REV Soccer Only CHAT, No drama please

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Anonymous wrote:GFR coach here. No one cares that Gus runs StBW (his private training company) - it’s the way he uses it to manipulate parents and players into getting more playing time by paying him on the side. GFR wanted to manage it so they could ensure it was accessible to any player who wanted the training and not just a select few. And any “cut” they took was for field permits which are not free. He was using space that other coaches wanted for practice and he’d get into arguments with some of them because he wanted to use space that was scheduled for team practice to run training sessions he was collecting money for! All of the coaches followed the same rule. And it was in our contracts all along not to do private training with our own players unless it was offered to the whole team. FA has always done extra training without charging for it but Gus was unethical about it and it caused major drama on all of his teams.

I've seen this situation at LS (AL,RP,RB,etc) and VRSC (NE,ED,MJ) all those coaches private training some of their players and then those players become faves and play the whole game. If a player decides or cant continue to train then they become bench players.

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Anonymous wrote:GFR coach here. No one cares that Gus runs StBW (his private training company) - it’s the way he uses it to manipulate parents and players into getting more playing time by paying him on the side. GFR wanted to manage it so they could ensure it was accessible to any player who wanted the training and not just a select few. And any “cut” they took was for field permits which are not free. He was using space that other coaches wanted for practice and he’d get into arguments with some of them because he wanted to use space that was scheduled for team practice to run training sessions he was collecting money for! All of the coaches followed the same rule. And it was in our contracts all along not to do private training with our own players unless it was offered to the whole team. FA has always done extra training without charging for it but Gus was unethical about it and it caused major drama on all of his teams.

I've seen this situation at LS (AL,RP,RB,etc) and VRSC (NE,ED,MJ) all those coaches private training some of their players and then those players become faves and play the whole game. If a player decides or cant continue to train then they become bench players.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone panicking about 2013’s VRSC team? GD doesn’t usually coach teams that young. Maybe he’s only just assisting? He expects when you get to his level and age that fundamentals and certain technical skills have been developed. He thrives on creating set pieces and executing higher level strategies to close out games.

Sounds like he thrives on shaking down parents for cash-for-playtime. Sounds like a real loser.

My daughter played for him and started. Never had to pay. That’s because she actually could play. Why is everything on this string so dramatic?

Any coach who shakes parents down for cash to get playtime for their kids is unethical and sleazy. Every kid should be playing in every game regardless of whether they bribe the coach or not.

How is this different than trying out and playing for your fall / spring coach in the preceding summer in Super Y? Players do it to get better and so their coach gets to know them better, with a view to getting a leg up for playing time in the fall. Parents pay the club for the privilege, and the club pays the coach to coach the team. Lots of local coaches similarly offer clinics and camps during summer and school breaks where there is always a contingent of the coaches club players present. Does sending the money through the club so they can take a cut actually launder it for you? Sounds like GD’s extra sessions were well known by players, parents, and club, and have been for years, so this seems like much adu about nothing, except that’s what this board exists for.

Very well said. His side business of training has been in existence for a long time. The club(s) always knew and parents and players also knew. It only became an issue when GFR and the board was being put on notice and things took a turn. GFR board lashed out at coaches not only GD who were training and said they needed to take a cut.

Isn’t he the guy whose car literally is a full blown add for his “Brazilian Way” private soccer training? Based on what I know about some other coaches with private and group training businesses, I bet he makes more off that than he does off his club. He’s obviously not going to give it up, and frankly the entire area is better off having access to a coach who can actually teach fundamental soccer skills. I realize that it’s easier just to complain about your kid not getting enough playing time and to blame someone else for their misfortune than to help them develop the necessary skills.

Can claim it as a business expense on his taxes?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing how many victims there are here. I fear for our country’s future.

Pipe down, Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:GFR coach here. No one cares that Gus runs StBW (his private training company) - it’s the way he uses it to manipulate parents and players into getting more playing time by paying him on the side. GFR wanted to manage it so they could ensure it was accessible to any player who wanted the training and not just a select few. And any “cut” they took was for field permits which are not free. He was using space that other coaches wanted for practice and he’d get into arguments with some of them because he wanted to use space that was scheduled for team practice to run training sessions he was collecting money for! All of the coaches followed the same rule. And it was in our contracts all along not to do private training with our own players unless it was offered to the whole team. FA has always done extra training without charging for it but Gus was unethical about it and it caused major drama on all of his teams.

I was on one of GDs team and every single player who asked to train with him was offered a spot to train. Plenty of girls who got very little playing time also trained with him. You can't claim he just wants to make money and then think he's turning down money to train girls. Also, all of the training we went to happened before GFR practice times and before GFR had permits for the field.

Field permits for turf usually start at 8 a.m.
He was holding pay to play training sessions at 7 am?

The Department of Neighborhood and Community Services (NCS) schedules and handles the permitting for the use of fields at Fairfax County Public Schools (FCPS) and Fairfax County Park Authority (FCPA) facilities for leagues, organizations and groups of individuals during times designated for community use:

Monday through Friday, 5 PM to dark (11 p.m. on lighted fields)
Saturday and Sunday, 8 AM to dark (11 p.m. on lighted fields)
*Some lighted fields may have earlier lights out times. Please contact our office for details and for instructions on operating lights

The facts don’t lie. GFR didn’t have any right to claim fields before 5pm Mon-Fri.

The former GFR coach seems to not have correct information. Yes, lacrosse coaches and GD might have exchanged words during the open field times but someone might have needed to stand on business and not get bullied. I’m here for a coach who won’t be pushed around.

How urban and edgy

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Anonymous wrote:Practices resume in a week. When is the club going to tell teams about any coaching changes?

Apparently you have to check this thread to get all the facts. (Insert sarcasm)

Rumor is GD will coach 2013's and 2011's GA teams. Maybe asst. 2010's.

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Anonymous wrote:GF may have the very worst group of parents outside of NJ

Oh no! Why? They play ECNL RL, how many interactions could you possibly have with them outside a few tournaments. Seems a little extreme.

I only needed to see it once.. parents encouraging their young girls to injure other teams players and then applauding them loudly for doing so. Disgusting

Interesting, what year/coach?

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Are you saying that GFR's permits started at 5:00 pm but that this coach would have secret paid lessons with select groups of players, and schedule them at 4 pm, before the field permits started?

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If no one had the permit for the field (e.g. before 5 pm), then anyone can walk on to the field and use it for recreation. People can walk right through the middle of soccer training and start throwing a frisbee, and no one can tell you to move or get off. Maybe he was pretending he had exclusive use of the fields.

However, its against County rules to hold paid trainings and classes for large groups on unpermitted field space. You have to pay for a permit.

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All the half truths and vagueness around his paid "invite only" trainings are very suspicious.

At what time of day and on what field did he schedule his private freelance trainings?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you saying that GFR's permits started at 5:00 pm but that this coach would have secret paid lessons with select groups of players, and schedule them at 4 pm, before the field permits started?

1. GFR permits started after 5pm. Anyone can use fields prior to it. (Play lacrosse, football)
2. Nothing was ever in secret. His business is splattered all over his car. Nothing is invite only, you have to be pro active if you want to supplement. No one was ever not included, it was a choice if you didn’t want to add to your club training.
3. Nothing was ever with select players (only those that chose to make time). Groups were max 4-5. Never needed a permit because what he did was NOT large group training.
4. If he wanted his trainings to be secret and sleazy why would he do them in front of everyone on home turf right before his own club practice. Apply logic?
5. From personal experience some not all players he trained did NOT play in games as much as others. It was not a pay to play environment.

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OK, so he scheduled his freelance trainings on non permitted field space.

(That's against County rules if his business is for-profit, BTW. Any for-profit activity needs a permit)

Regardless, I'm curious: did he happily share space with anyone else who showed up to use the field --those are the rules as pp mentioned--or did he set up a huge coned training area and pretend like he had exclusive access to the field?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you saying that GFR's permits started at 5:00 pm but that this coach would have secret paid lessons with select groups of players, and schedule them at 4 pm, before the field permits started?

1. GFR permits started after 5pm. Anyone can use fields prior to it. (Play lacrosse, football)
2. Nothing was ever in secret. His business is splattered all over his car. Nothing is invite only, you have to be pro active if you want to supplement. No one was ever not included, it was a choice if you didn’t want to add to your club training.
3. Nothing was ever with select players (only those that chose to make time). Groups were max 4-5. Never needed a permit because what he did was NOT large group training.
4. If he wanted his trainings to be secret and sleazy why would he do them in front of everyone on home turf right before his own club practice. Apply logic?
5. From personal experience some not all players he trained did NOT play in games as much as others. It was not a pay to play environment.

You need a permit for any for-profit activity, even if its just a few kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you saying that GFR's permits started at 5:00 pm but that this coach would have secret paid lessons with select groups of players, and schedule them at 4 pm, before the field permits started?

1. GFR permits started after 5pm. Anyone can use fields prior to it. (Play lacrosse, football)
2. Nothing was ever in secret. His business is splattered all over his car. Nothing is invite only, you have to be pro active if you want to supplement. No one was ever not included, it was a choice if you didn’t want to add to your club training.
3. Nothing was ever with select players (only those that chose to make time). Groups were max 4-5. Never needed a permit because what he did was NOT large group training.
4. If he wanted his trainings to be secret and sleazy why would he do them in front of everyone on home turf right before his own club practice. Apply logic?
5. From personal experience some not all players he trained did NOT play in games as much as others. It was not a pay to play environment.

The haters aren’t interested in truth or logic. Their victimhood has given them an axe so they’re going to grind it, truth and logic be damned.

[Anonymous]

Its amazing to me that any club would hire a coach who seems to cause drama and problems wherever he goes.