answer was no - they don't remember - but also Gemma clearly had something going on that led her to trust Mark and run away with him even when she didn't remember him.

Because they’re floating! They don’t touch the ground.

Well in some iterations they're floating but in lots they are not. See: the TV show Ghosts.

Those shows are just factually inaccurate. Everyone knows ghosts float.

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Anonymous wrote:Love the additional members of the cast for the finale!

Yeah, the whole marching band and drum major addition increased the tension for sure.

I was thinking about Gwendoline Christie.

Yes, she was good. Especially with the makeup. I also love to see her in another fight scene.

She was amazing. I'm so glad she [spoiler]*****






protected the goat!

"Emile is the name of the goat."

Looooved her and that line.

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Anonymous wrote:Milchek is such a weird guy. Like he clearly hates his job but will do anything for it. I guess that tracks with a world where Lumom is basically the only employer. Does marks sister work? If so, do we know what she does or did? She seems very smart.

He may be the best character on the show.

There are strong racial undertones surrounding his hatred of his job. It's really interesting and I'd like to see more about it in S3.

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Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

I mean, PP literally said she didn't understand how the Marks were talking to each other and it was very, very clear that they were sharing the video camera. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand that. So yeah, PP is stupid.

DP. The PP asked "So how were they talking by video?" But Mark switching between innie and outie wasn't really about the video camera, it was about his innie being inside the cabin and his outie being outside on the deck. The camera just allowed them to have the conversation asynchronously.

Thank you for being much more precise than the knee jerk critic.

If the switch is all mental (not physical), why was it even necessary for each Mark to be in a different place ? (Perhaps just a device to help the audience recognize who was talking at that moment?)

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Anonymous wrote:Milchek is such a weird guy. Like he clearly hates his job but will do anything for it. I guess that tracks with a world where Lumom is basically the only employer. Does marks sister work? If so, do we know what she does or did? She seems very smart.

The oppressed often hates the oppresser but appears outwardly to comply, because the system is so rigged, it appears to be the only path to success.

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Anonymous wrote:Milchek is such a weird guy. Like he clearly hates his job but will do anything for it. I guess that tracks with a world where Lumom is basically the only employer. Does marks sister work? If so, do we know what she does or did? She seems very smart.

The oppressed often hates the oppresser but appears outwardly to comply, because the system is so rigged, it appears to be the only path to success.

Also, especially for people who are alone in their oppression (Milchek has only black colleague and she refuses to form any kind of community) they become self-loathing because they take on the attitudes of their oppressors. I experienced abuse and neglect as a child and one of the hardest parts of recovering from that experience has been undermining the self-perception that I am not worthy of kindness or attention.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

I mean, PP literally said she didn't understand how the Marks were talking to each other and it was very, very clear that they were sharing the video camera. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand that. So yeah, PP is stupid.

DP. The PP asked "So how were they talking by video?" But Mark switching between innie and outie wasn't really about the video camera, it was about his innie being inside the cabin and his outie being outside on the deck. The camera just allowed them to have the conversation asynchronously.

Thank you for being much more precise than the knee jerk critic.

If the switch is all mental (not physical), why was it even necessary for each Mark to be in a different place ? (Perhaps just a device to help the audience recognize who was talking at that moment?)

When Mark enters the cabin, it invokes the switch to the innie, like what happens in the elevator to the severed floor. When he exits the cabin, he's the outie again.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read a lot of the posts, but, agree that I feel puzzled by what decade it is meant to be set in as well as location. All desolate. Constant winter. Weird light at all times. What are we supposed to be taking away from all of that?

I've entertained the idea that the outies are all actually the first layer down in Severance world, a la The Matrix. So the real world is actually a construct, and not physical, which is why everything is slightly off, it's always winter, etc. But there are a lot of things that also contradict that idea.

I just get the impression that Mark is not a hapless victim of Lumon.

One other thing in hung up on—has there been any indication of what knowledge or information the innies vs. outties retain? I couldn’t work out that the innies believed the waterfall they saw during their outdoor adventure thingy was the biggest one in the world. They seem to possess some sort of baseline knowledge of the world-mark knew what sex was, and when we were introduced to Hellie, we didn’t see her go through some of start up programming to inform her baseline intellect. I guess I feel like I can’t reconcile that bit. Did I fall asleep at some point and miss something?

Yeah -- I've been wondering about this too.

I feel like Severance rules are a little like ghost rules - why can ghosts walk through walls but don't fall through the floor? Because otherwise you don't have much of a story, really!

But I think that the severed characters retain sort of the basic knowledge of being an adult human - they know how to go to the bathroom on their own; they know how to use a computer. But they don't have the knowledge specific to their own lives.

Though actually - SPOILERS ****



That's what was being tested at Cold Harbor, right? Whether the severed character retained any knowledge of their previous life, when put into what was essentially the most tragic and emotionally wrecking situation their outie had ever experienced (that we know of). And the answer was no - they don't remember - but also Gemma clearly had something going on that led her to trust Mark and run away with him even when she didn't remember him.

I agree that Lumon gave Gemma’s innie the worst part of her outie’s life to recreate to test the severance procedure. But how did they know her outie had had those miscarriages and had to deconstruct a crib in the first place?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

I mean, PP literally said she didn't understand how the Marks were talking to each other and it was very, very clear that they were sharing the video camera. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand that. So yeah, PP is stupid.

DP. The PP asked "So how were they talking by video?" But Mark switching between innie and outie wasn't really about the video camera, it was about his innie being inside the cabin and his outie being outside on the deck. The camera just allowed them to have the conversation asynchronously.

Thank you for being much more precise than the knee jerk critic.

If the switch is all mental (not physical), why was it even necessary for each Mark to be in a different place ? (Perhaps just a device to help the audience recognize who was talking at that moment?)

You really don’t seem to understand anything, including the very premise of the show. The entire show hinges on the exact thing you seem confounded by.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gemma will have access to Outie Mark in the real world , right?

Unless Innie Mark doesn't leave.

Oh, I forgot they share the same body!

So how were they talking by video? The brain kept switching back and forth but not the body?

I am still confused about how the numbers erased her memories (“passions”) while creating new innies??

What? Are you stupid?

You must make a great colleague in brainstorming sessions.

Such respectful, constructive input.

I mean, PP literally said she didn't understand how the Marks were talking to each other and it was very, very clear that they were sharing the video camera. You'd have to be a complete idiot to not understand that. So yeah, PP is stupid.

DP. The PP asked "So how were they talking by video?" But Mark switching between innie and outie wasn't really about the video camera, it was about his innie being inside the cabin and his outie being outside on the deck. The camera just allowed them to have the conversation asynchronously.

Thank you for being much more precise than the knee jerk critic.

If the switch is all mental (not physical), why was it even necessary for each Mark to be in a different place ? (Perhaps just a device to help the audience recognize who was talking at that moment?)

You really don’t seem to understand anything, including the very premise of the show. The entire show hinges on the exact thing you seem confounded by.

Unless this person doesn't watch the show, it's odd how much they are confounded by the plot. I guess the whole concept goes over their head, or else they are trolls trying to rile us up.