Official Government Shutdown 2023 Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

some agencies are not appropriated, so their funding and work will continue regardless. thats assuming their payroll processor (usually another agency) isn't furloughed...

In the 2019 shutdown, 7 of 12 appropriations bills were passed. For the 5 bills that were not passed, about 1/4 of the federal government was not funded and shutdown, largely executive branch agencies. The 7 appropriations bills that passed included funding for the military, Congress, intelligence and judiciary and postal services.

This time the Freedom Caucus has refused to budge on any of the 12 appropriations bills, so we are currently looking at a total federal government shutdown except for exempted and essential employees and services.

The mainstream Republicans need to open negotiations with the Democrats and block the Freedom Caucus and get some bills passed. This is going to cost the federal government many billions of dollars if they let this small group of less than 25 people hold the nation and government hostage.

Thank you for this detailed explanation. How likely do you think it is that they can pass any bills? I am dreading a repeat of 2019.

[Anonymous]

On a call this morning, the approps people at my office were acting like we could be shutdown more than a month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

some agencies are not appropriated, so their funding and work will continue regardless. thats assuming their payroll processor (usually another agency) isn't furloughed...

In the 2019 shutdown, 7 of 12 appropriations bills were passed. For the 5 bills that were not passed, about 1/4 of the federal government was not funded and shutdown, largely executive branch agencies. The 7 appropriations bills that passed included funding for the military, Congress, intelligence and judiciary and postal services.

This time the Freedom Caucus has refused to budge on any of the 12 appropriations bills, so we are currently looking at a total federal government shutdown except for exempted and essential employees and services.

The mainstream Republicans need to open negotiations with the Democrats and block the Freedom Caucus and get some bills passed. This is going to cost the federal government many billions of dollars if they let this small group of less than 25 people hold the nation and government hostage.

Thank you for this detailed explanation. How likely do you think it is that they can pass any bills? I am dreading a repeat of 2019.

Sorry, but I have no idea. I am not involved in the legislative branch. I am only a poor executive branch contractor (but at least I am essential personnel and get to work through the shutdown!). Hopefully somebody with some legislative branch insight can answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On a call this morning, the approps people at my office were acting like we could be shutdown more than a month.

+1 I wasn’t here for the Clinton shutdowns. But our agency is acting like this will be worse than the Trump Shutdown. Our folks sound like “…”. As in, they can’t even take a stab at how long. I head the word indefinite. Not as in never reopen. But as in, they don’t know of a weekend shutdown gets it done or a quarter is serious.

And Kevin McCarthy isn’t helping them out. He can’t control his caucus and does not want the shutdown. You ask him, we have a CR and no shutdown. We are kind of falling into a shutdown by default. And no one knows who will make the decision to reopen. Because the House is the problem and no one knows who is in charge of the House. That’s a huge problem. Before, it was, when will Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, Trump, etc cave. Here we have, when will they know who is in charge? You can’t negotiate with 435 people, or even 220, and there is no “the buck stops here” person, like Pelosi was.

I think the level above me is in low key panic because end of fiscal year, plus no ability to game plan a shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do some agencies stay "open" and keep paying during shutdowns? I could swear my old neighbor worked through and was even paid on time during the last shutdown- but I can't remember what agency it was now (it was a smaller one I think).

some agencies are not appropriated, so their funding and work will continue regardless. thats assuming their payroll processor (usually another agency) isn't furloughed...

In the 2019 shutdown, 7 of 12 appropriations bills were passed. For the 5 bills that were not passed, about 1/4 of the federal government was not funded and shutdown, largely executive branch agencies. The 7 appropriations bills that passed included funding for the military, Congress, intelligence and judiciary and postal services.

This time the Freedom Caucus has refused to budge on any of the 12 appropriations bills, so we are currently looking at a total federal government shutdown except for exempted and essential employees and services.

The mainstream Republicans need to open negotiations with the Democrats and block the Freedom Caucus and get some bills passed. This is going to cost the federal government many billions of dollars if they let this small group of less than 25 people hold the nation and government hostage.

Thank you for this detailed explanation. How likely do you think it is that they can pass any bills? I am dreading a repeat of 2019.

Expect 2019 or worse.

The sign you want to watch for is getting the military appropriations bill through. Not that a shutdown will end the next day. But, it’s a terrible sign that everyone wants to pay the military and they can’t make it happen. Once that passes it means someone with the clout to negotiate is taking finding a resolution seriously. Right now either no one in the house has the clout to negotiate or the people who do have no interest.

[Anonymous]

Sorry what day will this unpaid vacation begin, if it does?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry what day will this unpaid vacation begin, if it does?

October 1 is when the new fiscal year begins and when they have to have a budget or CR in place to remain open.

[Anonymous]

oct 2 is the monday when an "orderly shutdown" process would start. which may involve folks having to take their laptops and phones back to the office?

i honestly have no idea how this will work in practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:oct 2 is the monday when an "orderly shutdown" process would start. which may involve folks having to take their laptops and phones back to the office?

i honestly have no idea how this will work in practice.

We didn't have to take equipment back to the office last time. Just can't use it during the shutdown.

[Anonymous]

Newt Gingrich started this Republican tradition, may he rot in h*ll.

[Anonymous]

My agency usually has carry over funds but in 2013 after the first 10 days we ran out and had to be furloughed. We were not affected in 2018 because our agency was one of the ones who had appropriations passed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:oct 2 is the monday when an "orderly shutdown" process would start. which may involve folks having to take their laptops and phones back to the office?

i honestly have no idea how this will work in practice.

Can we text coworkers from our work phones?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:oct 2 is the monday when an "orderly shutdown" process would start. which may involve folks having to take their laptops and phones back to the office?

i honestly have no idea how this will work in practice.

We didn't have to take equipment back to the office last time. Just can't use it during the shutdown.

NP and my agency wasn't that strict about checking e-mail for shutdown-related correspondence. Obviously we couldn't do work but we had to do some things related to the shutdown. For example, they sent out instructions for how we were supposed to code our time and we had to do that in WebTA and you wouldn't know unless you checked your e-mail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry what day will this unpaid vacation begin, if it does?

Aren’t you always paid back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On a call this morning, the approps people at my office were acting like we could be shutdown more than a month.

+1 I wasn’t here for the Clinton shutdowns. But our agency is acting like this will be worse than the Trump Shutdown. Our folks sound like “…”. As in, they can’t even take a stab at how long. I head the word indefinite. Not as in never reopen. But as in, they don’t know of a weekend shutdown gets it done or a quarter is serious.

And Kevin McCarthy isn’t helping them out. He can’t control his caucus and does not want the shutdown. You ask him, we have a CR and no shutdown. We are kind of falling into a shutdown by default. And no one knows who will make the decision to reopen. Because the House is the problem and no one knows who is in charge of the House. That’s a huge problem. Before, it was, when will Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, Trump, etc cave. Here we have, when will they know who is in charge? You can’t negotiate with 435 people, or even 220, and there is no “the buck stops here” person, like Pelosi was.

I think the level above me is in low key panic because end of fiscal year, plus no ability to game plan a shutdown.

Just want to say that we're always in low key panic mode the last two weeks of September. We haven't even started discussing the shutdown.