Wilson honors for all - how has it worked?

[Anonymous]

Would you two get a room already? You are derailing this thread.

[Anonymous]

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You did not answer my question. In fact, you seem to have gone way out your way not to answer it. And your emotional need to attach an inflammatory name ("white fragility") to the banal notion that people get defensive does not speak well of you.

I asked you before to "please be more careful with your accusations". You clearly ignored that reasonable request. First, I did not "to try to explain away experiences like the Uber experience" which I specifically described as a "shitty" thing to happen to a kid. I simply tried to dig deeper into the issue using a "thought experiment" so that we could properly characterize it. Somehow this went over your head. Second, you accused me of "denying that life is easier for white people" which I never did. In fact, I explicitly stated that "I don't deny racism or its history." Of course life is easier when, for example, you are discriminated against less often as in the case with white people. Duh!

DP: PP made a perfectly reasonable reply. Your telling her to “calm down” and “take a breath” — appropriately enough — is another rude approach to trying to diminish someone you are debating rather than responding to the substance that of what she said.

And what foes this have to do with HFA anyway?

The bolded above strikes you as perfectly reasonable? Really? It seems out of control rude and aggressive to me. Hence my sincere suggestion to calm down. Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

You twice falsely accused me, and yeah I am a bit pissed about it. Let's recap:

In your original post you said: The fact that you deny it exists suggests to me that you haven't engaged in many honest conversations about race... How is that not an accusation? I responded by carefully refuting it and asking you to "please be more careful with your accusations."

In your next post, you stated: Denying that life is easier for white people (and to a lesser extent for Asians and Latinos) is unhelpful, inaccurate, and alienates people of goodwill. You copied the bolded text verbatim from my earlier post in some lame attempt at a gotcha. And what, now you are saying that denial accusation was not aimed at me? Yeah right.

I will not respond to any more of your posts.

NP to this series of quotes. Please continue to post in the thread and on these issues! Don't let nonsense bullying and "I know you are but what am I?" childish comebacks keep you from contributing! You make so much more sense than most of us! Don't let anyone suppress your speech!

[Anonymous]

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You did not answer my question. In fact, you seem to have gone way out your way not to answer it. And your emotional need to attach an inflammatory name ("white fragility") to the banal notion that people get defensive does not speak well of you.

I asked you before to "please be more careful with your accusations". You clearly ignored that reasonable request. First, I did not "to try to explain away experiences like the Uber experience" which I specifically described as a "shitty" thing to happen to a kid. I simply tried to dig deeper into the issue using a "thought experiment" so that we could properly characterize it. Somehow this went over your head. Second, you accused me of "denying that life is easier for white people" which I never did. In fact, I explicitly stated that "I don't deny racism or its history." Of course life is easier when, for example, you are discriminated against less often as in the case with white people. Duh!

DP: PP made a perfectly reasonable reply. Your telling her to “calm down” and “take a breath” — appropriately enough — is another rude approach to trying to diminish someone you are debating rather than responding to the substance that of what she said.

And what foes this have to do with HFA anyway?

The bolded above strikes you as perfectly reasonable? Really? It seems out of control rude and aggressive to me. Hence my sincere suggestion to calm down. Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

You twice falsely accused me, and yeah I am a bit pissed about it. Let's recap:

In your original post you said: The fact that you deny it exists suggests to me that you haven't engaged in many honest conversations about race... How is that not an accusation? I responded by carefully refuting it and asking you to "please be more careful with your accusations."

In your next post, you stated: Denying that life is easier for white people (and to a lesser extent for Asians and Latinos) is unhelpful, inaccurate, and alienates people of goodwill. You copied the bolded text verbatim from my earlier post in some lame attempt at a gotcha. And what, now you are saying that denial accusation was not aimed at me? Yeah right.

I will not respond to any more of your posts.

NP to this series of quotes. Please continue to post in the thread and on these issues! Don't let nonsense bullying and "I know you are but what am I?" childish comebacks keep you from contributing! You make so much more sense than most of us! Don't let anyone suppress your speech!

+1.

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Sorry that happened to your kid's friend - that is shitty. As a thought experiment, what if your kid's friend had been Asian or Hispanic. Would the driver had left? I think not. So is it accurate to label it "white privilege"? The problem is not that the driver would pick up your kid or his/her Asian friend but that the driver would not pickup a black child. That is the shitty thing we need to fix. Calling it "white privilege" is generally unhelpful, inaccurate, and alienates people of goodwill.

As a white person, there are literally a thousand daily worries that I don't have to deal with because of my race. I also don't have to worry that my young son will be perceived by members of the majority culture as, on average 4 years older than he is. I also don't have to worry that my preschooler is three times as likely to be suspended as his classmates for the exact same discipline issues (https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/crdc-discipline-snapshot.pdf). If my kid was convicted of a crime, I don't have to worry that he would be 18 times as likely as a white kid to be sentenced as an adult (http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/psp-a0035663.pdf). When I'm shopping for a home, I don't have to worry about being routinely guided to sub-prime loans regardless of my income (http://www.demos.org/blog/new-hud-report-shows-continued-discrimination-against-people-color). Unlike black people, I'm not 30% more likely to be pulled over by police (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/09/09/you-really-can-get-pulled-over-for-driving-while-black-federal-statistics-show/). I also don't have to worry about being killed while crossing the street at a crosswalk because white drivers simply refuse to stop for people of my race (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dr-gridlock/wp/2015/10/26/walking-while-black-can-be-deadly-too-study-finds/). Denying that life is easier for white people (and to a lesser extent for Asians and Latinos) is unhelpful, inaccurate, and alienates people of goodwill.

The need that I sometimes feel to try to explain away statistics like those above or to try to explain away experiences like the Uber experience you commented on is what I mean when I say "white fragility." I can't look into your heart and know what you are thinking, but I can see that discomfort and defensiveness in myself (and, as a man, similar defensiveness that I feel in the face of some MeToo discussions) and name it, and I think that's useful. I'm not aware of white fragility being used in any of the communications about HFA at Wilson (or anywhere in this discussion, until you combed the consultant's Web site to find that term), so I'm not sure how it's being used to shut down discussion.

You did not answer my question. In fact, you seem to have gone way out your way not to answer it. And your emotional need to attach an inflammatory name ("white fragility") to the banal notion that people get defensive does not speak well of you.

I asked you before to "please be more careful with your accusations". You clearly ignored that reasonable request. First, I did not "to try to explain away experiences like the Uber experience" which I specifically described as a "shitty" thing to happen to a kid. I simply tried to dig deeper into the issue using a "thought experiment" so that we could properly characterize it. Somehow this went over your head. Second, you accused me of "denying that life is easier for white people" which I never did. In fact, I explicitly stated that "I don't deny racism or its history." Of course life is easier when, for example, you are discriminated against less often as in the case with white people. Duh!

And finally, the principal of Wilson HS herself used the term "white fragility" as part of her discussion of implementing HFA. She used and embraced the term, not me.

It might actually be helpful to understand where the term "white fragility" comes from. Also PP your responses, defensiveness and belief that your view is the only view that is right are actually some of the hallmarks of "white fragility". The question race is really important at Wilson - the school has major racial issues that just lie underneath the surface there. All of the kids are aware of it - so it is an important conversation in the context of HFA. It is dangerous for white parents to keep spreading the narrative that kids of color can't do the work. It is dangerous for your kids and society as a whole. Wilson is a diverse school but it is not inclusive and that is a worthwhile issue to try and address.

And for any white people that are willing to learn more about "white fragility" here is a talk the author of the book did and personally I found it to be instructive. And BTW her message is for white progressives. I think it would be hard for many white people to get through, but I'll post it anyway:

Robin Di Angelo author of White Fragility

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

NP. Well, rich white dude thanks for for richsplaining struggles to the rest of us.

Here we are, a bunch of families who cannot afford private schools, seemingly fighting over incomprehensibly limited resources that force high-schoolers 4 grades apart to go to the same physics class. Half of them are calling the other half racist. Noting that we're in DC, an overwhelmingly liberal city. You KNOW that PP does not think that racism is just a made-up word. You KNOW that she has heard of all the horrors that have taken place in our country in the past. You also probably know that all she wants is for her kid to be taught physics at a level that will help him grow.

And that's when you seagull drop in to anonymously virtue signal and call someone stupid, twice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You did not answer my question. In fact, you seem to have gone way out your way not to answer it. And your emotional need to attach an inflammatory name ("white fragility") to the banal notion that people get defensive does not speak well of you.

I asked you before to "please be more careful with your accusations". You clearly ignored that reasonable request. First, I did not "to try to explain away experiences like the Uber experience" which I specifically described as a "shitty" thing to happen to a kid. I simply tried to dig deeper into the issue using a "thought experiment" so that we could properly characterize it. Somehow this went over your head. Second, you accused me of "denying that life is easier for white people" which I never did. In fact, I explicitly stated that "I don't deny racism or its history." Of course life is easier when, for example, you are discriminated against less often as in the case with white people. Duh!

DP: PP made a perfectly reasonable reply. Your telling her to “calm down” and “take a breath” — appropriately enough — is another rude approach to trying to diminish someone you are debating rather than responding to the substance that of what she said.

And what foes this have to do with HFA anyway?

The bolded above strikes you as perfectly reasonable? Really? It seems out of control rude and aggressive to me. Hence my sincere suggestion to calm down. Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

You twice falsely accused me, and yeah I am a bit pissed about it. Let's recap:

In your original post you said: The fact that you deny it exists suggests to me that you haven't engaged in many honest conversations about race... How is that not an accusation? I responded by carefully refuting it and asking you to "please be more careful with your accusations."

In your next post, you stated: Denying that life is easier for white people (and to a lesser extent for Asians and Latinos) is unhelpful, inaccurate, and alienates people of goodwill. You copied the bolded text verbatim from my earlier post in some lame attempt at a gotcha. And what, now you are saying that denial accusation was not aimed at me? Yeah right.

I will not respond to any more of your posts.

PP, this series of posts really kinda makes the point about white fragility. You feel "accused" when I disagree with you. You quote something I wrote, but put ellipses in place of the key words --- The fact that you deny it exists suggests to me that you haven't engaged in many honest conversations about race with racists. I.e., unlike me, maybe you are fortunate enough to spend all your time around open minded and enlightened people. The fact that that your read this as an accusation and then had to omit the key words is, to me, really telling.

You assert that I'm trying to shut down conversation, which I take as you disagreeing with me. I assert that you are denying something important, I and I'm accusing you? You are sarcastic, and that's cool. I'm sarcastic, and you're pissed?

Likewise, I write that when I feel tempted to explain away events like those I experienced, I realize that I have some white fragility. Again, you respond that you feel accused of something.

I'd really urge you to examine this defensiveness. You seem to be on a hair trigger for feeling accused. Accused of what?

Also, you acknowledge that racism exists, and that you suffer from it the least of any demographic, but you are compelled to argue against the notion of belonging to a privileged group. Why is that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

NP. Well, rich white dude thanks for for richsplaining struggles to the rest of us.

Here we are, a bunch of families who cannot afford private schools, seemingly fighting over incomprehensibly limited resources that force high-schoolers 4 grades apart to go to the same physics class. Half of them are calling the other half racist. Noting that we're in DC, an overwhelmingly liberal city. You KNOW that PP does not think that racism is just a made-up word. You KNOW that she has heard of all the horrors that have taken place in our country in the past. You also probably know that all she wants is for her kid to be taught physics at a level that will help him grow.

And that's when you seagull drop in to anonymously virtue signal and call someone stupid, twice.

I don't KNOW those things actually, nor do you. And the evidence is 100% against that conclusion --- accusing someone who are LITERAL victims of "playing the victim", "looking for a handout" and suggesting that they "try to make something of themselves" are pretty much racism 101. You KNOW this as well as I do.

PP made a fool of herself by directing those comments at a privileged person who is in no way a victim, so her attempts at racist poor-shaming seem silly, but that doesn't change the intent. Why are you defending this when you KNOW better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

NP. Well, rich white dude thanks for for richsplaining struggles to the rest of us.

Here we are, a bunch of families who cannot afford private schools, seemingly fighting over incomprehensibly limited resources that force high-schoolers 4 grades apart to go to the same physics class. Half of them are calling the other half racist. Noting that we're in DC, an overwhelmingly liberal city. You KNOW that PP does not think that racism is just a made-up word. You KNOW that she has heard of all the horrors that have taken place in our country in the past. You also probably know that all she wants is for her kid to be taught physics at a level that will help him grow.

And that's when you seagull drop in to anonymously virtue signal and call someone stupid, twice.

+1. Well said.

Nobody here thinks racism doesn’t exist; we all know its pernicious effects.

The question is whether HFA repairs some harms of racism — which it is apparently is intended to do. If so, if HFA does, in fact, repair some harms of racism, then
(1) do the benefits outweigh the collateral negative impacts?
(2) is it the principal’s place to favor the needs of some students over others as a cost of pursuing a social or political goal?
(3) is their a more effective way to solve this problem, like adding more intensive support in elementary or middle school, changing the ‘tracking’ process to incorporate relevant testing, etc etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

NP. Well, rich white dude thanks for for richsplaining struggles to the rest of us.

Here we are, a bunch of families who cannot afford private schools, seemingly fighting over incomprehensibly limited resources that force high-schoolers 4 grades apart to go to the same physics class. Half of them are calling the other half racist. Noting that we're in DC, an overwhelmingly liberal city. You KNOW that PP does not think that racism is just a made-up word. You KNOW that she has heard of all the horrors that have taken place in our country in the past. You also probably know that all she wants is for her kid to be taught physics at a level that will help him grow.

And that's when you seagull drop in to anonymously virtue signal and call someone stupid, twice.

I don't KNOW those things actually, nor do you. And the evidence is 100% against that conclusion --- accusing someone who are LITERAL victims of "playing the victim", "looking for a handout" and suggesting that they "try to make something of themselves" are pretty much racism 101. You KNOW this as well as I do.

PP made a fool of herself by directing those comments at a privileged person who is in no way a victim, so her attempts at racist poor-shaming seem silly, but that doesn't change the intent. Why are you defending this when you KNOW better?

You sockpuppeted someone you're not, and then jumped out "Hey I'm actually Tim Cook! Gotcha! You made a fool of yourself, didn't you!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

golf clap?!?!? lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

NP. Well, rich white dude thanks for for richsplaining struggles to the rest of us.

Here we are, a bunch of families who cannot afford private schools, seemingly fighting over incomprehensibly limited resources that force high-schoolers 4 grades apart to go to the same physics class. Half of them are calling the other half racist. Noting that we're in DC, an overwhelmingly liberal city. You KNOW that PP does not think that racism is just a made-up word. You KNOW that she has heard of all the horrors that have taken place in our country in the past. You also probably know that all she wants is for her kid to be taught physics at a level that will help him grow.

And that's when you seagull drop in to anonymously virtue signal and call someone stupid, twice.

+1. Well said.

Nobody here thinks racism doesn’t exist; we all know its pernicious effects.

The question is whether HFA repairs some harms of racism — which it is apparently is intended to do. If so, if HFA does, in fact, repair some harms of racism, then
(1) do the benefits outweigh the collateral negative impacts?
(2) is it the principal’s place to favor the needs of some students over others as a cost of pursuing a social or political goal?
(3) is their a more effective way to solve this problem, like adding more intensive support in elementary or middle school, changing the ‘tracking’ process to incorporate relevant testing, etc etc.

3 should be occurring across DCPS and is the actual way of solving the achievement gap

if you are a 1 or 2 you have no business exiting 8th grade. Stay and extra year until you are actually ready for an honors level course in high school

anyone scoring a 1 or 2 on PARCC in any grade should not be advancing to the next grade. The gaps in skills are much easier to address earlier on. As we all know there are too many high schools in DCPS that are full of 1s and 2s which are disasters. I really feel for the kids who are 3+ who would actually like to learn but can't because of the mediocrity of their classmates. Hopefully most of them are going to the selective high schools but I think some still fall through the cracks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

NP. Well, rich white dude thanks for for richsplaining struggles to the rest of us.

Here we are, a bunch of families who cannot afford private schools, seemingly fighting over incomprehensibly limited resources that force high-schoolers 4 grades apart to go to the same physics class. Half of them are calling the other half racist. Noting that we're in DC, an overwhelmingly liberal city. You KNOW that PP does not think that racism is just a made-up word. You KNOW that she has heard of all the horrors that have taken place in our country in the past. You also probably know that all she wants is for her kid to be taught physics at a level that will help him grow.

And that's when you seagull drop in to anonymously virtue signal and call someone stupid, twice.

I don't KNOW those things actually, nor do you. And the evidence is 100% against that conclusion --- accusing someone who are LITERAL victims of "playing the victim", "looking for a handout" and suggesting that they "try to make something of themselves" are pretty much racism 101. You KNOW this as well as I do.

PP made a fool of herself by directing those comments at a privileged person who is in no way a victim, so her attempts at racist poor-shaming seem silly, but that doesn't change the intent. Why are you defending this when you KNOW better?

You sockpuppeted someone you're not, and then jumped out "Hey I'm actually Tim Cook! Gotcha! You made a fool of yourself, didn't you!"

You didn't fail to write ACTUALLY in your 'splaining response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

NP. Well, rich white dude thanks for for richsplaining struggles to the rest of us.

Here we are, a bunch of families who cannot afford private schools, seemingly fighting over incomprehensibly limited resources that force high-schoolers 4 grades apart to go to the same physics class. Half of them are calling the other half racist. Noting that we're in DC, an overwhelmingly liberal city. You KNOW that PP does not think that racism is just a made-up word. You KNOW that she has heard of all the horrors that have taken place in our country in the past. You also probably know that all she wants is for her kid to be taught physics at a level that will help him grow.

And that's when you seagull drop in to anonymously virtue signal and call someone stupid, twice.

+1. Well said.

Nobody here thinks racism doesn’t exist; we all know its pernicious effects.

The question is whether HFA repairs some harms of racism — which it is apparently is intended to do. If so, if HFA does, in fact, repair some harms of racism, then
(1) do the benefits outweigh the collateral negative impacts?
(2) is it the principal’s place to favor the needs of some students over others as a cost of pursuing a social or political goal?
(3) is their a more effective way to solve this problem, like adding more intensive support in elementary or middle school, changing the ‘tracking’ process to incorporate relevant testing, etc etc.

1) To #1 I think one data point that can get at this is the Wilson GPA chart broken out by race over the years since HFA was implemented. However, we would need to decide what are appropriate measures to determine this over time.

2) If one group has had most of the advantages in education then any principal should be compelled to try and create opportunity for those from groups who have borne the brunt of inequality. What evidence do you have that a particular group would suffer more from a program like HFA? I think there probably are some data points available that can get at the fact that white families will not suffer major consequences from HFA. Many not all, white families at Wilson have other social factors in their favor that would minimize any potential detriment that HFA might cause, primarily education, money and social capital. BTW even though you didn't use race in your post, that is clearly what you meant. I have more respect for people if they would just say what they mean and stop talking in code. I think we would get a lot further.

3) Of course that may be the case. Bring some solutions to the table. I do think waiting around for there to be an answer that satisfies everyone is not tenable.

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Anonymous wrote:first it was racism/that's racist now it's white fragility

terms used by people who can't win arguments and use made up words to shut down debate

So you believe that racism is just a made up word made up to shut down debate? How breathtakingly ignorant of you. Apparently you have never heard of slavery, 10,000 people killed by lynching, sundown towns, the dozens of massacres of blacks during reconstruction, redlining, housing discrimination, employment discrimination, Jim Crow, poll tests, grandfather clauses, ongoing wage, school discipline, policing and employment discrimination as well as all of the other facets of institutionalized racism I linked to above.

Congrats. You win the prize for stupidest post ever on DCUM.

congrats you play the victim card extremely well. Here's a tip instead of waiting for your reparations check try and make something of your life. It's 2019

my original point if someone uses racisim white privilege white fragility it is just a tactic to shut down debate and avoid having an actual logical conversation

Poster that you're responding do. I'm a white male in my 50s. I own a tech firm and have more money than I will ever really need, as will my kids. Housing discrimination, wage discrimination, voter suppression, unequal policing and all of the facets of institutional racism that i linked to previously are alive and well and getting worse in 2019. Your followup was not quite as stupid as your original, but close.

NP. Well, rich white dude thanks for for richsplaining struggles to the rest of us.

Here we are, a bunch of families who cannot afford private schools, seemingly fighting over incomprehensibly limited resources that force high-schoolers 4 grades apart to go to the same physics class. Half of them are calling the other half racist. Noting that we're in DC, an overwhelmingly liberal city. You KNOW that PP does not think that racism is just a made-up word. You KNOW that she has heard of all the horrors that have taken place in our country in the past. You also probably know that all she wants is for her kid to be taught physics at a level that will help him grow.

And that's when you seagull drop in to anonymously virtue signal and call someone stupid, twice.

+1. Well said.

Nobody here thinks racism doesn’t exist; we all know its pernicious effects.

The question is whether HFA repairs some harms of racism — which it is apparently is intended to do. If so, if HFA does, in fact, repair some harms of racism, then
(1) do the benefits outweigh the collateral negative impacts?
(2) is it the principal’s place to favor the needs of some students over others as a cost of pursuing a social or political goal?
(3) is their a more effective way to solve this problem, like adding more intensive support in elementary or middle school, changing the ‘tracking’ process to incorporate relevant testing, etc etc.

Rich white dude here. Should mention that I'm also a Wilson dad. I agree with most of what you wrote, except for the bolded. I am not convinced that HFA is a good idea, but I think we need to acknowledged that HFA is designed to address the racial achievement gap. A bunch of the (apparently white) PPs on this thread have repeatedly made the following points:

1. The "common sense" approach used previously was fine (an approach in which some schools recommended zero students for honors).
2. We know racism was a problem in the past.
3. White privilege and white fragility are not real.

Until we white parents who disagree with HFA can approach discussions of the topic with recognition that:

1. racism is an ongoing problem TODAY
2. we are coming from a place of relative privilege
3. by and large, as a group we tend to be really uncomfortable talking about racism today and our role in it

I think attempts to come together as a community to address these issues won't succeed. To me, the rancor and craziness of this thread (e.g. folks saying that I'm a sock puppet for calling out blatant racism -- and Jeff, if you are reading this thread, feel free to weigh in on this based on server logs) illustrate point 3 above really clearly. We've gotta get past this in order to have the conversations that lead to your point 3.