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Anonymous wrote:No, I won’t be reading it, listening to his wife’s podcast, or watching their curated reality show/documentary. I have no respect for someone who is selling out their family to be wealthy and famous.

So what's funny is that Harry is complaining that he has been sold out his entire life. To protect his brother. And he took it. But he drew the line once his wife and future child was involved and were being throw to the wolves (the press).

What is most fascinating to me is that William can't seem to see how his children will suffer this same fate if he doesn't work to change things from the inside. Does he want Charlotte and Louis to be fed to the wolves to protect George? Because that will happen. And it will tear them apart the exact same way.

We can only hope William will manage it better than Charles did. He does seem genuinely closer to his kids, which offers some hope.

Except we're getting a preview of how he'll manage it with how he is handling the Harry situation. It's not looking good.

Which is really why these "by birth monarchies" are RIDICULOUS. Even if I can't look away from all of it.

He is handling it calmly, by not engaging as any mature adult would handle what is a never ending public tantrum by his toddler son.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh Charles...not funny at all. Team Harry on this one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602603/Harry-claims-Charles-joked-real-father-amid-Diana-rumour.html
'Who knows if I'm even your real father?': Harry claims Charles made 'poor taste' joke 'during rumour' that he was the son of Princess Diana and her ex-lover Major James Hewitt
Duke of Sussex recounts an anecdote Charles gave about a visit to an asylum
King told a patient, 'you can't be the Prince of Wales, I am the Prince of Wales'
After recounting the anecdote Harry discusses rumours about his paternity

According to the Duke's retelling, Charles then joked: 'Who knows if I'm even your real father? Perhaps your father really is in Broadmoor, my dear son!' Harry wrote that the joke was 'in poor taste' given a rumour that his real father was James Hewitt.

Charles knew Harry was his son. With the Broadmoor reference, just a dumb joke.

I don’t joke about my kids’ paternity to them. Maybe occasionally to my husband when they’re misbehaving. But not to them. And I certainly wouldn’t do it if there were conflicting rumors about who their father was.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

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He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh Charles...not funny at all. Team Harry on this one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11602603/Harry-claims-Charles-joked-real-father-amid-Diana-rumour.html
'Who knows if I'm even your real father?': Harry claims Charles made 'poor taste' joke 'during rumour' that he was the son of Princess Diana and her ex-lover Major James Hewitt
Duke of Sussex recounts an anecdote Charles gave about a visit to an asylum
King told a patient, 'you can't be the Prince of Wales, I am the Prince of Wales'
After recounting the anecdote Harry discusses rumours about his paternity

According to the Duke's retelling, Charles then joked: 'Who knows if I'm even your real father? Perhaps your father really is in Broadmoor, my dear son!' Harry wrote that the joke was 'in poor taste' given a rumour that his real father was James Hewitt.

Charles knew Harry was his son. With the Broadmoor reference, just a dumb joke.

I don’t joke about my kids’ paternity to them. Maybe occasionally to my husband when they’re misbehaving. But not to them. And I certainly wouldn’t do it if there were conflicting rumors about who their father was.

It's not my style of humor either, but it was probably Harry's. Not clear from the excerpt if he was hurt at the time or took offense later.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I won’t be reading it, listening to his wife’s podcast, or watching their curated reality show/documentary. I have no respect for someone who is selling out their family to be wealthy and famous.

So what's funny is that Harry is complaining that he has been sold out his entire life. To protect his brother. And he took it. But he drew the line once his wife and future child was involved and were being throw to the wolves (the press).

What is most fascinating to me is that William can't seem to see how his children will suffer this same fate if he doesn't work to change things from the inside. Does he want Charlotte and Louis to be fed to the wolves to protect George? Because that will happen. And it will tear them apart the exact same way.

We can only hope William will manage it better than Charles did. He does seem genuinely closer to his kids, which offers some hope.

Except we're getting a preview of how he'll manage it with how he is handling the Harry situation. It's not looking good.

Which is really why these "by birth monarchies" are RIDICULOUS. Even if I can't look away from all of it.

He is handling it calmly, by not engaging as any mature adult would handle what is a never ending public tantrum by his toddler son.

Oh please. Charles has some good qualities, but we just saw him having a tantrum on camera in his first week as king because there was a extra pen on his table. He’s not engaging because that’s the status quo for the British royal family. But now that the book is mostly out, I’m sure they’ll counter-leak some damaging stuff about Harry and Meghan

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Harry and Meghan probably didn't want to live like second fiddles unlike Andrew, Edward, Anne etc. Why not break the fort if you can't have it? All dynasties had princes and princesses who killed each other for throne, these two are only doing figurative killing in popular opinion to make some money.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

He says his father leaked his plans to move to South Africa and Canada in order to scotch them (while not saying no to his face). Pretty cowardly.

It's indirect. Is it cowardly, to avoid an unpleasant confrontation?

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry didn’t want to inherit. He just didn’t want the family to leak negative stories about his wife to the press in order to shield themselves from other stories (like keeping Andrew around). William clearly did this through Jason Knauf. Knauf admitted it in a deposition.

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I don’t get why so many people on here ignore Harry’s basic complaint about this. Or the fact that it was his own father and brother doing this to him. What a betrayal. How would you feel if your brother trashed your new wife to the entire world?!

On more everyday level, how would you feel if your sibling spread a negative rumor about your spouse around to your extended social circle? You would say, “oh that’s fine, she’s two years older than me so whatever she wants” ??

What if it's not a rumor? Do you not get a vibe that M&H object to ANY negative coverage about them? That's just not how celebrity works.

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With all these tell-alls, nobody comes out a winner, least of all H & M.

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Harry is just his own personal tabloid, dishing on all the hate they he proclaimed he hated.

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Anonymous wrote:BRF are racist AF.

And so is most of the white people around the world. UK, USA, Australia.

They do not want to embrace Meghan. And they knew that Harry was more popular than Will.

They are an ugly and evil family.

LOL right that's why they gave her a million dollar wedding. Took her on engagements with the Queen. Gave them choice tours. Meghan would have been embraced in good time if she made any effort to understand her new role.

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I hope Spare is clearer than this DailyMail article. Meghan makes a comment about hormones that sets Kate off at the bridal salon, but then somehow (at a different point in time?) William shows up and waves a finger in her face and that makes Meghan cry?

The way I read this is that there was a confrontation after the bridal salon exchange.

Man if someone I barely knew told me I had "baby brain" I would be LIVID. Is anyone else seeing this as William defending his wife?

Yeah, but I thought there was crying during the bridal salon exchange, so I guess I'm just not understanding the sequence. Anyway, I can see how some people would get pissed at that kind of offhand remark being made, especially Kate with her tough pregnancies. But many many many others would just laugh it off.

yeah. i joke about mommy brain and baby brain with my friends (who are also mothers). it's definitely not up there with the worst things you could say to an in-law.

Not the worst thing. But it can be used as an insult. And getting a finger wag in response seems appropriate.

Not a great relationship among in-laws. But not the worst. Or at least not then - now it is. SMH

How could the money and revenge possibly have been worth the end of your relationship with your only brother? I don't care how much you resented being "the spare," it is simply not worth it.

What did Harry actually want of William? To change their birth order? In every aspect of life (like it or not), there is a hierarchy.

I think he wanted his family/the institution to protect him in the same way William was protected. It's an understandable desire, if not realistic.

+1

He literally says in the 60 minutes clip “I want a family, not an institution.”

What do people not get about this?? Makes perfect sense. It’s never a good idea to so clearly treat one sibling better than the other. And don’t give me any Bs about this being the royal family. It doesn’t matter, they don’t “have” to do things that way.

Only one person can inherit. That's a fact of life. Life that has dealt Harry rather a good hand. Older brother is being raised to lead, younger to support him.

He could have had his family if he played by the rules.

This book virtually guarantees he'd never be welcome back.

Harry was given a huge platform to lead within the RF, Invictus Games and Military advocacy, Climate Change, Mental Health. He is simply envious of his brother. If he wants to be on equal footing with his brother he has to go earn it himself, and as we have seen he is incapable of even making a living for himself beyond trashing his family, let alone take on a leadership role in the world stage.

Nope. Wrong again. Harry said they would have been happy to stay in the fold and be working royals all their lives if Charles and Will would only stop feeding negative stories about them to the press and scapegoating Meghan. Not exactly a huge request.

Is there more evidence about this, other than the one letter to her father that was leaked? A violation of privacy, to be sure, but I thought if anything the letter made her more sympathetic not less.

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Anonymous wrote:Its all he said-she said from one side. Nobody knows all the real story.

This is my thought and they are doing it to stay relevant and for money. They have to fund their lifestyle. Either way, it couldn't have been a good childhood growing up in boarding schools and nannies and being the "spare" then being irrelevant once William had kids. He's basically William's assistant if he stayed. Not a great life.

Whatever happened to him, happened to William as well, he was only two years older than Harry and still very young and being future king, every step he took was being watched. Talk about burden!

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Anonymous wrote:The account of the altercation, frankly, paints Harry in a light that's too precious to sympathize with. I mean William's not much better but at least his vices are easy to understand.

But Harry? The broken necklace? the broken dog bowl? (what's it made of, crystal? what type of dog bowl breaks when a man falls on top of it?) The shards cutting his delicate skin? The therapist on speed dial?

It's all a bit much.

It’s insane. It doesn’t hold water with how fights happen.

William is a bully. That much is clear.

So was this knock-down-drag-out fight the fight about Meghan bullying the staff and Harry not wanting to hear about it? That fight?

Bullying the staff is just a talking point. It's amazing the people don't see the pattern in how women who marry into the monarchy -as well as others who are not as compliant, even in the family- are treated. Diana. Fergie. Meghan. And then accused of being "crazy", "needy", "psycho", "bullying." GMAFB. I don't believe it for one minute.

I do believe that the British Tabloids and SM were cruel, racist, and hateful towards Meghan (the stories and headlines, and tweets, speak for themselves). I also 100% believe that William and Charles comms teams fed them negative stories, fueled them, and then didn't support H and M. Once again, one need only look at the history of this family (and the monarchy generally) to know with certainty that this happened.

What? you want the press to not report on the negative events that happen through these women? Why?

Diana did have mental episodes. She did sleep with other men, married and not. She did have bulimia. She did brief the tabloids against Charles. Fergie did peddle influence. She did commit adultery. These are all facts. What makes you think these women should be given a pass because they are women?