Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

This is what I assume will happen with most 3rd + 4th quarter players that are currently playing up in BY. Switching to playing on a team with players your grade will be fine. Going from playing on a team thats a grade older to a team thats a grade younger in SY just doesnt make sense.

Once clubs rediscover how much easier things are if you play Aug birthdays on their grade in school team almost all Aug birthdays will play on their grade team. Oddballs might exist on B and C teams and weird clubs but you wont see it anywhere else.

Leagues and clubs said the exact opposite. Age>grade. Skill>grade.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

You have to explain your motivation for insisting to make club soccer go to grades otherwise your opinion will be considered just self serving.

No motivation. It's called reality.

Seriously, why devote I would guess about 400-500 hours to something that doesn't directly benefit you? If you had an August kid, you just have them do what you think is best. Getting September kids to be the oldest clearly is your motivation, just no other reason to make up stuff without backing where the evidence actual disagrees with you.

Because you are wrong trying to sell Aug birthdays on playing down. Parents that do this are trading short term wins when their kid is young for long term development and college recruitment when their kid is older.

Also it pisses off parents on the grade down team. Because they all know you'll need to play with your grade when older and you're taking up a roster spot from some other kid that would be playing on the correct grade team.

I'm not an Aug parent and I'd welcome that kid on my kid's team.

How would you feel if a grade older kid benched your kid? Or booted them from the team? How would you feel about losing almost every game your kids 8th grade year because 9th graders are playing HS soccer. Oh btw 8th grade is when US Socccer is looking at teams / players to invite to Talent ID camps for national teams.

Still happy that a grade older player is on your kids team?

US Soccer picks their teams by BY. Interesting you bring this up. In my experience, kids I've seen selected to go to Talent ID had less to do with team, age, grade and more just their individual talent. Team only mattered that we had enough visibility to get seen.

If you want to be real about this.

Ive only seen 1 player get invited to go to.a US Soccer ID camp independent of a doc recommendation. If this is your thing make sure you buy the coaches drinks at the bar and kiss their ass when doing rounds of golf. Or just hand your doc 5k in a white envelope while talking about how much your kid really wants to attend a Talent ID.

It's a different, diverse world, man. What I saw was the players picked were different than the ones who the scout came to see. The club was happy just the same.

What I've seen is coaches and docs using US Soccer and league talent id invites as recruitment tools to bring over players from other clubs more than anything else.

Ive just been around all this too long and have seen how things really work. You seem to be either working for a league or club pushing an agenda or are a youngers parent that hasn't seen how things really work yet.

If it's that corrupt, then playing on grade or not really doesn't matter, does it?

It is that corrupt and yes playing on the correct grade team does matter.

Well, seems not if I just need an envelope with 5K or so, according to you.

Just like your 6k soccer scholarship to a 90k private college. If you want to make things more difficult you can. Also if you want to make things less difficult you can. In the end playing down or a 5k envelope just cheats someone else out of an opportunity and most likely you wont be able to capitalize on the opportunity because you're not properly prepared.

Seems like in your world, tho, the right donation of a certain college is all that's needed.

Its not just my world. Happens all the time. The cost goes up the less talented your kid is. If you want a freeride Aug birthdays will need to play with their grade to get noticed by college coaches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varsity_Blues_scandal

Free rides aren't worth the effort. Expecting one in non revenue soccer is foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

This is what I assume will happen with most 3rd + 4th quarter players that are currently playing up in BY. Switching to playing on a team with players your grade will be fine. Going from playing on a team thats a grade older to a team thats a grade younger in SY just doesnt make sense.

Once clubs rediscover how much easier things are if you play Aug birthdays on their grade in school team almost all Aug birthdays will play on their grade team. Oddballs might exist on B and C teams and weird clubs but you wont see it anywhere else.

The estimate was about 1 player per team was misaligned.

Not what I saw. My guess is whoever wrote that article you've decided to hang your hat on played on a sucky team and at a sucky club.

I will believe a youth coach over an anonymous parent trying to she kid for his benefit every time.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

Playing on age, being the star and paying $6k for IDs is much smarter than playing up, blending in and not getting noticed.

You're not going to be a star just by playing down a level. You should know better than anyone else losers dont stop being losers just because they move houses or buy a new car.

Winners will win playing with their grade.

But aren't you then forcing an August player to compete with players who are 11-13 months older? Currently they may be competing with January players, about 7 months older. Playing up with grade will force them into an older player pool. So it's not a loser remaining a loser. It's a player who of no fault if their own has been put in a much more difficult player pool. And if they play on age, will most likely shine more.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

This is what I assume will happen with most 3rd + 4th quarter players that are currently playing up in BY. Switching to playing on a team with players your grade will be fine. Going from playing on a team thats a grade older to a team thats a grade younger in SY just doesnt make sense.

Once clubs rediscover how much easier things are if you play Aug birthdays on their grade in school team almost all Aug birthdays will play on their grade team. Oddballs might exist on B and C teams and weird clubs but you wont see it anywhere else.

The estimate was about 1 player per team was misaligned.

Not what I saw. My guess is whoever wrote that article you've decided to hang your hat on played on a sucky team and at a sucky club.

I will believe a youth coach over an anonymous parent trying to she kid for his benefit every time.

Shame

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

It sounds like a lot of things happen that you don't notice. Most people have no idea the grades of kids playing soccer.

I can say with 100% confidence that I never heard of Aug players looking to play down.

The two August birthday players on my son's team want nothing to do with playing on a team of the grade below them. Both said doing so would feel like they're being punished.

What does grade have to do with travel soccer?
Maybe those players parents should teach them to stop worrying about what others think and focus on their game

Even little kids want to flex and say they are playing up. Until they get shoved around the field all the way to the bench.

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Anonymous wrote:I think reality is finally starting to sink into age guys head. He's starting to realize that playing down isnt a golden ticket to an A team.

There is no age person because people can't pick and choose their kids age categories like ordering a pizza. People aren't giving people advice. They are saying what is happening. Leagues said 8/1 - 7/31 except MLSN1. Clubs said only best play up. College coaches said they don't care about your age group, just be good and have good grades. No advice, just facts.

Heres a fact. If August birthdays choose to play on a grade down club team they will be ignored by college coaches.

That's just not true and you'd know that if you actually talked to any college coaches. Most college coaches have no clue how these changes will impact recruiting short term. Even the ones that were around a decade ago before BY need time to figure it out again. The coaches I know and have talked to directly have said that ID camps and direct player outreach are still the top ways they recruit players. Parents can assume all they want, but that doesn't make it true.

And, yes, my DC is an August birthday in a state with a 9/1 cutoff.

What you need to do is sink 5-6k into college id camps to compensate for your August birthday kid being misaligned and playing down.

Or just play you kid on a team thats their grade and recruitment just works because everything clubs and leagues have setup to highlight your kid to college coaches works like its supposed to.

Almost anyone can get a 6k scholarship to a 90k per year private school. But why? You could probably get the same thing with a Tuba scholarship in band.

Playing on age, being the star and paying $6k for IDs is much smarter than playing up, blending in and not getting noticed.

You're not going to be a star just by playing down a level. You should know better than anyone else losers dont stop being losers just because they move houses or buy a new car.

Winners will win playing with their grade.

But aren't you then forcing an August player to compete with players who are 11-13 months older? Currently they may be competing with January players, about 7 months older. Playing up with grade will force them into an older player pool. So it's not a loser remaining a loser. It's a player who of no fault if their own has been put in a much more difficult player pool. And if they play on age, will most likely shine more.

More importantly they aren't playing down a level, they are just playing their soccer assigned age group. It's the rules. And leagues and clubs made the rules. They didn't create grade level soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:On top of everything else I was around pre 2017 (the last time everything was SY) and I never heard of parents looking to play their kid on a grade down team. Admitting I wasn't that involved but playing down was never discussed. Playing up was discussed and occurred a lot. You would even hear about players graduating early to start their college career a year early. Maybe their were Aug parents playing down that just held their kid back in school to align them. But this isnt really playing down if you're on the correct grade in. school team.

5% of players before played misaligned, likely because it was their best option at the time. Just because you never noticed doesn't mean it never happened or was wrong somehow.

Its called competitive soccer not everyone gets a prize soccer. Maybe this type of thing happened on b and c teams. I dont know.

Again, why do you personally need soccer to switch from age based to grade based? If the rules are the same for everyone, how is it not fair to you such that their needs to be a fix before SY has even restarted.

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Rage posting again I see

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Anonymous wrote:Rage posting again I see

How do you benefit from forcing grade year and trying to shame August players who are just following the assigned rules?

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Oh my god, the Aug clown will never stop on this stupid topic

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Anonymous wrote:Oh my god, the Aug clown will never stop on this stupid topic

He works for the state of Virginia your tax dollars at work posting on this thread 247

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Anonymous wrote:Rage posting again I see

Such a pot-stirrer, you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Rage posting again I see

Such a pot-stirrer, you are.

Nobody is stirring the pot. Theres realities that crazy age guy wont accept. The big one is if you want to get recruited and play in college Aug birthdays will need to play with their grade. The almost as big one is that clubs dont wont 9th grade players on 8th grade teams. It screws up the team because 9th grade players will want to play HS soccer for 3 months during the season. The kind of big one is Aug birthday boys in SY leagues will need to play with their grade if they want to play in BY leagues like MLSN1. If you dont the jump will be too great.

On top of everything else its just easier for clubs to ask players at tryouts "what grade are you in" when determining which level to group players.

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Anonymous wrote:Rage posting again I see

Such a pot-stirrer, you are.

Nobody is stirring the pot. Theres realities that crazy age guy wont accept. The big one is if you want to get recruited and play in college Aug birthdays will need to play with their grade. The almost as big one is that clubs dont wont 9th grade players on 8th grade teams. It screws up the team because 9th grade players will want to play HS soccer for 3 months during the season. The kind of big one is Aug birthday boys in SY leagues will need to play with their grade if they want to play in BY leagues like MLSN1. If you dont the jump will be too great.

On top of everything else its just easier for clubs to ask players at tryouts "what grade are you in" when determining which level to group players.

This is you being a pot stirrer. You are rehashing nonsense for no reason. It's over, leagues said 8/1 -7/31, clubs said play on age, best get to play up but it will be rare like it is today.

The issue wasn't just settled, it never was an issue. Yet you keep cutting and pasting the same tired and misleading points to try to convince August kids to make an individual decision that you know nothing about.

How do you benefit from youth soccer going to grades. You are pleading well beyond what a rational person would do. You need this but the rules already exist by age only.

College coaches actually said you are wrong. August boys wanting to get to MLSN1 just have to be very good at soccer and then go to practices with MLSN1 teams, like now. HS won't be an issue because it will only be about one or none kids per team trapped missing about a bit over a month, kind of like missing for an injury. It's why their rosters are 20+.

Clubs are doing what they can to get as many kids as possible to play on age, meaning move Dec-Aug down. August misaligned kids isn't their problem at all, too small of an issue, it is your problem and has always only been your problem.

There is no one guy. You piss off everyone to the point of a new thread being started to avoid you and your fake August problem.