DDOT's latest plan to destroy traffic, Georgia Avenue edition

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

It would be hard to design a proposal more likely to get children killed.

You shamelessly attempt to cloak your furious level of self-entitlement behind a pathetic appeal to child safety, but have never known a traffic calming measure that you haven’t violently assailed. You and/or your ilk pulled the same sh*t about side street traffic with Concept C and it was disgusting. I don’t know who the hell you think you are kidding, but I welcome you to put forth your claims in a public fora so that you can be unmasked for the dirtbag that you are.

The only one showing a furious level of self-entitlement is you.

Frankly, it's become a bit awkward to see.

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Why is the anti-car crowd always so perceptibly angry? They think telling people that they are angry, and using insults and curse words, really is going to make us think "wow they are serious we need to do what they say". That is not how influence works.

I think it's just one person who posts over and over and over. He or she always says the same things over and over and always with a lot of shrill, highly repetitive anti-car rhetoric. He/she seems to feel compelled to respond to every post. I think he or she might be mentally ill.

Nah, there are at least two of us.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

[Mic drop]

Is it ok with you that an actual four year old was actually killed by a driver on Georgia Avenue?

Are you even from here? There's virtually no children on Georgia Avenue because their parents are like, "stay the F away from Georgia Avenue because there's too many cars." There's tens of thousands of children in the neighborhoods abutting Georgia Avenue that will be put in serious danger by this plan.

To repeat, AN ACTUAL FOUR YEAR OLD WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY A DRIVER ON GEORGIA AVENUE. But that doesn't matter to you, because ... well, why?

Wow. Your caps make your dumb arguments so much more convincing! Again, go to Georgia Avenue and count how many children you see. You will only need one hand. Then go to look up how many kids live in nearby neighborhoods, walking to school and playing with friends, who will suddenly be put in immediate danger as tens of thousands of drivers go racing through their neighborhoods to avoid Georgia Avenue. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for you it is...

Yeah, you haven't answered the question. Why are potential kids, who might potentially be killed, more important to you than this actual child who was actually killed on Georgia Avenue? Wasn't his safety important too?

Because the kids on GA ave who are walking on it are black and brown and the ones off on the side streets have a lower chance of being black and brown, duh.

What kids? There are no children of any color on Georgia Avenue because Georgia Avenue would be incredibly boring to children. You think kids like hanging out at run down car washes?

There's a sign at Georgia and Kennedy street's intersection for the 2021 death of a 4 year old boy by SUV. You've been told this multiple times. Idiot.

He was on Kennedy not Georgia. We will correct you every time you attempt to slip this by and make up a bullshit narrative to support your case

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. I don't know what point you and the mouse in your pocket are trying to make, anyway.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

He was not "at Georgia." He was jaywalking across Kennedy St., outside of a crosswalk. He jaywalked into the path of a lawfully operated vehicle that was not speeding and that had the right of way

The point? is that this sad case does not offer one iota of evidence that there should be a bus lane on Georgia to choke north-south traffic.

The POINT is that you keep lying and saying this kid was on Georgia.

If anything, this sad case supports your opponents and you're too dim to realize this. It offers evidence that traffic that will be diverted from Georgia onto north-south residential side streets poses a serious risk to little kids who do little kid things like run out into the street where they live without looking.

Your senior thesis idea will cause cars to run over kids. Bad idea.

"The operator then crossed over Georgia Avenue, Northwest, into onto the 900 block of Kennedy Street, Northwest. As the operator entered the block, a juvenile male was crossing the street, outside of a marked crosswalk. The operator struck the victim then immediately came to a stop and remained on scene."
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than blaming a four-year-old child for getting killed in a car crash.

The point is that you're lying to everyone about what happened to this child because you think it will further the unrelated cause of created a bus-only lane.

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. The police news release says so. Are they lying too?

The police news report pretty clearly says that the child was on Kennedy, AND that the car was traveling on Kennedy. Neither of them was on Georgia. The car passed across Georgia and then struck the child on Kennedy. Again, on Kennedy. That cross street could have been any street and it wouldn't have mattered, because it was not involved in the crash.

?? the reason the car was going so fast was that it turned at a high rate of speed off Georgia. slow down Georgia and turns will be safer. Only someone with zero understanding of traffic safety could have posted that.

Untrue! The car crossed georgia ave from one side to the other, the entire time on Kennedy St.

Legally and with a green light.

Kennedy is perpendicular to Georgia. The driver was NEVER ON GEORGIA.

The deceased child however was jaywalking with his mother across Kennedy outside of the crosswalk.

Once again for the slow in the back … this story doesn’t support your argument. You’ve been informed 17 times so at this point you are lying

The reports suggest the car ran a red light. I’m not convinced this was fully investigated.

The car either accelerated through a yellow or ran a red. The mother crossed just down from the intersection when the walk sign came on.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

It would be hard to design a proposal more likely to get children killed.

You shamelessly attempt to cloak your furious level of self-entitlement behind a pathetic appeal to child safety, but have never known a traffic calming measure that you haven’t violently assailed. You and/or your ilk pulled the same sh*t about side street traffic with Concept C and it was disgusting. I don’t know who the hell you think you are kidding, but I welcome you to put forth your claims in a public fora so that you can be unmasked for the dirtbag that you are.

The only one showing a furious level of self-entitlement is you.

Frankly, it's become a bit awkward to see.

+1

Why is the anti-car crowd always so perceptibly angry? They think telling people that they are angry, and using insults and curse words, really is going to make us think "wow they are serious we need to do what they say". That is not how influence works.

I think it's just one person who posts over and over and over. He or she always says the same things over and over and always with a lot of shrill, highly repetitive anti-car rhetoric. He/she seems to feel compelled to respond to every post. I think he or she might be mentally ill.

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That person seems to be hearing voices and having delusions. According to them they take casual strolls down Georgia at midnight, have a forest in their front yard, have an elementary school filled with kids who have been hit by cars, and spend their time going to the synogogue and having bubble tea. There is no location in DC where all those things make sense.

This whole situation is no longer funny. They need to get back on their medication.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

[Mic drop]

Is it ok with you that an actual four year old was actually killed by a driver on Georgia Avenue?

Are you even from here? There's virtually no children on Georgia Avenue because their parents are like, "stay the F away from Georgia Avenue because there's too many cars." There's tens of thousands of children in the neighborhoods abutting Georgia Avenue that will be put in serious danger by this plan.

To repeat, AN ACTUAL FOUR YEAR OLD WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY A DRIVER ON GEORGIA AVENUE. But that doesn't matter to you, because ... well, why?

Wow. Your caps make your dumb arguments so much more convincing! Again, go to Georgia Avenue and count how many children you see. You will only need one hand. Then go to look up how many kids live in nearby neighborhoods, walking to school and playing with friends, who will suddenly be put in immediate danger as tens of thousands of drivers go racing through their neighborhoods to avoid Georgia Avenue. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for you it is...

Yeah, you haven't answered the question. Why are potential kids, who might potentially be killed, more important to you than this actual child who was actually killed on Georgia Avenue? Wasn't his safety important too?

Because the kids on GA ave who are walking on it are black and brown and the ones off on the side streets have a lower chance of being black and brown, duh.

What kids? There are no children of any color on Georgia Avenue because Georgia Avenue would be incredibly boring to children. You think kids like hanging out at run down car washes?

There's a sign at Georgia and Kennedy street's intersection for the 2021 death of a 4 year old boy by SUV. You've been told this multiple times. Idiot.

He was on Kennedy not Georgia. We will correct you every time you attempt to slip this by and make up a bullshit narrative to support your case

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. I don't know what point you and the mouse in your pocket are trying to make, anyway.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

He was not "at Georgia." He was jaywalking across Kennedy St., outside of a crosswalk. He jaywalked into the path of a lawfully operated vehicle that was not speeding and that had the right of way

The point? is that this sad case does not offer one iota of evidence that there should be a bus lane on Georgia to choke north-south traffic.

The POINT is that you keep lying and saying this kid was on Georgia.

If anything, this sad case supports your opponents and you're too dim to realize this. It offers evidence that traffic that will be diverted from Georgia onto north-south residential side streets poses a serious risk to little kids who do little kid things like run out into the street where they live without looking.

Your senior thesis idea will cause cars to run over kids. Bad idea.

"The operator then crossed over Georgia Avenue, Northwest, into onto the 900 block of Kennedy Street, Northwest. As the operator entered the block, a juvenile male was crossing the street, outside of a marked crosswalk. The operator struck the victim then immediately came to a stop and remained on scene."
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than blaming a four-year-old child for getting killed in a car crash.

The point is that you're lying to everyone about what happened to this child because you think it will further the unrelated cause of created a bus-only lane.

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. The police news release says so. Are they lying too?

The police news report pretty clearly says that the child was on Kennedy, AND that the car was traveling on Kennedy. Neither of them was on Georgia. The car passed across Georgia and then struck the child on Kennedy. Again, on Kennedy. That cross street could have been any street and it wouldn't have mattered, because it was not involved in the crash.

?? the reason the car was going so fast was that it turned at a high rate of speed off Georgia. slow down Georgia and turns will be safer. Only someone with zero understanding of traffic safety could have posted that.

Untrue! The car crossed georgia ave from one side to the other, the entire time on Kennedy St.

Legally and with a green light.

Kennedy is perpendicular to Georgia. The driver was NEVER ON GEORGIA.

The deceased child however was jaywalking with his mother across Kennedy outside of the crosswalk.

Once again for the slow in the back … this story doesn’t support your argument. You’ve been informed 17 times so at this point you are lying

The reports suggest the car ran a red light. I’m not convinced this was fully investigated.

The car either accelerated through a yellow or ran a red. The mother crossed just down from the intersection when the walk sign came on.

She shouldn’t have jaywalked in a way that made her less visible. But honestly as a pedestrian, crossing IN the crosswalk on a busy street like Georgia still makes me feel I am taking my life in my hands with how fast people take corners or just run red lights. To a certain extent crossing midblock can make sense because at least you know nobody is going to take a turn over you. This is the same rationale I sometimes use to run reds on my bike - if the intersection is clear it’s safer to go than wait for some jerk to come right hook me.

At the end of the day speed is the issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

It would be hard to design a proposal more likely to get children killed.

You shamelessly attempt to cloak your furious level of self-entitlement behind a pathetic appeal to child safety, but have never known a traffic calming measure that you haven’t violently assailed. You and/or your ilk pulled the same sh*t about side street traffic with Concept C and it was disgusting. I don’t know who the hell you think you are kidding, but I welcome you to put forth your claims in a public fora so that you can be unmasked for the dirtbag that you are.

The only one showing a furious level of self-entitlement is you.

Frankly, it's become a bit awkward to see.

+1

Why is the anti-car crowd always so perceptibly angry? They think telling people that they are angry, and using insults and curse words, really is going to make us think "wow they are serious we need to do what they say". That is not how influence works.

I think it's just one person who posts over and over and over. He or she always says the same things over and over and always with a lot of shrill, highly repetitive anti-car rhetoric. He/she seems to feel compelled to respond to every post. I think he or she might be mentally ill.

+1

That person seems to be hearing voices and having delusions. According to them they take casual strolls down Georgia at midnight, have a forest in their front yard, have an elementary school filled with kids who have been hit by cars, and spend their time going to the synogogue and having bubble tea. There is no location in DC where all those things make sense.

This whole situation is no longer funny. They need to get back on their medication.

On the one hand, bullies engaging in caricatures

On the other hand, people who want to make buses go faster and cars not run over children

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

[Mic drop]

Is it ok with you that an actual four year old was actually killed by a driver on Georgia Avenue?

Are you even from here? There's virtually no children on Georgia Avenue because their parents are like, "stay the F away from Georgia Avenue because there's too many cars." There's tens of thousands of children in the neighborhoods abutting Georgia Avenue that will be put in serious danger by this plan.

To repeat, AN ACTUAL FOUR YEAR OLD WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY A DRIVER ON GEORGIA AVENUE. But that doesn't matter to you, because ... well, why?

Wow. Your caps make your dumb arguments so much more convincing! Again, go to Georgia Avenue and count how many children you see. You will only need one hand. Then go to look up how many kids live in nearby neighborhoods, walking to school and playing with friends, who will suddenly be put in immediate danger as tens of thousands of drivers go racing through their neighborhoods to avoid Georgia Avenue. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for you it is...

Yeah, you haven't answered the question. Why are potential kids, who might potentially be killed, more important to you than this actual child who was actually killed on Georgia Avenue? Wasn't his safety important too?

Because the kids on GA ave who are walking on it are black and brown and the ones off on the side streets have a lower chance of being black and brown, duh.

What kids? There are no children of any color on Georgia Avenue because Georgia Avenue would be incredibly boring to children. You think kids like hanging out at run down car washes?

There's a sign at Georgia and Kennedy street's intersection for the 2021 death of a 4 year old boy by SUV. You've been told this multiple times. Idiot.

He was on Kennedy not Georgia. We will correct you every time you attempt to slip this by and make up a bullshit narrative to support your case

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. I don't know what point you and the mouse in your pocket are trying to make, anyway.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

He was not "at Georgia." He was jaywalking across Kennedy St., outside of a crosswalk. He jaywalked into the path of a lawfully operated vehicle that was not speeding and that had the right of way

The point? is that this sad case does not offer one iota of evidence that there should be a bus lane on Georgia to choke north-south traffic.

The POINT is that you keep lying and saying this kid was on Georgia.

If anything, this sad case supports your opponents and you're too dim to realize this. It offers evidence that traffic that will be diverted from Georgia onto north-south residential side streets poses a serious risk to little kids who do little kid things like run out into the street where they live without looking.

Your senior thesis idea will cause cars to run over kids. Bad idea.

"The operator then crossed over Georgia Avenue, Northwest, into onto the 900 block of Kennedy Street, Northwest. As the operator entered the block, a juvenile male was crossing the street, outside of a marked crosswalk. The operator struck the victim then immediately came to a stop and remained on scene."
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than blaming a four-year-old child for getting killed in a car crash.

The point is that you're lying to everyone about what happened to this child because you think it will further the unrelated cause of created a bus-only lane.

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. The police news release says so. Are they lying too?

The police news report pretty clearly says that the child was on Kennedy, AND that the car was traveling on Kennedy. Neither of them was on Georgia. The car passed across Georgia and then struck the child on Kennedy. Again, on Kennedy. That cross street could have been any street and it wouldn't have mattered, because it was not involved in the crash.

?? the reason the car was going so fast was that it turned at a high rate of speed off Georgia. slow down Georgia and turns will be safer. Only someone with zero understanding of traffic safety could have posted that.

Untrue! The car crossed georgia ave from one side to the other, the entire time on Kennedy St.

Legally and with a green light.

Kennedy is perpendicular to Georgia. The driver was NEVER ON GEORGIA.

The deceased child however was jaywalking with his mother across Kennedy outside of the crosswalk.

Once again for the slow in the back … this story doesn’t support your argument. You’ve been informed 17 times so at this point you are lying

The driver crossed Georgia, and not in a flying car.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

It would be hard to design a proposal more likely to get children killed.

You shamelessly attempt to cloak your furious level of self-entitlement behind a pathetic appeal to child safety, but have never known a traffic calming measure that you haven’t violently assailed. You and/or your ilk pulled the same sh*t about side street traffic with Concept C and it was disgusting. I don’t know who the hell you think you are kidding, but I welcome you to put forth your claims in a public fora so that you can be unmasked for the dirtbag that you are.

The only one showing a furious level of self-entitlement is you.

Frankly, it's become a bit awkward to see.

+1

Why is the anti-car crowd always so perceptibly angry? They think telling people that they are angry, and using insults and curse words, really is going to make us think "wow they are serious we need to do what they say". That is not how influence works.

Why aren't you angry about the damage, injuries, and deaths caused by drivers? Multiple people I grew up or went to school with were killed in car crashes. Three trees in my yard have been hit by cars. I have to drive to my neighbor's house because it's too dangerous to walk. I won't let my kid bike to school. Several kids at my kid's school have been hit by cars. I worry about my dad every time he walks to the synagogue, because drivers routinely run the red light where he crosses the road. A car crashed into the bubble tea place near my parents, with people inside the store. Yeah, I'm angry.

But you aren’t going to get rid of cars anytime soon. So why aren’t you pressuring dc to enforce traffic laws? I don’t think a bus lane will stop people running red lights. Or crashing into bubble tea stores. Drivers who do that ignore that the lane is bus only anyway.

It's not one OR the other. It's both. We need bus lanes. We also need enforcement of drivers - including enforcement of drivers who drive in bus lanes..

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

There's basically no children on Georgia Avenue (Georgia Avenue is mostly liquor stores and other businesses), but go a few blocks east or west and there's a million of them. A lot of young children.

It's hard to imagine how this plan would *not* result in many children being killed. I would think someone will sue to stop this truly insane idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

There's basically no children on Georgia Avenue (Georgia Avenue is mostly liquor stores and other businesses), but go a few blocks east or west and there's a million of them. A lot of young children.

It's hard to imagine how this plan would *not* result in many children being killed. I would think someone will sue to stop this truly insane idea.

The status quo has already resulted in at least one actual - not hypothetical - child being actually - not hypothetically - killed.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

There's basically no children on Georgia Avenue (Georgia Avenue is mostly liquor stores and other businesses), but go a few blocks east or west and there's a million of them. A lot of young children.

It's hard to imagine how this plan would *not* result in many children being killed. I would think someone will sue to stop this truly insane idea.

The status quo has already resulted in at least one actual - not hypothetical - child being actually - not hypothetically - killed.

On a different street. After 16th Street was redesigned.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

There's basically no children on Georgia Avenue (Georgia Avenue is mostly liquor stores and other businesses), but go a few blocks east or west and there's a million of them. A lot of young children.

It's hard to imagine how this plan would *not* result in many children being killed. I would think someone will sue to stop this truly insane idea.

The status quo has already resulted in at least one actual - not hypothetical - child being actually - not hypothetically - killed.

On a different street. After 16th Street was redesigned.

The child was killed at the intersection of Kennedy and Georgia. The family was crossing Kennedy at Georgia - just like you would do if you were walking along Georgia and needed to get to the other side of Kennedy. And yet you keep insisting that the intersection of Kennedy and Georgia has nothing to do with Georgia.

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Anonymous wrote:Love it; bring it to more of the major streets. Thanks DDOT!

Seems like this makes the streets more dangerous, not less.

Drivers aren't going to sit in traffic, and they're not going to switch to the bus. This will just shift traffic onto all the smaller streets around Georgia Avenue. How is that better?

Seems like it's better to focus traffic on big roads where everyone expects there to be lots of cars. I would be pissed if I lived in a neighborhood near Georgia.

This is the main question here that no one can seem to answer.

They don't want to answer it. The data and research is very clear that increasing congestion on heavily congested roads decreases safety. This isn't about safety. It has never been.

The data and research that you made up in your head.

In the actual world, the data and research are very clear that slower speeds make a street safer for everyone, including drivers.

Are you the AI bot, or the 19 yr old city planning intern with nothing else to do all afternoon? These insipid IKnowYouAreButWhatAmI responses are boresome. You're flat wrong.

Anyway, the actual data show that squeezing traffic to a standstill on a designated arterial will induce diversion to side roads. That situation is not, in fact, safer for anyone. High volume traffic on designated local streets is more dangerous for pedestrians, cyclists, pets, and 3 yr old scooter riders who misjudge the curb.

Your term paper thesis is going to kill a 3 yr old someday soon in the District. Is that okay with you?

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Is it ok with you that an actual four year old was actually killed by a driver on Georgia Avenue?

Are you even from here? There's virtually no children on Georgia Avenue because their parents are like, "stay the F away from Georgia Avenue because there's too many cars." There's tens of thousands of children in the neighborhoods abutting Georgia Avenue that will be put in serious danger by this plan.

To repeat, AN ACTUAL FOUR YEAR OLD WAS ACTUALLY KILLED BY A DRIVER ON GEORGIA AVENUE. But that doesn't matter to you, because ... well, why?

Wow. Your caps make your dumb arguments so much more convincing! Again, go to Georgia Avenue and count how many children you see. You will only need one hand. Then go to look up how many kids live in nearby neighborhoods, walking to school and playing with friends, who will suddenly be put in immediate danger as tens of thousands of drivers go racing through their neighborhoods to avoid Georgia Avenue. This isn't hard. Well, maybe for you it is...

Yeah, you haven't answered the question. Why are potential kids, who might potentially be killed, more important to you than this actual child who was actually killed on Georgia Avenue? Wasn't his safety important too?

Because the kids on GA ave who are walking on it are black and brown and the ones off on the side streets have a lower chance of being black and brown, duh.

What kids? There are no children of any color on Georgia Avenue because Georgia Avenue would be incredibly boring to children. You think kids like hanging out at run down car washes?

There's a sign at Georgia and Kennedy street's intersection for the 2021 death of a 4 year old boy by SUV. You've been told this multiple times. Idiot.

He was on Kennedy not Georgia. We will correct you every time you attempt to slip this by and make up a bullshit narrative to support your case

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. I don't know what point you and the mouse in your pocket are trying to make, anyway.

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

He was not "at Georgia." He was jaywalking across Kennedy St., outside of a crosswalk. He jaywalked into the path of a lawfully operated vehicle that was not speeding and that had the right of way

The point? is that this sad case does not offer one iota of evidence that there should be a bus lane on Georgia to choke north-south traffic.

The POINT is that you keep lying and saying this kid was on Georgia.

If anything, this sad case supports your opponents and you're too dim to realize this. It offers evidence that traffic that will be diverted from Georgia onto north-south residential side streets poses a serious risk to little kids who do little kid things like run out into the street where they live without looking.

Your senior thesis idea will cause cars to run over kids. Bad idea.

"The operator then crossed over Georgia Avenue, Northwest, into onto the 900 block of Kennedy Street, Northwest. As the operator entered the block, a juvenile male was crossing the street, outside of a marked crosswalk. The operator struck the victim then immediately came to a stop and remained on scene."
https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/traffic-fatality-intersection-georgia-avenue-and-kennedy-street-northwest

I don't know what point you're trying to make, other than blaming a four-year-old child for getting killed in a car crash.

The point is that you're lying to everyone about what happened to this child because you think it will further the unrelated cause of created a bus-only lane.

He was on Kennedy at Georgia. The police news release says so. Are they lying too?

The police news report pretty clearly says that the child was on Kennedy, AND that the car was traveling on Kennedy. Neither of them was on Georgia. The car passed across Georgia and then struck the child on Kennedy. Again, on Kennedy. That cross street could have been any street and it wouldn't have mattered, because it was not involved in the crash.

?? the reason the car was going so fast was that it turned at a high rate of speed off Georgia. slow down Georgia and turns will be safer. Only someone with zero understanding of traffic safety could have posted that.

Untrue! The car crossed georgia ave from one side to the other, the entire time on Kennedy St.

Legally and with a green light.

Kennedy is perpendicular to Georgia. The driver was NEVER ON GEORGIA.

The deceased child however was jaywalking with his mother across Kennedy outside of the crosswalk.

Once again for the slow in the back … this story doesn’t support your argument. You’ve been informed 17 times so at this point you are lying

Did you not see the quote above from the deceased child’s uncle? The quote where he specifically and directly linked his nephew’s death to speeding vehicles on Georgia Avenue? Or did you see it and then choose to ignore it because it destroys the whole narrative you’re clinging to like a two year old with a safety blanket? I’ll repeat a question that was already posed: what makes you think you know the circumstances of the child’s death better than his own uncle? What makes you think you know better how to prevent similar tragedies than the relatives of children who were killed along this street? Enlighten us, please.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

It would be hard to design a proposal more likely to get children killed.

You shamelessly attempt to cloak your furious level of self-entitlement behind a pathetic appeal to child safety, but have never known a traffic calming measure that you haven’t violently assailed. You and/or your ilk pulled the same sh*t about side street traffic with Concept C and it was disgusting. I don’t know who the hell you think you are kidding, but I welcome you to put forth your claims in a public fora so that you can be unmasked for the dirtbag that you are.

The only one showing a furious level of self-entitlement is you.

Frankly, it's become a bit awkward to see.

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Why is the anti-car crowd always so perceptibly angry? They think telling people that they are angry, and using insults and curse words, really is going to make us think "wow they are serious we need to do what they say". That is not how influence works.

Why aren't you angry about the damage, injuries, and deaths caused by drivers? Multiple people I grew up or went to school with were killed in car crashes. Three trees in my yard have been hit by cars. I have to drive to my neighbor's house because it's too dangerous to walk. I won't let my kid bike to school. Several kids at my kid's school have been hit by cars. I worry about my dad every time he walks to the synagogue, because drivers routinely run the red light where he crosses the road. A car crashed into the bubble tea place near my parents, with people inside the store. Yeah, I'm angry.

But you aren’t going to get rid of cars anytime soon. So why aren’t you pressuring dc to enforce traffic laws? I don’t think a bus lane will stop people running red lights. Or crashing into bubble tea stores. Drivers who do that ignore that the lane is bus only anyway.

I am in regular contact with MPD, Council-members, and the Mayor’s office asking them to do exactly this. Why are you so quick to presume that we are not? And what are you doing to improve traffic safety in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

It would be hard to design a proposal more likely to get children killed.

You shamelessly attempt to cloak your furious level of self-entitlement behind a pathetic appeal to child safety, but have never known a traffic calming measure that you haven’t violently assailed. You and/or your ilk pulled the same sh*t about side street traffic with Concept C and it was disgusting. I don’t know who the hell you think you are kidding, but I welcome you to put forth your claims in a public fora so that you can be unmasked for the dirtbag that you are.

The only one showing a furious level of self-entitlement is you.

Frankly, it's become a bit awkward to see.

+1

Why is the anti-car crowd always so perceptibly angry? They think telling people that they are angry, and using insults and curse words, really is going to make us think "wow they are serious we need to do what they say". That is not how influence works.

Why aren't you angry about the damage, injuries, and deaths caused by drivers? Multiple people I grew up or went to school with were killed in car crashes. Three trees in my yard have been hit by cars. I have to drive to my neighbor's house because it's too dangerous to walk. I won't let my kid bike to school. Several kids at my kid's school have been hit by cars. I worry about my dad every time he walks to the synagogue, because drivers routinely run the red light where he crosses the road. A car crashed into the bubble tea place near my parents, with people inside the store. Yeah, I'm angry.

I feel you. I’m angry too. People are dying and being maimed needlessly on DC streets because of shit-bag drivers. And a good chunk of those who aren’t are too scared to cross the street, ride a bike or scooter, and are having their car insurance premiums jacked to the hilt by the same shit-bag drivers. This is a problem caused both by a lack of enforcement and by road infrastructure that is not appropriate for a densely-populated city. There’s a very good chance that those who come out of the woodwork to oppose addressing either one of the causes are the same aforementioned shit-bag drivers out there terrorizing everyone else in the city. So when they try to tell us that they are doing all this for the kids is just freaking sick. They deserve every single degrading insult that can be conjured up.

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Anonymous wrote:Ward 4 has the highest concentration of children under the age of 10 in the city. Some of them will inevitably be killed as a direct result of this DDOT proposal. We all know it will send tens of thousands of cars through side streets of Ward 4 to avoid the gridlock on Georgia that this plan will create.

It would be hard to design a proposal more likely to get children killed.

You shamelessly attempt to cloak your furious level of self-entitlement behind a pathetic appeal to child safety, but have never known a traffic calming measure that you haven’t violently assailed. You and/or your ilk pulled the same sh*t about side street traffic with Concept C and it was disgusting. I don’t know who the hell you think you are kidding, but I welcome you to put forth your claims in a public fora so that you can be unmasked for the dirtbag that you are.

The only one showing a furious level of self-entitlement is you.

Frankly, it's become a bit awkward to see.

+1

Why is the anti-car crowd always so perceptibly angry? They think telling people that they are angry, and using insults and curse words, really is going to make us think "wow they are serious we need to do what they say". That is not how influence works.

I think it's just one person who posts over and over and over. He or she always says the same things over and over and always with a lot of shrill, highly repetitive anti-car rhetoric. He/she seems to feel compelled to respond to every post. I think he or she might be mentally ill.

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That person seems to be hearing voices and having delusions. According to them they take casual strolls down Georgia at midnight, have a forest in their front yard, have an elementary school filled with kids who have been hit by cars, and spend their time going to the synogogue and having bubble tea. There is no location in DC where all those things make sense.

This whole situation is no longer funny. They need to get back on their medication.

I beg to differ. Mental illness is exemplified by those who believe the convenience of their SOV-addled commute should take precedence over efforts by the city to provide efficient and safe public transportation, but yet pretend that their opposition stems from a desire to protect hypothetical kids on side streets from drivers that are killing actual kids on arterial streets. There are a few specific diagnoses that I could pass your way, if you’re interested.