Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t understand how the police couldn’t arrest him before and was depending solely on Juliana’s testimony to do so. With so many resources…
Not criticizing the police, just don’t get it.

Because they only have one shot to arrest him. I agree and wish he was arrested much earlier (I am a neighbor and it felt uneasy seeing him walking around the neighborhood) but I do understand why FCPD had to be really careful with this case.

Ultimately, the question should be why did it take this long for Juliana to flip? Is it because her attorney is being paid for by BB? Is she just that clueless and naive hoping they will be back together again? Only time will tell but this arrest is a step in the right direction.

I've seen this speculated on a lot.

BB paying for Juliana's lawyer would be a massive conflict of interest and I am not sure that would be allowed even if Juliana agreed to it. I would be interested to know who is paying though.

Her mother gave an interview (Google it) in which she stated the family was not paying for the lawyer, nor had Brazil offered assistance. He's not appointed nor a PD so who else do you think may have been paying?

No idea. Maybe the au pair agency? It would not surprise me if there was a clause in the au pair contract that obligated the agency to pay for a lawyer in a circumstance like this.

I hope a VA lawyer weighs in. I really want to know.

You think the agency has subrogation clause in their contract that would require the agency to pay for the au pair's lawyer in the event the au pair commits murder while working? OMFG. I am a Virginia lawyer, but you don't need to be one to understand how ludicrous your statement is. 1) murder is not a reasonable action taken in the due course of her work duties of being a nanny, and 2) most employment contracts that have clauses like this have carve outs for willful misconduct and gross negligence, and I would say killing your employer qualifies as such.

And it would not be a "conflict of interest" for Bansfield or his mother to be paying for the au pair's attorney (someone wrote that). Conflict of interest where? Under what? The Virginia bar? There are conflicts of interest in representing clients in where if the same attorney that represented the au, pair, who had been representing her for a year and had obtained privileged information from her, then turned around an also represented Banfield in a criminal and/or civli case. I think it is unethical, but I don't know what you mean.

Posters need to stop the insanity with their Tik Tok/Twitter/Qanon conspiracy theories.

Well, this was unnecessarily hostile and rude.

Yes, I think a suspect in a murder case paying for his affair partner's lawyer when the affair partner was the nanny who happened to be in the room with both victims and the other suspect is at the very least questionable.

And you're the one that made up a scenario involving subrogation and the employer/employee relationship and called it ludicrous. I never suggested that. I believe it's possible an au pair agency could have something along the lines offering legal services insurance (which is a thing).

Most of this thread is speculation. We have people on here who believe Banfield's mom was posting on this thread.

I was not rude. You were still ridiculous and don’t seem to understand how these kind of contracts work. A contract for legal services for an au pair, under your scenario, would cover things that she did during her normal course and duties of being an au pair. Do you think shooting someone and being charged with murder falls in that category? No. So her right to pull on such kind of a legal services contract would be negated because her need for services wouldn’t qualify under the terms.

Do you even know about this kind of law or do you have a crazy imagination? Do you even understand the concepts of what you’re implying? I’m trying to tell you that it doesn’t exist but you won’t listen.

You are definitely upholding the reputation of lawyers as jerks. Calling someone ludicrous, ridiculous, and being hugely condescending is rude. I'm not sure what your problem is.

The problem is your rigidity and twisting yourself into knots with fabricated scenarios and doubling down and you’re 100% wrong. And your example of maybe the au pair has a contract for litigation services via her agency that would pay for her criminal lawyer when she’s charged for murdering her employer and another person is insane and makes my brain hurt. Just read over it again, what you kept proposing.

I don't think you were rude at all. (DP HERE). In fact, you took way more time to carefully write out what should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

Insane sock puppeting. Just move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Hmmm wondering why they subpoenaed a neurologist for Juliana’s case?

Probably to testify as to whether the bullet Juliana fired was fatal. The Commonwealth has the burden to prove that the bullet she fired caused Ryan's death or that it was at least as likely to as the bullet that Ryan fired.

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Anyone have a gift link to the Post article? TIA.

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Anonymous wrote:Please read to the end. It's not my intent to victim blame in any way. Perhaps CB was a participant in some way of arranging the meeting with JR. Certainly BB set up her online profile and maybe encouraged her to play around because, in his mind, it would legitimize/excuse what he was doing with AP. Why do I suggest this? I can't understand any other situation in which JR would have stayed in the house for more than a few minutes. Had he walked in on CB without her prior knowledge I can't imagine she wouldn't have resisted and raised an alarm, called the police, nor that JR would think that such a response was part of the anticipated sex scenario. Second, had he walked in on an already incapacitated if not mortally wounded CB, he would have gotten the hell out of there in seconds. I want to reiterate that if CB was at all a participant in this it was under the pressure of an abusive, cheating, conniving husband. I'd love to hear other explanations for the time JR spent in the house if CB wasn't expecting him. And, PLEASE, keep it civil. We are all speculating on the possibilities, none of us know more than the authorities, etc.

I agree that if Joe has found Christine stabbed, he would have called 911 immediately.

Agree. This is the one part of the sequence of events that I can't work out. I'm thinking there is forensic evidence that has not been presented yet

Not if he was held at gunpoint then shot he wouldn't.

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Gift link to WaPo article: https://wapo.st/3BaG6h7

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Anonymous wrote:Please read to the end. It's not my intent to victim blame in any way. Perhaps CB was a participant in some way of arranging the meeting with JR. Certainly BB set up her online profile and maybe encouraged her to play around because, in his mind, it would legitimize/excuse what he was doing with AP. Why do I suggest this? I can't understand any other situation in which JR would have stayed in the house for more than a few minutes. Had he walked in on CB without her prior knowledge I can't imagine she wouldn't have resisted and raised an alarm, called the police, nor that JR would think that such a response was part of the anticipated sex scenario. Second, had he walked in on an already incapacitated if not mortally wounded CB, he would have gotten the hell out of there in seconds. I want to reiterate that if CB was at all a participant in this it was under the pressure of an abusive, cheating, conniving husband. I'd love to hear other explanations for the time JR spent in the house if CB wasn't expecting him. And, PLEASE, keep it civil. We are all speculating on the possibilities, none of us know more than the authorities, etc.

I agree that if Joe has found Christine stabbed, he would have called 911 immediately.

Agree. This is the one part of the sequence of events that I can't work out. I'm thinking there is forensic evidence that has not been presented yet

This is my guess:
JR walked in, spent a few minutes communicating with BB (pretending to be CB) to okay whatever role play setup JR thought was happening. He came upstairs and saw CB bloodied and unconscious, turned to flee and was immediately shot.

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Anonymous wrote:Please read to the end. It's not my intent to victim blame in any way. Perhaps CB was a participant in some way of arranging the meeting with JR. Certainly BB set up her online profile and maybe encouraged her to play around because, in his mind, it would legitimize/excuse what he was doing with AP. Why do I suggest this? I can't understand any other situation in which JR would have stayed in the house for more than a few minutes. Had he walked in on CB without her prior knowledge I can't imagine she wouldn't have resisted and raised an alarm, called the police, nor that JR would think that such a response was part of the anticipated sex scenario. Second, had he walked in on an already incapacitated if not mortally wounded CB, he would have gotten the hell out of there in seconds. I want to reiterate that if CB was at all a participant in this it was under the pressure of an abusive, cheating, conniving husband. I'd love to hear other explanations for the time JR spent in the house if CB wasn't expecting him. And, PLEASE, keep it civil. We are all speculating on the possibilities, none of us know more than the authorities, etc.

I agree that if Joe has found Christine stabbed, he would have called 911 immediately.

Agree. This is the one part of the sequence of events that I can't work out. I'm thinking there is forensic evidence that has not been presented yet

This is my guess:
JR walked in, spent a few minutes communicating with BB (pretending to be CB) to okay whatever role play setup JR thought was happening. He came upstairs and saw CB bloodied and unconscious, turned to flee and was immediately shot.

That sounds very plausible.

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Here is version of WP article that is not paywalled

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trial-date-set-for-man-charged-in-double-homicide-plot-with-au-pair/ar-AA1qRxPv?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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Anonymous wrote:Please read to the end. It's not my intent to victim blame in any way. Perhaps CB was a participant in some way of arranging the meeting with JR. Certainly BB set up her online profile and maybe encouraged her to play around because, in his mind, it would legitimize/excuse what he was doing with AP. Why do I suggest this? I can't understand any other situation in which JR would have stayed in the house for more than a few minutes. Had he walked in on CB without her prior knowledge I can't imagine she wouldn't have resisted and raised an alarm, called the police, nor that JR would think that such a response was part of the anticipated sex scenario. Second, had he walked in on an already incapacitated if not mortally wounded CB, he would have gotten the hell out of there in seconds. I want to reiterate that if CB was at all a participant in this it was under the pressure of an abusive, cheating, conniving husband. I'd love to hear other explanations for the time JR spent in the house if CB wasn't expecting him. And, PLEASE, keep it civil. We are all speculating on the possibilities, none of us know more than the authorities, etc.

I agree that if Joe has found Christine stabbed, he would have called 911 immediately.

Agree. This is the one part of the sequence of events that I can't work out. I'm thinking there is forensic evidence that has not been presented yet

This is my guess:
JR walked in, spent a few minutes communicating with BB (pretending to be CB) to okay whatever role play setup JR thought was happening. He came upstairs and saw CB bloodied and unconscious, turned to flee and was immediately shot.

How are you envisioning this communication took place?

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Anonymous wrote:Please read to the end. It's not my intent to victim blame in any way. Perhaps CB was a participant in some way of arranging the meeting with JR. Certainly BB set up her online profile and maybe encouraged her to play around because, in his mind, it would legitimize/excuse what he was doing with AP. Why do I suggest this? I can't understand any other situation in which JR would have stayed in the house for more than a few minutes. Had he walked in on CB without her prior knowledge I can't imagine she wouldn't have resisted and raised an alarm, called the police, nor that JR would think that such a response was part of the anticipated sex scenario. Second, had he walked in on an already incapacitated if not mortally wounded CB, he would have gotten the hell out of there in seconds. I want to reiterate that if CB was at all a participant in this it was under the pressure of an abusive, cheating, conniving husband. I'd love to hear other explanations for the time JR spent in the house if CB wasn't expecting him. And, PLEASE, keep it civil. We are all speculating on the possibilities, none of us know more than the authorities, etc.

I agree that if Joe has found Christine stabbed, he would have called 911 immediately.

Agree. This is the one part of the sequence of events that I can't work out. I'm thinking there is forensic evidence that has not been presented yet

This is my guess:
JR walked in, spent a few minutes communicating with BB (pretending to be CB) to okay whatever role play setup JR thought was happening. He came upstairs and saw CB bloodied and unconscious, turned to flee and was immediately shot.

With the amount of ring cameras in the neighborhood, I don’t think they would lie testifying the whole going to McDonalds and going back thing.
They know there are cameras and GPS and the police would check.

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Initially the police stated that JR was known to all parties. Did they ever clarify that statement? It will all eventually come to light but the order of events are difficult to put together. Several have mentioned that maybe JM was unaware, but to that I reference the forgotten lunches. Coincidences are less likely to be coincidences on the day of a murder. She went back for a reason.

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For me, more than that….
She left at 7:30…. What time does the kid wake up? What zoo is that that opens so early?

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Anonymous wrote:For me, more than that….
She left at 7:30…. What time does the kid wake up? What zoo is that that opens so early?

Specially in February. Why would you go on an outdoor activity early am in cold February?

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Anonymous wrote:For me, more than that….
She left at 7:30…. What time does the kid wake up? What zoo is that that opens so early?

They were driving to the national zoo, which can take up to an hour in traffic, but that also is an odd choice because you have HOV restrictions, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Please read to the end. It's not my intent to victim blame in any way. Perhaps CB was a participant in some way of arranging the meeting with JR. Certainly BB set up her online profile and maybe encouraged her to play around because, in his mind, it would legitimize/excuse what he was doing with AP. Why do I suggest this? I can't understand any other situation in which JR would have stayed in the house for more than a few minutes. Had he walked in on CB without her prior knowledge I can't imagine she wouldn't have resisted and raised an alarm, called the police, nor that JR would think that such a response was part of the anticipated sex scenario. Second, had he walked in on an already incapacitated if not mortally wounded CB, he would have gotten the hell out of there in seconds. I want to reiterate that if CB was at all a participant in this it was under the pressure of an abusive, cheating, conniving husband. I'd love to hear other explanations for the time JR spent in the house if CB wasn't expecting him. And, PLEASE, keep it civil. We are all speculating on the possibilities, none of us know more than the authorities, etc.

I agree that if Joe has found Christine stabbed, he would have called 911 immediately.

Agree. This is the one part of the sequence of events that I can't work out. I'm thinking there is forensic evidence that has not been presented yet

This is my guess:
JR walked in, spent a few minutes communicating with BB (pretending to be CB) to okay whatever role play setup JR thought was happening. He came upstairs and saw CB bloodied and unconscious, turned to flee and was immediately shot.

With the amount of ring cameras in the neighborhood, I don’t think they would lie testifying the whole going to McDonalds and going back thing.
They know there are cameras and GPS and the police would check.

Didn’t they already say there’s video evidence of him staying in the McDonald’s parking lot for an extended period of time? Meaning more time than it takes to eat a sausage egg McMuffin?