Why do people hate Disney?

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Anonymous wrote:Overpriced, crowds, celebration of the most superficial aspects of capitalism?

This. Also I hate standing in lines.

So you hate going to most places then.

It’s true, we Disney haters actually hate everything. We just sit home and stew in our hatred while you crazy kids go out and live life to the fullest. In Orlando.

I was talking more about the fact that you just hate going to places like Italy during the summer. Horrible lines.

NP, but....yes....? I would never visit Italy in the summer.

As long as we’re clear about the fact that Disney isn’t the only place with horrible lines.

who said it is?

The criticisms people have of Disney (expensive, long lines, etc.) could be applied to a ton of places. It always seems, in these threads, like people are acting as though Disney is unique in this regard.

If they don’t like Disney because of the expense and the long lines, then why are they saying they would prefer to go to Europe, where it’s often also expensive and there are tons of people around?

umm, because Europe has things that I actually want to see and am willing to stand in line for and be around big crowds for? I don't like standing in lines, but I'm willing to do it to see amazing historical sites or tour a fascinating city. I am less willing to do it for a 90 second roller coaster.

Come on, this is not that hard.

It’s not as clear-cut as you’re making it out to be.

There are some real ethical problems with the way we glorify the spoils of imperialism and colonialism — which is a huge part of the tourism market in Western Europe.

I’m as guilty as anyone of patronizing it, but it’s not necessarily the greatest thing. The British Museum, for one, might as well be renamed “The Spoils of Shitty Imperialism.”

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Disney is that I am spending a small fortune to stand in line all day. We don't stay onsite, so there isn't much of an opportunity to go back and relax at the pool.

Fast passes allow you to skip some of the line, but having to set all this up weeks/months before I go seems excessive.

We were given free lodging last minute in Orlando and decided to bring the kids down in October a few years back. We had about 2 weeks notice. Fast passes for the "good" rides weren't even available in such short notice.

I go on vacation to relax. Going to Disney felt the opposite of that - annoyance at the lines/crowds and stress the week or two before wondering if I did all that I could do.

I think a lot of it could be resolved if they put a max on the number of tickets sold per day. But we know that won't happen. Otherwise I feel like I spent close to $800/day to stand in line.

I would put this in the category of people who do not research how to have a good time at Disney. No way would I go with two weeks notice. That just does not make sense for Disney given the fast pass and planning/reservation approach to having a good time there.

This combo of words is one of the main turn-offs for me.

YOU DIDN'T WORK HARD ENOUGH TO RELAX!!!!!!!!! NO SPREADSHEET? NO FUN!

Could you waltz into Europe with zero planning and be able to do absolutely everything you want to do?

Yes

Then you’ve got low expectations.

You think the world operates like Disney. Sad.

I’ve been to 30 countries. What about you?

I actually plan my trips.

48, lived in 3. You need to plan, people like me do what we want when we want. And that's OK. I don't hate Disney, but the idea that everyone who doesn't plan a trip is doing it wrong is so embarrassing. Its also sad that you compared disney to an entire continent, but I get that we are very different people.

Huh? I compared it to a place with a lot of popular destinations for tourists from around the world. That’s the extent of the similarity, but way to mischaracterize what I wrote.

You can only do what you want when you want at a popular tourist destination if you don’t care to do anything that’s particularly popular.

When we visited Berlin, there was no way we were getting into the Reichstag unless we booked ahead of time, as it’s very popular. When I took my in-laws to Rome, I booked a specific type of Vatican tour, so that we wouldn’t have to wait in an extremely long line. Same with the Colosseum. Could we have just shown up on the day we wanted to visit those things and waited in line? Sure, but none of us wanted to wait for 5 hours. When I took my husband to London, we wanted to hear Prime Minister’s Question Time. For a non-UK citizen to do that, you need to absolutely book ahead of time, as there are very limited tickets. Same thing for a Buckingham Palace tour.

In that way, yes — popular Western European cities are somewhat similar to Disney. You can just show up and wing it, but if your goal is to do popular things, you’re either going to miss out or you’re going to wait in line.

To think you can do what you want when you want at a popular place is ridiculous, unless you want to do things very few other people want to do, or you want to do non-ticketed things, like just walking around and taking in the atmosphere. If that’s your type of trip, great.

But I do agree with you that you and I are very different people. That much we’re in agreement on.

Oh and I’ve lived in 3 countries too. Big whoop.

You're the one who decided to bring up visiting 30 countries, yes? So don't say big whoop when you decided to start the pissing contest.

No, I didn't have to plan ahead to visit any place you mentioned, I guess to quote half this thread, you did it wrong. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:Overpriced, crowds, celebration of the most superficial aspects of capitalism?

This. Also I hate standing in lines.

So you hate going to most places then.

It’s true, we Disney haters actually hate everything. We just sit home and stew in our hatred while you crazy kids go out and live life to the fullest. In Orlando.

I was talking more about the fact that you just hate going to places like Italy during the summer. Horrible lines.

NP, but....yes....? I would never visit Italy in the summer.

As long as we’re clear about the fact that Disney isn’t the only place with horrible lines.

Of course. But if I'm going to suck it up and do a vacation that involves horrible lines, I want it to be for something like the Colosseum. Not Dumbo the Flying Elephant. To each his own.

You mean a place where Romans used gladiators as slave entertainment?

I mean, don’t get me wrong — I went to the Colosseum too, but don’t act like it’s unequivocally superior to a ride.

It’s actually a little sick that we all gawk in awe at a place that was used for some absolutely horrific acts.

Walt Disney isn't perfect. Yikes

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Disney is that I am spending a small fortune to stand in line all day. We don't stay onsite, so there isn't much of an opportunity to go back and relax at the pool.

Fast passes allow you to skip some of the line, but having to set all this up weeks/months before I go seems excessive.

We were given free lodging last minute in Orlando and decided to bring the kids down in October a few years back. We had about 2 weeks notice. Fast passes for the "good" rides weren't even available in such short notice.

I go on vacation to relax. Going to Disney felt the opposite of that - annoyance at the lines/crowds and stress the week or two before wondering if I did all that I could do.

I think a lot of it could be resolved if they put a max on the number of tickets sold per day. But we know that won't happen. Otherwise I feel like I spent close to $800/day to stand in line.

I would put this in the category of people who do not research how to have a good time at Disney. No way would I go with two weeks notice. That just does not make sense for Disney given the fast pass and planning/reservation approach to having a good time there.

This combo of words is one of the main turn-offs for me.

YOU DIDN'T WORK HARD ENOUGH TO RELAX!!!!!!!!! NO SPREADSHEET? NO FUN!

Could you waltz into Europe with zero planning and be able to do absolutely everything you want to do?

Yes

Then you’ve got low expectations.

You think the world operates like Disney. Sad.

I’ve been to 30 countries. What about you?

I actually plan my trips.

48, lived in 3. You need to plan, people like me do what we want when we want. And that's OK. I don't hate Disney, but the idea that everyone who doesn't plan a trip is doing it wrong is so embarrassing. Its also sad that you compared disney to an entire continent, but I get that we are very different people.

Huh? I compared it to a place with a lot of popular destinations for tourists from around the world. That’s the extent of the similarity, but way to mischaracterize what I wrote.

You can only do what you want when you want at a popular tourist destination if you don’t care to do anything that’s particularly popular.

When we visited Berlin, there was no way we were getting into the Reichstag unless we booked ahead of time, as it’s very popular. When I took my in-laws to Rome, I booked a specific type of Vatican tour, so that we wouldn’t have to wait in an extremely long line. Same with the Colosseum. Could we have just shown up on the day we wanted to visit those things and waited in line? Sure, but none of us wanted to wait for 5 hours. When I took my husband to London, we wanted to hear Prime Minister’s Question Time. For a non-UK citizen to do that, you need to absolutely book ahead of time, as there are very limited tickets. Same thing for a Buckingham Palace tour.

In that way, yes — popular Western European cities are somewhat similar to Disney. You can just show up and wing it, but if your goal is to do popular things, you’re either going to miss out or you’re going to wait in line.

To think you can do what you want when you want at a popular place is ridiculous, unless you want to do things very few other people want to do, or you want to do non-ticketed things, like just walking around and taking in the atmosphere. If that’s your type of trip, great.

But I do agree with you that you and I are very different people. That much we’re in agreement on.

Oh and I’ve lived in 3 countries too. Big whoop.

You're the one who decided to bring up visiting 30 countries, yes? So don't say big whoop when you decided to start the pissing contest.

No, I didn't have to plan ahead to visit any place you mentioned, I guess to quote half this thread, you did it wrong. Sorry.

You didn’t have to plan to see PM Question Time? You didn’t have to plan ahead to get Reichstag tickets? You didn’t have to plan ahead to avoid lines for a Vatican tour?

How, pray tell, did you accomplish these things without planning ahead?

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Anonymous wrote:Overpriced, crowds, celebration of the most superficial aspects of capitalism?

This. Also I hate standing in lines.

So you hate going to most places then.

It’s true, we Disney haters actually hate everything. We just sit home and stew in our hatred while you crazy kids go out and live life to the fullest. In Orlando.

I was talking more about the fact that you just hate going to places like Italy during the summer. Horrible lines.

NP, but....yes....? I would never visit Italy in the summer.

As long as we’re clear about the fact that Disney isn’t the only place with horrible lines.

Of course. But if I'm going to suck it up and do a vacation that involves horrible lines, I want it to be for something like the Colosseum. Not Dumbo the Flying Elephant. To each his own.

You mean a place where Romans used gladiators as slave entertainment?

I mean, don’t get me wrong — I went to the Colosseum too, but don’t act like it’s unequivocally superior to a ride.

It’s actually a little sick that we all gawk in awe at a place that was used for some absolutely horrific acts.

Walt Disney isn't perfect. Yikes

And neither are these Western European tourist attractions. That’s my entire point.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there such a hostile pro-Disney commenter here? Very strange. Lady, get off the forum and go do you. Disney doesn't need you to defend it. They're doing just fine without your rabid barking on DCUM.

That's the way DCUM works. See a recent thread of an innocent poster looking for a nice hotel in Ocean City, MD. Thread turned into OC sucks, and the only proper beach trip is staying at a Four Seasons or St. Regis resort in French Polynesia.

That's hilarious. Because it's so much easier to take a weekend trip to French Polynesia. Gotta love DCUM.

It’s the same sort of people who say they’d rather go to Africa or India for that cuisine than eat it at an African or Indian restaurant at Disney.

I mean, under that logic, why should anyone eat anything but American food here?

It’s a bit offensive to have an “African” restaurant. It’s a damn continent, is the food in Morocco identical to that of Zimbabwe?

Oh FFS. Would you say the same thing about Asian fusion, of which there are tons of restaurants across the world?

We are talking about this particular restaurant, “Tiffins”, which apparently bills itself as an African-Indian restaurant. If it were African-Asian I might be like, ok. But to single out one Asian country, and then throw in the entirety of the African continent, is a little lazy and offensive. Yes, I stand by my original statement.

Huh? What you’re saying makes no sense. But I know you want to be offended, so have fun.

And you are the target market for Disney and their “cosmopolitanism”. I rest my case.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there such a hostile pro-Disney commenter here? Very strange. Lady, get off the forum and go do you. Disney doesn't need you to defend it. They're doing just fine without your rabid barking on DCUM.

That's the way DCUM works. See a recent thread of an innocent poster looking for a nice hotel in Ocean City, MD. Thread turned into OC sucks, and the only proper beach trip is staying at a Four Seasons or St. Regis resort in French Polynesia.

That's hilarious. Because it's so much easier to take a weekend trip to French Polynesia. Gotta love DCUM.

It’s the same sort of people who say they’d rather go to Africa or India for that cuisine than eat it at an African or Indian restaurant at Disney.

I mean, under that logic, why should anyone eat anything but American food here?

It’s a bit offensive to have an “African” restaurant. It’s a damn continent, is the food in Morocco identical to that of Zimbabwe?

Oh FFS. Would you say the same thing about Asian fusion, of which there are tons of restaurants across the world?

We are talking about this particular restaurant, “Tiffins”, which apparently bills itself as an African-Indian restaurant. If it were African-Asian I might be like, ok. But to single out one Asian country, and then throw in the entirety of the African continent, is a little lazy and offensive. Yes, I stand by my original statement.

Huh? What you’re saying makes no sense. But I know you want to be offended, so have fun.

And you are the target market for Disney and their “cosmopolitanism”. I rest my case.

You’re a sad person.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there such a hostile pro-Disney commenter here? Very strange. Lady, get off the forum and go do you. Disney doesn't need you to defend it. They're doing just fine without your rabid barking on DCUM.

That's the way DCUM works. See a recent thread of an innocent poster looking for a nice hotel in Ocean City, MD. Thread turned into OC sucks, and the only proper beach trip is staying at a Four Seasons or St. Regis resort in French Polynesia.

That's hilarious. Because it's so much easier to take a weekend trip to French Polynesia. Gotta love DCUM.

It’s the same sort of people who say they’d rather go to Africa or India for that cuisine than eat it at an African or Indian restaurant at Disney.

I mean, under that logic, why should anyone eat anything but American food here?

It’s a bit offensive to have an “African” restaurant. It’s a damn continent, is the food in Morocco identical to that of Zimbabwe?

Oh FFS. Would you say the same thing about Asian fusion, of which there are tons of restaurants across the world?

We are talking about this particular restaurant, “Tiffins”, which apparently bills itself as an African-Indian restaurant. If it were African-Asian I might be like, ok. But to single out one Asian country, and then throw in the entirety of the African continent, is a little lazy and offensive. Yes, I stand by my original statement.

Huh? What you’re saying makes no sense. But I know you want to be offended, so have fun.

And you are the target market for Disney and their “cosmopolitanism”. I rest my case.

You’re a sad person.

Nope. I’m pretty happy, because I never have to go to Disney and eat their shitty food.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there such a hostile pro-Disney commenter here? Very strange. Lady, get off the forum and go do you. Disney doesn't need you to defend it. They're doing just fine without your rabid barking on DCUM.

That's the way DCUM works. See a recent thread of an innocent poster looking for a nice hotel in Ocean City, MD. Thread turned into OC sucks, and the only proper beach trip is staying at a Four Seasons or St. Regis resort in French Polynesia.

That's hilarious. Because it's so much easier to take a weekend trip to French Polynesia. Gotta love DCUM.

It’s the same sort of people who say they’d rather go to Africa or India for that cuisine than eat it at an African or Indian restaurant at Disney.

I mean, under that logic, why should anyone eat anything but American food here?

It’s a bit offensive to have an “African” restaurant. It’s a damn continent, is the food in Morocco identical to that of Zimbabwe?

Oh FFS. Would you say the same thing about Asian fusion, of which there are tons of restaurants across the world?

We are talking about this particular restaurant, “Tiffins”, which apparently bills itself as an African-Indian restaurant. If it were African-Asian I might be like, ok. But to single out one Asian country, and then throw in the entirety of the African continent, is a little lazy and offensive. Yes, I stand by my original statement.

Huh? What you’re saying makes no sense. But I know you want to be offended, so have fun.

And you are the target market for Disney and their “cosmopolitanism”. I rest my case.

You’re a sad person.

Nope. I’m pretty happy, because I never have to go to Disney and eat their shitty food.

Oh I see! You judge things you’ve never experienced.

That’s smart. Keep on living like that, PP. Forming strong opinions about things you’ve never experienced is a great way to adopt a critical thinking-driven way of life.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Disney is that I am spending a small fortune to stand in line all day. We don't stay onsite, so there isn't much of an opportunity to go back and relax at the pool.

Fast passes allow you to skip some of the line, but having to set all this up weeks/months before I go seems excessive.

We were given free lodging last minute in Orlando and decided to bring the kids down in October a few years back. We had about 2 weeks notice. Fast passes for the "good" rides weren't even available in such short notice.

I go on vacation to relax. Going to Disney felt the opposite of that - annoyance at the lines/crowds and stress the week or two before wondering if I did all that I could do.

I think a lot of it could be resolved if they put a max on the number of tickets sold per day. But we know that won't happen. Otherwise I feel like I spent close to $800/day to stand in line.

I would put this in the category of people who do not research how to have a good time at Disney. No way would I go with two weeks notice. That just does not make sense for Disney given the fast pass and planning/reservation approach to having a good time there.

This combo of words is one of the main turn-offs for me.

YOU DIDN'T WORK HARD ENOUGH TO RELAX!!!!!!!!! NO SPREADSHEET? NO FUN!

Could you waltz into Europe with zero planning and be able to do absolutely everything you want to do?

Yes

Then you’ve got low expectations.

You think the world operates like Disney. Sad.

I’ve been to 30 countries. What about you?

I actually plan my trips.

48, lived in 3. You need to plan, people like me do what we want when we want. And that's OK. I don't hate Disney, but the idea that everyone who doesn't plan a trip is doing it wrong is so embarrassing. Its also sad that you compared disney to an entire continent, but I get that we are very different people.

Huh? I compared it to a place with a lot of popular destinations for tourists from around the world. That’s the extent of the similarity, but way to mischaracterize what I wrote.

You can only do what you want when you want at a popular tourist destination if you don’t care to do anything that’s particularly popular.

When we visited Berlin, there was no way we were getting into the Reichstag unless we booked ahead of time, as it’s very popular. When I took my in-laws to Rome, I booked a specific type of Vatican tour, so that we wouldn’t have to wait in an extremely long line. Same with the Colosseum. Could we have just shown up on the day we wanted to visit those things and waited in line? Sure, but none of us wanted to wait for 5 hours. When I took my husband to London, we wanted to hear Prime Minister’s Question Time. For a non-UK citizen to do that, you need to absolutely book ahead of time, as there are very limited tickets. Same thing for a Buckingham Palace tour.

In that way, yes — popular Western European cities are somewhat similar to Disney. You can just show up and wing it, but if your goal is to do popular things, you’re either going to miss out or you’re going to wait in line.

To think you can do what you want when you want at a popular place is ridiculous, unless you want to do things very few other people want to do, or you want to do non-ticketed things, like just walking around and taking in the atmosphere. If that’s your type of trip, great.

But I do agree with you that you and I are very different people. That much we’re in agreement on.

Oh and I’ve lived in 3 countries too. Big whoop.

You're the one who decided to bring up visiting 30 countries, yes? So don't say big whoop when you decided to start the pissing contest.

No, I didn't have to plan ahead to visit any place you mentioned, I guess to quote half this thread, you did it wrong. Sorry.

You didn’t have to plan to see PM Question Time? You didn’t have to plan ahead to get Reichstag tickets? You didn’t have to plan ahead to avoid lines for a Vatican tour?

How, pray tell, did you accomplish these things without planning ahead?

You can buy whatever you want, often with no planning. If this is shocking or confusing, again, we are very different.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Disney is that I am spending a small fortune to stand in line all day. We don't stay onsite, so there isn't much of an opportunity to go back and relax at the pool.

Fast passes allow you to skip some of the line, but having to set all this up weeks/months before I go seems excessive.

We were given free lodging last minute in Orlando and decided to bring the kids down in October a few years back. We had about 2 weeks notice. Fast passes for the "good" rides weren't even available in such short notice.

I go on vacation to relax. Going to Disney felt the opposite of that - annoyance at the lines/crowds and stress the week or two before wondering if I did all that I could do.

I think a lot of it could be resolved if they put a max on the number of tickets sold per day. But we know that won't happen. Otherwise I feel like I spent close to $800/day to stand in line.

I would put this in the category of people who do not research how to have a good time at Disney. No way would I go with two weeks notice. That just does not make sense for Disney given the fast pass and planning/reservation approach to having a good time there.

This combo of words is one of the main turn-offs for me.

YOU DIDN'T WORK HARD ENOUGH TO RELAX!!!!!!!!! NO SPREADSHEET? NO FUN!

Could you waltz into Europe with zero planning and be able to do absolutely everything you want to do?

Yes

Then you’ve got low expectations.

You think the world operates like Disney. Sad.

I’ve been to 30 countries. What about you?

I actually plan my trips.

48, lived in 3. You need to plan, people like me do what we want when we want. And that's OK. I don't hate Disney, but the idea that everyone who doesn't plan a trip is doing it wrong is so embarrassing. Its also sad that you compared disney to an entire continent, but I get that we are very different people.

Huh? I compared it to a place with a lot of popular destinations for tourists from around the world. That’s the extent of the similarity, but way to mischaracterize what I wrote.

You can only do what you want when you want at a popular tourist destination if you don’t care to do anything that’s particularly popular.

When we visited Berlin, there was no way we were getting into the Reichstag unless we booked ahead of time, as it’s very popular. When I took my in-laws to Rome, I booked a specific type of Vatican tour, so that we wouldn’t have to wait in an extremely long line. Same with the Colosseum. Could we have just shown up on the day we wanted to visit those things and waited in line? Sure, but none of us wanted to wait for 5 hours. When I took my husband to London, we wanted to hear Prime Minister’s Question Time. For a non-UK citizen to do that, you need to absolutely book ahead of time, as there are very limited tickets. Same thing for a Buckingham Palace tour.

In that way, yes — popular Western European cities are somewhat similar to Disney. You can just show up and wing it, but if your goal is to do popular things, you’re either going to miss out or you’re going to wait in line.

To think you can do what you want when you want at a popular place is ridiculous, unless you want to do things very few other people want to do, or you want to do non-ticketed things, like just walking around and taking in the atmosphere. If that’s your type of trip, great.

But I do agree with you that you and I are very different people. That much we’re in agreement on.

Oh and I’ve lived in 3 countries too. Big whoop.

You're the one who decided to bring up visiting 30 countries, yes? So don't say big whoop when you decided to start the pissing contest.

No, I didn't have to plan ahead to visit any place you mentioned, I guess to quote half this thread, you did it wrong. Sorry.

You didn’t have to plan to see PM Question Time? You didn’t have to plan ahead to get Reichstag tickets? You didn’t have to plan ahead to avoid lines for a Vatican tour?

How, pray tell, did you accomplish these things without planning ahead?

You can buy whatever you want, often with no planning. If this is shocking or confusing, again, we are very different.

You’re just factually wrong. It’s so sad to watch you dig your heels in further and further on something that’s so clearly false.

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Here’s guidance from one MP’s office on how to attend PMQs: https://www.chrischope.com/tickets-prime-ministers-question-time

Note: “All visitors can request access to the galleries on the day at any time when either House is sitting. Admission is, however,subject to availability and is not guaranteed as Question Time is very busy, so obtaining tickets in advance is highly advised.”

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Disney is that I am spending a small fortune to stand in line all day. We don't stay onsite, so there isn't much of an opportunity to go back and relax at the pool.

Fast passes allow you to skip some of the line, but having to set all this up weeks/months before I go seems excessive.

We were given free lodging last minute in Orlando and decided to bring the kids down in October a few years back. We had about 2 weeks notice. Fast passes for the "good" rides weren't even available in such short notice.

I go on vacation to relax. Going to Disney felt the opposite of that - annoyance at the lines/crowds and stress the week or two before wondering if I did all that I could do.

I think a lot of it could be resolved if they put a max on the number of tickets sold per day. But we know that won't happen. Otherwise I feel like I spent close to $800/day to stand in line.

I would put this in the category of people who do not research how to have a good time at Disney. No way would I go with two weeks notice. That just does not make sense for Disney given the fast pass and planning/reservation approach to having a good time there.

This combo of words is one of the main turn-offs for me.

YOU DIDN'T WORK HARD ENOUGH TO RELAX!!!!!!!!! NO SPREADSHEET? NO FUN!

Could you waltz into Europe with zero planning and be able to do absolutely everything you want to do?

Yes

Then you’ve got low expectations.

You think the world operates like Disney. Sad.

I’ve been to 30 countries. What about you?

I actually plan my trips.

48, lived in 3. You need to plan, people like me do what we want when we want. And that's OK. I don't hate Disney, but the idea that everyone who doesn't plan a trip is doing it wrong is so embarrassing. Its also sad that you compared disney to an entire continent, but I get that we are very different people.

Huh? I compared it to a place with a lot of popular destinations for tourists from around the world. That’s the extent of the similarity, but way to mischaracterize what I wrote.

You can only do what you want when you want at a popular tourist destination if you don’t care to do anything that’s particularly popular.

When we visited Berlin, there was no way we were getting into the Reichstag unless we booked ahead of time, as it’s very popular. When I took my in-laws to Rome, I booked a specific type of Vatican tour, so that we wouldn’t have to wait in an extremely long line. Same with the Colosseum. Could we have just shown up on the day we wanted to visit those things and waited in line? Sure, but none of us wanted to wait for 5 hours. When I took my husband to London, we wanted to hear Prime Minister’s Question Time. For a non-UK citizen to do that, you need to absolutely book ahead of time, as there are very limited tickets. Same thing for a Buckingham Palace tour.

In that way, yes — popular Western European cities are somewhat similar to Disney. You can just show up and wing it, but if your goal is to do popular things, you’re either going to miss out or you’re going to wait in line.

To think you can do what you want when you want at a popular place is ridiculous, unless you want to do things very few other people want to do, or you want to do non-ticketed things, like just walking around and taking in the atmosphere. If that’s your type of trip, great.

But I do agree with you that you and I are very different people. That much we’re in agreement on.

Oh and I’ve lived in 3 countries too. Big whoop.

You're the one who decided to bring up visiting 30 countries, yes? So don't say big whoop when you decided to start the pissing contest.

No, I didn't have to plan ahead to visit any place you mentioned, I guess to quote half this thread, you did it wrong. Sorry.

You didn’t have to plan to see PM Question Time? You didn’t have to plan ahead to get Reichstag tickets? You didn’t have to plan ahead to avoid lines for a Vatican tour?

How, pray tell, did you accomplish these things without planning ahead?

You can buy whatever you want, often with no planning. If this is shocking or confusing, again, we are very different.

You’re just factually wrong. It’s so sad to watch you dig your heels in further and further on something that’s so clearly false.

I guess you can believe what you want.

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Anonymous wrote:My issue with Disney is that I am spending a small fortune to stand in line all day. We don't stay onsite, so there isn't much of an opportunity to go back and relax at the pool.

Fast passes allow you to skip some of the line, but having to set all this up weeks/months before I go seems excessive.

We were given free lodging last minute in Orlando and decided to bring the kids down in October a few years back. We had about 2 weeks notice. Fast passes for the "good" rides weren't even available in such short notice.

I go on vacation to relax. Going to Disney felt the opposite of that - annoyance at the lines/crowds and stress the week or two before wondering if I did all that I could do.

I think a lot of it could be resolved if they put a max on the number of tickets sold per day. But we know that won't happen. Otherwise I feel like I spent close to $800/day to stand in line.

I would put this in the category of people who do not research how to have a good time at Disney. No way would I go with two weeks notice. That just does not make sense for Disney given the fast pass and planning/reservation approach to having a good time there.

This combo of words is one of the main turn-offs for me.

YOU DIDN'T WORK HARD ENOUGH TO RELAX!!!!!!!!! NO SPREADSHEET? NO FUN!

Could you waltz into Europe with zero planning and be able to do absolutely everything you want to do?

Yes

Then you’ve got low expectations.

You think the world operates like Disney. Sad.

I’ve been to 30 countries. What about you?

I actually plan my trips.

48, lived in 3. You need to plan, people like me do what we want when we want. And that's OK. I don't hate Disney, but the idea that everyone who doesn't plan a trip is doing it wrong is so embarrassing. Its also sad that you compared disney to an entire continent, but I get that we are very different people.

Huh? I compared it to a place with a lot of popular destinations for tourists from around the world. That’s the extent of the similarity, but way to mischaracterize what I wrote.

You can only do what you want when you want at a popular tourist destination if you don’t care to do anything that’s particularly popular.

When we visited Berlin, there was no way we were getting into the Reichstag unless we booked ahead of time, as it’s very popular. When I took my in-laws to Rome, I booked a specific type of Vatican tour, so that we wouldn’t have to wait in an extremely long line. Same with the Colosseum. Could we have just shown up on the day we wanted to visit those things and waited in line? Sure, but none of us wanted to wait for 5 hours. When I took my husband to London, we wanted to hear Prime Minister’s Question Time. For a non-UK citizen to do that, you need to absolutely book ahead of time, as there are very limited tickets. Same thing for a Buckingham Palace tour.

In that way, yes — popular Western European cities are somewhat similar to Disney. You can just show up and wing it, but if your goal is to do popular things, you’re either going to miss out or you’re going to wait in line.

To think you can do what you want when you want at a popular place is ridiculous, unless you want to do things very few other people want to do, or you want to do non-ticketed things, like just walking around and taking in the atmosphere. If that’s your type of trip, great.

But I do agree with you that you and I are very different people. That much we’re in agreement on.

Oh and I’ve lived in 3 countries too. Big whoop.

You're the one who decided to bring up visiting 30 countries, yes? So don't say big whoop when you decided to start the pissing contest.

No, I didn't have to plan ahead to visit any place you mentioned, I guess to quote half this thread, you did it wrong. Sorry.

You didn’t have to plan to see PM Question Time? You didn’t have to plan ahead to get Reichstag tickets? You didn’t have to plan ahead to avoid lines for a Vatican tour?

How, pray tell, did you accomplish these things without planning ahead?

You can buy whatever you want, often with no planning. If this is shocking or confusing, again, we are very different.

You’re just factually wrong. It’s so sad to watch you dig your heels in further and further on something that’s so clearly false.

I guess you can believe what you want.

I pasted a link above to an MP’s website, explaining that you need to book tickets to PMQs ahead of time.

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Here’s a guide by a London resident, explaining what you need to book in advance:

https://katsgoneglobal.com/do-you-need-to-book-ahead-to-enjoy-london/

But sure — you can always just wing it and do whatever you want whenever you want to, right?