US vs Thailand

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Anonymous wrote:The real question is why are so many throwing them under the bus, and so conveniently ignoring that our players went over to comfort the Thai players after the final whistle?

Perhaps it’s because it’s viewed by some as unbecoming for women to crush, dominate, celebrate and not apologize for it, but it’s taken as a given that as women they should provide comfort

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Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Out of curiosity I checked this out, and it looked to me like Germany did celebrate the later goals. Maybe not to the same extent as the USNWT, but hugging, high fiving, holding up number one sign, etc.

PP here - so I’m going to assume that men and women athletes sometimes behave similarly sometimes. So I’ll ask again - what’s the real reason everyone is so triggered by all of this celebration stuff? I’m not asking WHAT you think they did wrong, I’m asking WHY you think what they did was wrong. Are you concerned that the Americans hurt the Thai team’s feelings and made them feel bad? Are you concerned that it reflects badly on the US? Is it such a strong affront to your personal moral code that you just need to vent about it? Why do you care if a few women athletes acted differently than you would have? Curious so please don’t attack.

I can only answer personally. More than many sports, the USNWT and women's professional soccer is marketed to and supported by young girls. Elementary and tween age. Go to any Washington Spirit game and look around and see the gender and age range of who is there all excited in their team gear. While I absolutely want female athletes to model athleticism and competitiveness to my young daughters I also want them to model integrity and character. In the US vs. Thailand game I do not feel that these amazing women athletes set the right example for the young girls who watch and look up to them. If a sport markets to a certain demographic you then have a responsibility to serve that demographic. In my opinion, the US women's soccer team failed to do so in that game.

I'll take my daughter learning the culture of celebrating goals in soccer over her learning the culture of domestic violence, drugs, and sexual assault in the NFL.

and these are your daughter's only options?

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Yes all men don’t act like that. Ever. And women do. Because they can’t control their emotions. But should.

Men do not, no. Not interested in speculating on what other women athletes do, but my guess is they on average don't either.

Sorry you are a fan of a team whose behavior is hard to defend.

You're so right. Why, if you go to google and search "soccer player celebrate goals" it's all pictures of women. Men have too much self control.

https://www.google.com/search?q=soccer+player+celebrate+goals&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9wsOH9OTiAhUshuAKHemKAY0Q_AUIESgC&biw=1316&bih=602

Oh wait.

Yeah, google image search results are definitely a fair representation of how people celebrate when they go up 9-0, 10-0, 11-0, etc. in a game.

With logic like that... Hmm...

So is it men never celebrate, or men never celebrate when they're up by ... What number exactly?
Because PP pointed out that Germany was still celebrating later goals. In a game where they did not have to go up by many goals in anticipation of future play. They knew what they needed, and it was a simple win, and instead they crushed their opponent.

Hmm. Maybe the men aren't the pure example of "too cool to celebrate" or "not rubbing it in" or whatever it is you think the women have done.

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Anonymous wrote:The real question is why are so many throwing them under the bus, and so conveniently ignoring that our players went over to comfort the Thai players after the final whistle?

And ignoring that the Thai team has said the US team was fine.

But see, none of that plays. People have to tear women down, especially successful women.

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I just don't understand what there was for the women's team to celebrate.
Good that they went out there to win and won big. That is their job.
But their level of celebration was embarrassing.
Did they really not expect to beat them?
My daughter plays DA (CA) and it is as if her U18/19 team played some U9 travel team and made a fuss after the 9th, 10th, etc. goals. WTF?
I guess a goal is a goal but when you are so far more dominant than your opponent maybe getting a goal is not all that impressive and you just need to chill.

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Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Out of curiosity I checked this out, and it looked to me like Germany did celebrate the later goals. Maybe not to the same extent as the USNWT, but hugging, high fiving, holding up number one sign, etc.

PP here - so I’m going to assume that men and women athletes sometimes behave similarly sometimes. So I’ll ask again - what’s the real reason everyone is so triggered by all of this celebration stuff? I’m not asking WHAT you think they did wrong, I’m asking WHY you think what they did was wrong. Are you concerned that the Americans hurt the Thai team’s feelings and made them feel bad? Are you concerned that it reflects badly on the US? Is it such a strong affront to your personal moral code that you just need to vent about it? Why do you care if a few women athletes acted differently than you would have? Curious so please don’t attack.

I can only answer personally. More than many sports, the USNWT and women's professional soccer is marketed to and supported by young girls. Elementary and tween age. Go to any Washington Spirit game and look around and see the gender and age range of who is there all excited in their team gear. While I absolutely want female athletes to model athleticism and competitiveness to my young daughters I also want them to model integrity and character. In the US vs. Thailand game I do not feel that these amazing women athletes set the right example for the young girls who watch and look up to them. If a sport markets to a certain demographic you then have a responsibility to serve that demographic. In my opinion, the US women's soccer team failed to do so in that game.

I'll take my daughter learning the culture of celebrating goals in soccer over her learning the culture of domestic violence, drugs, and sexual assault in the NFL.

and these are your daughter's only options?

If I'm picking all the athletes from a particular sport as her role models? There aren't exactly many good choices.

But lets continue to hold women to a higher standard than we'd ever consider holding men to. It works so well!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand what there was for the women's team to celebrate.
Good that they went out there to win and won big. That is their job.
But their level of celebration was embarrassing.
Did they really not expect to beat them?
My daughter plays DA (CA) and it is as if her U18/19 team played some U9 travel team and made a fuss after the 9th, 10th, etc. goals. WTF?
I guess a goal is a goal but when you are so far more dominant than your opponent maybe getting a goal is not all that impressive and you just need to chill.

The culture of high level, competitive soccer is to celebrate goals. I'm surprised you have a child who plays soccer and you're not aware of this. Have you never watched a match? It's as much a part of the culture as faking injury is.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand what there was for the women's team to celebrate.
Good that they went out there to win and won big. That is their job.
But their level of celebration was embarrassing.
Did they really not expect to beat them?
My daughter plays DA (CA) and it is as if her U18/19 team played some U9 travel team and made a fuss after the 9th, 10th, etc. goals. WTF?
I guess a goal is a goal but when you are so far more dominant than your opponent maybe getting a goal is not all that impressive and you just need to chill.

The culture of high level, competitive soccer is to celebrate goals. I'm surprised you have a child who plays soccer and you're not aware of this. Have you never watched a match? It's as much a part of the culture as faking injury is.

My daughter's team celebrates goals and this past season there was a lot to celebrate.
CA soccer is on a totally different level than most other areas of the country.
But when you play a team that is so far beneath your level I ask again what exactly are you celebrating?

[Anonymous]

“Honestly, if anyone wants to come at our team for not doing the right thing, not playing the right way, not being the right ambassador for the sport, they can come at us," Rapinoe said.

Yes. Bring it. These women are awesome and strong. If I ever played in a World Cup match at any stage and scored, damn straight I’d celebrate too.

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Anonymous wrote:“Honestly, if anyone wants to come at our team for not doing the right thing, not playing the right way, not being the right ambassador for the sport, they can come at us," Rapinoe said.

Yes. Bring it. These women are awesome and strong. If I ever played in a World Cup match at any stage and scored, damn straight I’d celebrate too.

I leg fart in her general direction

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That’s pretty much what it boils down to. People can have their opinions. You can can dislike how they celebrated or you can be indifferent about it. Other teams should step up their game against them and keep them from doing that, stop them and beat them if they are so unsportsmanlike. Until then get over it. They’re not playing dirty, not time wasting or trying to deceive officials. They displayed sportsmanship after the final whistle and the Thai players themselves understood that it was their prerogative to celebrate their goals however they wanted. I understand some will be upset by that but I will also take those opinions with a grain of salt.

Should there be rules for excessive celebration? Because that worked sooo well in the NFL. Yawn.

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I am ok with the score, but not ok with the celebrations when it is past certain point. I think it was classless.

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The culture of high level, competitive soccer is to celebrate goals. I'm surprised you have a child who plays soccer and you're not aware of this. Have you never watched a match? It's as much a part of the culture as faking injury is.

Really - over the top celebrations of blowout goals is part of soccer culture? Not that I have seen - certainly not on my son's team. Our parents and coach would not tolerate our kids behaving that way. Megan Rapinoe's and a few of Alex Morgan's goal celebrations were ridiculous for almost any goal let alone for late goals that put a team up 9-0 or more. They need to grow up - their behavior is embarrassing. These are World Cup and Gold Medal winners - act like you have been there before. Or keep playing the sexism card.

Keep apologizing for them if you want. I am looking for a new team to root for in the tournament.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand what there was for the women's team to celebrate.
Good that they went out there to win and won big. That is their job.
But their level of celebration was embarrassing.
Did they really not expect to beat them?
My daughter plays DA (CA) and it is as if her U18/19 team played some U9 travel team and made a fuss after the 9th, 10th, etc. goals. WTF?
I guess a goal is a goal but when you are so far more dominant than your opponent maybe getting a goal is not all that impressive and you just need to chill.

The culture of high level, competitive soccer is to celebrate goals. I'm surprised you have a child who plays soccer and you're not aware of this. Have you never watched a match? It's as much a part of the culture as faking injury is.

My daughter's team celebrates goals and this past season there was a lot to celebrate.
CA soccer is on a totally different level than most other areas of the country.
But when you play a team that is so far beneath your level I ask again what exactly are you celebrating?

Ask your daughter how big a deal it would to her to
1. Make the US national team
2. Have that team make it to the World Cup groups
3. Score a goal on the World Cup stage

I'm guessing she won't shrug and say "whatever."

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Should there be rules for excessive celebration? Because that worked sooo well in the NFL. Yawn.

Hasn't it though? I feel like there's much less celebrating in the NFL than there used to be.