US vs Thailand

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Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Out of curiosity I checked this out, and it looked to me like Germany did celebrate the later goals. Maybe not to the same extent as the USNWT, but hugging, high fiving, holding up number one sign, etc.

PP here - so I’m going to assume that men and women athletes sometimes behave similarly sometimes. So I’ll ask again - what’s the real reason everyone is so triggered by all of this celebration stuff? I’m not asking WHAT you think they did wrong, I’m asking WHY you think what they did was wrong. Are you concerned that the Americans hurt the Thai team’s feelings and made them feel bad? Are you concerned that it reflects badly on the US? Is it such a strong affront to your personal moral code that you just need to vent about it? Why do you care if a few women athletes acted differently than you would have? Curious so please don’t attack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Out of curiosity I checked this out, and it looked to me like Germany did celebrate the later goals. Maybe not to the same extent as the USNWT, but hugging, high fiving, holding up number one sign, etc.

PP here - so I’m going to assume that men and women athletes sometimes behave similarly sometimes. So I’ll ask again - what’s the real reason everyone is so triggered by all of this celebration stuff? I’m not asking WHAT you think they did wrong, I’m asking WHY you think what they did was wrong. Are you concerned that the Americans hurt the Thai team’s feelings and made them feel bad? Are you concerned that it reflects badly on the US? Is it such a strong affront to your personal moral code that you just need to vent about it? Why do you care if a few women athletes acted differently than you would have? Curious so please don’t attack.

I can only answer personally. More than many sports, the USNWT and women's professional soccer is marketed to and supported by young girls. Elementary and tween age. Go to any Washington Spirit game and look around and see the gender and age range of who is there all excited in their team gear. While I absolutely want female athletes to model athleticism and competitiveness to my young daughters I also want them to model integrity and character. In the US vs. Thailand game I do not feel that these amazing women athletes set the right example for the young girls who watch and look up to them. If a sport markets to a certain demographic you then have a responsibility to serve that demographic. In my opinion, the US women's soccer team failed to do so in that game.

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I was thrilled that Mal Pugh scored her first WC goal, I was happy to celebrate even though it was #11 or something. I was happy that the team put in some more junior members os they could get these moments.

Also the team is suing for equal pay. Doesn't hurt that they are breaking records on the way to hopefully winning this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Out of curiosity I checked this out, and it looked to me like Germany did celebrate the later goals. Maybe not to the same extent as the USNWT, but hugging, high fiving, holding up number one sign, etc.

PP here - so I’m going to assume that men and women athletes sometimes behave similarly sometimes. So I’ll ask again - what’s the real reason everyone is so triggered by all of this celebration stuff? I’m not asking WHAT you think they did wrong, I’m asking WHY you think what they did was wrong. Are you concerned that the Americans hurt the Thai team’s feelings and made them feel bad? Are you concerned that it reflects badly on the US? Is it such a strong affront to your personal moral code that you just need to vent about it? Why do you care if a few women athletes acted differently than you would have? Curious so please don’t attack.

I can only answer personally. More than many sports, the USNWT and women's professional soccer is marketed to and supported by young girls. Elementary and tween age. Go to any Washington Spirit game and look around and see the gender and age range of who is there all excited in their team gear. While I absolutely want female athletes to model athleticism and competitiveness to my young daughters I also want them to model integrity and character. In the US vs. Thailand game I do not feel that these amazing women athletes set the right example for the young girls who watch and look up to them. If a sport markets to a certain demographic you then have a responsibility to serve that demographic. In my opinion, the US women's soccer team failed to do so in that game.

I just threw up in my mouth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Out of curiosity I checked this out, and it looked to me like Germany did celebrate the later goals. Maybe not to the same extent as the USNWT, but hugging, high fiving, holding up number one sign, etc.

PP here - so I’m going to assume that men and women athletes sometimes behave similarly sometimes. So I’ll ask again - what’s the real reason everyone is so triggered by all of this celebration stuff? I’m not asking WHAT you think they did wrong, I’m asking WHY you think what they did was wrong. Are you concerned that the Americans hurt the Thai team’s feelings and made them feel bad? Are you concerned that it reflects badly on the US? Is it such a strong affront to your personal moral code that you just need to vent about it? Why do you care if a few women athletes acted differently than you would have? Curious so please don’t attack.

I can only answer personally. More than many sports, the USNWT and women's professional soccer is marketed to and supported by young girls. Elementary and tween age. Go to any Washington Spirit game and look around and see the gender and age range of who is there all excited in their team gear. While I absolutely want female athletes to model athleticism and competitiveness to my young daughters I also want them to model integrity and character. In the US vs. Thailand game I do not feel that these amazing women athletes set the right example for the young girls who watch and look up to them. If a sport markets to a certain demographic you then have a responsibility to serve that demographic. In my opinion, the US women's soccer team failed to do so in that game.

Thanks, I get that. It’s interesting bc my 12 year old travel player said he thought Rapinoe’s goal celebration was “weird,” asked me why they were celebrating so much when it wasn’t “like beating France or something,” that he felt bad for the Thai team, but that he was glad the US won. Pretty much sums up the mess of emotions some fans had that day!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thought exercise: Did anyone ever criticize these Super Bowl winners for continuing to score?

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/05/biggest-blowouts-super-bowl-history

That is the finals of that chosen sport. Do those players celebrate when they pummel say a bottom ranked Cleveland of hte past decade or a late 70's early 80's Saints or the 80's Buccaneers? No, because they know they are supposed to beat those teams.

Yesterday was not the World Cup finals and your comparing their celebrations to Super Bowl games demonstrates that you don't understand the difference.

So as a Marylander, can I call out all the teams that have crushed the Orioles this season for being unsportsmanlike? Everyone knows we're rebuilding. They could beat us by a couple of runs. Beating us by so many is trashy. Right?

It isn't about the score. It is celebrating single game, double digit goals as if you WON the World Cup.

Do you realize that winning the World Cup is a very rare thing? And that airplane arms, jump-hugging a teammate, dancing, running up to a teammate and congratulating her, all of those are perfectly normal, ordinary things in games that are much, much less important than a World Cup game? These are the final games before the World Cup. It's huge. It's a tremendously big deal. This is what these women have been working for their whole lives. Most World Cup players don't score goals. Most World Cup players don't make it into the final game. Scoring a goal in a game, even not in the final, is a huge accomplishment.

If you don't understand that, your criticism of these women is based on an ignorance that renders your opinion entirely meaningless.

They didn't win World Cup yesterday. It was the first win in group stage. It is a long tournament and yesterday they took just the first step. And to those teams who lost their first game this week, they have not yet been eliminated from World Cup yet either.

This is World Cup play. They were celebrating as if they were in the very rare lead-up to the World Cup. This isn't like the World Series or SuperBowl. It's a much bigger deal. So you better believe celebrating goals, especially when the culture of soccer is already to celebrate goals even in low-level matches, is a reasonable thing.

Watch the games. When someone scores, there's likely going to be a celebration. Sometimes, even a celebration that seems over the top. It's the game.

[Anonymous]

At least, nobody complains about our men's team running up the scores or celebrating too much.

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Anonymous wrote:Male athletes usually do not act like this in situations like this

In discussions online in other places, I've seen lots of cases of superior teams running the score up but not celebrating at all

They don’t? So is this a female thing or just particular to a few specific people who happen to be women?

No, they don't. I do not watch enough blowouts in women's sports to know how many women on average celebrate with such little class, but my guess is this team is worse than average.

My post was in response to the PP who said this: "Never have I seen such outrage directed toward male athletes."

Go spend some time on youtube watching men's soccer. You'll realize that male soccer players do indeed celebrate goals. And that within the range of "celebrating goals" even Rapinoe - the celebration that is being criticized here and being used to insult and demean the entire team - isn't out of bounds.

Really? Show me men celebrating the 8th or 9th goal in a blowout. There is a difference between a game winning goal vs the 8th goal in a blowout. Sounds like you are in love with the team and really can not see anything through your rose colored glasses.

"Show me a man celebrating his first every World Cup goal. Doesn't happen!"
"Show me a man celebrating a tie for the most goals ever scored by a single player in a World Cup game. Doesn't happen!"

Mm hmm. Keep trying.

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Well that’d be Zidane. The man doesn’t exactly wear his emotions on his sleeve.

Right? Anyway --
Mr Head Butt as a model of class and integrity.

Leg farts notwithstanding, expressions of joy are a-ok in my book. I hope my daughter never feels the need to withhold expressions of happiness because they would make other people sad. It's not pie.

Meanwhile, Brazil-Germany was different from a team perspective for a host of reasons, but mainly because goal difference was a non-factor at that stage. Schurrle -- bless him, that was really peak for him, wasn't it? -- celebrated but it wasn't ostentatious. On the other hand, celebration culture has exploded with social media. So... in no way was this apples-to-apples.

FWIW, I was both cringing and celebrating watching the game. I loved the joy but could see the backlash happening in real time, and regret that instead of celebrating the team's record-breaking performance, we're critiquing the players' celebrations.

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Yes all men don’t act like that. Ever. And women do. Because they can’t control their emotions. But should.

Men do not, no. Not interested in speculating on what other women athletes do, but my guess is they on average don't either.

Sorry you are a fan of a team whose behavior is hard to defend.

You're so right. Why, if you go to google and search "soccer player celebrate goals" it's all pictures of women. Men have too much self control.

https://www.google.com/search?q=soccer+player+celebrate+goals&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9wsOH9OTiAhUshuAKHemKAY0Q_AUIESgC&biw=1316&bih=602

Oh wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Germany was so rude there. They just had to win the game and they'd make it to the finals. They didn't need to score 7. So rude.

Tsk. Tsk. What do you expect from men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Out of curiosity I checked this out, and it looked to me like Germany did celebrate the later goals. Maybe not to the same extent as the USNWT, but hugging, high fiving, holding up number one sign, etc.

PP here - so I’m going to assume that men and women athletes sometimes behave similarly sometimes. So I’ll ask again - what’s the real reason everyone is so triggered by all of this celebration stuff? I’m not asking WHAT you think they did wrong, I’m asking WHY you think what they did was wrong. Are you concerned that the Americans hurt the Thai team’s feelings and made them feel bad? Are you concerned that it reflects badly on the US? Is it such a strong affront to your personal moral code that you just need to vent about it? Why do you care if a few women athletes acted differently than you would have? Curious so please don’t attack.

I can only answer personally. More than many sports, the USNWT and women's professional soccer is marketed to and supported by young girls. Elementary and tween age. Go to any Washington Spirit game and look around and see the gender and age range of who is there all excited in their team gear. While I absolutely want female athletes to model athleticism and competitiveness to my young daughters I also want them to model integrity and character. In the US vs. Thailand game I do not feel that these amazing women athletes set the right example for the young girls who watch and look up to them. If a sport markets to a certain demographic you then have a responsibility to serve that demographic. In my opinion, the US women's soccer team failed to do so in that game.

I'll take my daughter learning the culture of celebrating goals in soccer over her learning the culture of domestic violence, drugs, and sexual assault in the NFL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Check out the Germany vs Brazil World Cup. The Germans do not even celebrate the later goals.

yeah, and that was in a world cup SEMIFINAL vs the first game of group play

I am talking about the 7-1 blowout in the World Cup. The Germans were not even trying in the second 1/2 ie they called off the dogs. The Germans could have easily beat Brazil 12-0. This is all on the US coach. She made offensive substitutions when the game was a blowout. Clear middle finger to the other team/country. The fangirls and boys have no clue. If you did this to an establish male or female team, they will start to take out your players. If Rapinoe played in the premier league and did what she did...she would not be walking off the pitch.

Right - I know. It was the semfinal game of the world cup -- 2 games away from being champions -- instead of the very first game of the whole tournament.

Yup, I agree with you completely

[Anonymous]

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Yes all men don’t act like that. Ever. And women do. Because they can’t control their emotions. But should.

Men do not, no. Not interested in speculating on what other women athletes do, but my guess is they on average don't either.

Sorry you are a fan of a team whose behavior is hard to defend.

You're so right. Why, if you go to google and search "soccer player celebrate goals" it's all pictures of women. Men have too much self control.

https://www.google.com/search?q=soccer+player+celebrate+goals&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj9wsOH9OTiAhUshuAKHemKAY0Q_AUIESgC&biw=1316&bih=602

Oh wait.

Yeah, google image search results are definitely a fair representation of how people celebrate when they go up 9-0, 10-0, 11-0, etc. in a game.

With logic like that... Hmm...

[Anonymous]

The real question is why are so many throwing them under the bus, and so conveniently ignoring that our players went over to comfort the Thai players after the final whistle?