Highland park IL shooting

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone SEE the shooter? Look at his picture? THERE is your problem right there. He also advertised what he was planning on social media and not one person raised a red flag. He was even known to law enforcement. Nada.

There are an untold number of people in America who suffer from a form of mental illness. The overwhelming majority don’t commit mass murder. Some might get facial tattoos. Many are known to law enforcement from prior contacts. Some spend their waking hours posting crazy sh+t on the internet. (QAnon snyine?) some might even be what you consider to be unattractive. Nobody is monitoring every internet posting. And as far as we know he never explicitly threatened anyone. What’s your point?

He violated no law and none of the red flags in IL law. Law enforcement cannot monitor round the clock the 10s of millions of Americans with mental health issues. Ban the riffles.

Totally disagree. Our country has tipped way over trying to protect the rights of criminals and the mentally ill. They need to be insttutionalized, in group home supervision, and/or under forced medications.

People with mental illness aren’t to be equated with criminals. They have constitutional, civil and human rights. What the hell is wrong with you? Do you know anything about congregate residential facilities for people with mental illness? Do you want one operating next door to your home? I didn’t think so. And most states closed their institutional facilities for people with mental illness and/or intellectual disabilities many years ago. Maybe you are the one who needs to be under forced medication.

1/3 of the country is diagnosed with a mental health illness every year. Probably higher since many go undiagnosed. We cant’t lock up or monitor 1/3 of the country.

He isn't mentally ill. He is a loner who was radicalized online and who's GOP father totally ignored the warning signs and weakened gun safety laws allowed him to play out his nihlistic fantasy.

I rest my case.

Local prosecutors will go after the father to make an example out of him. As they should - bankrupt this creep and send him to prison too.

Not just prosecutors, victims too.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty pro-constitution, but if we can't buy alcohol or cigarettes until age 21, why not add all guns too. I don't think it will stop all shootings, but it's something.

Then, we should look at why our society is growing looney tunes. Just look at him. WTF. What is happening to children? We cannot pretend a shift isn't occurring. A disintegration of humankind.

Putting limits on guns is PRO CONSTITUTION. Stop the right-wing talking points and any limits are "anti-2A". BS. "Well Regulated" is right there in the text of the Constitution. How does that get forgotten over, and over, and over again???

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Anonymous wrote:Totally normal. Yep, we CANT tinker with 2A. Who cares if this toddler Found walking around with blood on his shoes is now an orphan. FREEDUM!!!
F You, anyone still supporting GOP who block gun safety measures.

Tragic and heartbreaking. These parents brought their toddler to see a small town 4th of July parade and never made it home. That baby is crying for them.

What fricking freedom do we really have if these guns are not banned?

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone SEE the shooter? Look at his picture? THERE is your problem right there. He also advertised what he was planning on social media and not one person raised a red flag. He was even known to law enforcement. Nada.

There are an untold number of people in America who suffer from a form of mental illness. The overwhelming majority don’t commit mass murder. Some might get facial tattoos. Many are known to law enforcement from prior contacts. Some spend their waking hours posting crazy sh+t on the internet. (QAnon snyine?) some might even be what you consider to be unattractive. Nobody is monitoring every internet posting. And as far as we know he never explicitly threatened anyone. What’s your point?

He violated no law and none of the red flags in IL law. Law enforcement cannot monitor round the clock the 10s of millions of Americans with mental health issues. Ban the riffles.

Totally disagree. Our country has tipped way over trying to protect the rights of criminals and the mentally ill. They need to be insttutionalized, in group home supervision, and/or under forced medications.

People with mental illness aren’t to be equated with criminals. They have constitutional, civil and human rights. What the hell is wrong with you? Do you know anything about congregate residential facilities for people with mental illness? Do you want one operating next door to your home? I didn’t think so. And most states closed their institutional facilities for people with mental illness and/or intellectual disabilities many years ago. Maybe you are the one who needs to be under forced medication.

I am not the PP. I grew up with a sibling with a developmental disability and know others with a range of mental illnesses. The only good thing Reagan did was to close these institutions and the worst thing he did was take all the savings and dole it out to his donors through tax cuts, etc. There should been been robust, wrap around services and there is just shit and real, real shit in states that did not expand their Medicaid coverage.

It's a horror that our current system equates mental illnesses with criminals, including locking up people w/o their anti-psychotic meds, etc. Many of these current mass shootings are committed by folks who are not mentally ill but due to the poison of their racism, their obsession with white supremacy, and/or their intoxication caused by Fox News, OAN, etc.

The crap services aren’t limited to states which didn’t expand Medicaid services. It’s a feature not a bug. And the cruelty seems to be the point. The entire system is broken. It relies principally on well-meaning, but overworked hourly staff being paid unbelievably low wages for a very difficult job. Staff turnover is high. Waiting lists for residential services in congregate settings can take years. For many it’s a revolving door of 72 hour holds and discharge back to the community without adequate supports such that the person winds up on the streets and homelessness. Add to that exploitation by court appointed guardians and, in some cases, the intersection of mental illness and acts resulting in criminal charges.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty pro-constitution, but if we can't buy alcohol or cigarettes until age 21, why not add all guns too. I don't think it will stop all shootings, but it's something.

Then, we should look at why our society is growing looney tunes. Just look at him. WTF. What is happening to children? We cannot pretend a shift isn't occurring. A disintegration of humankind.

If you’re pro-constitutional you know the 2nd amendment never said you had the right to own guns. It said arms. And I can give you a long list of the arms we have already banned from nuclear to biological to firearms to explosives to lawn darts! And the ban was upheld before for assault rifles. It would be totally constitutional to ban these weapons and make them illegal to own along with extended magazines.

Further, no right is unfettered. It would totally be within the constitution to demand licensing and registering of any personal firearm.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty pro-constitution, but if we can't buy alcohol or cigarettes until age 21, why not add all guns too. I don't think it will stop all shootings, but it's something.

Then, we should look at why our society is growing looney tunes. Just look at him. WTF. What is happening to children? We cannot pretend a shift isn't occurring. A disintegration of humankind.

If you’re pro-constitutional you know the 2nd amendment never said you had the right to own guns. It said arms. And I can give you a long list of the arms we have already banned from nuclear to biological to firearms to explosives to lawn darts! And the ban was upheld before for assault rifles. It would be totally constitutional to ban these weapons and make them illegal to own along with extended magazines.

Further, no right is unfettered. It would totally be within the constitution to demand licensing and registering of any personal firearm.

Six people with robes and lifetime judicial appointments to the highest court disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone SEE the shooter? Look at his picture? THERE is your problem right there. He also advertised what he was planning on social media and not one person raised a red flag. He was even known to law enforcement. Nada.

There are an untold number of people in America who suffer from a form of mental illness. The overwhelming majority don’t commit mass murder. Some might get facial tattoos. Many are known to law enforcement from prior contacts. Some spend their waking hours posting crazy sh+t on the internet. (QAnon snyine?) some might even be what you consider to be unattractive. Nobody is monitoring every internet posting. And as far as we know he never explicitly threatened anyone. What’s your point?

I do not believe for one second that this young man hasn't shown disturbing behavior since a young age. Too many red flags all around, including his appearance and look in his eyes. If he weren't receiving special education or mental health support, he sure should have been!

His look was trendy among UMC SoundCloud rapper wannabes. It's stupid but we are old and they are young.

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why can't we tax the hell out of guns? didn't we raise the tax on cigarettes? if we can't ban them, then make them harder and more costly to obtain. and at the very least, ban the freaking assault weapons, although in the case of IL I thought they already had a ban, but guess he could have gone to a neighboring state to purchase so really the state-level bans don't work.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone SEE the shooter? Look at his picture? THERE is your problem right there. He also advertised what he was planning on social media and not one person raised a red flag. He was even known to law enforcement. Nada.

There are an untold number of people in America who suffer from a form of mental illness. The overwhelming majority don’t commit mass murder. Some might get facial tattoos. Many are known to law enforcement from prior contacts. Some spend their waking hours posting crazy sh+t on the internet. (QAnon snyine?) some might even be what you consider to be unattractive. Nobody is monitoring every internet posting. And as far as we know he never explicitly threatened anyone. What’s your point?

He violated no law and none of the red flags in IL law. Law enforcement cannot monitor round the clock the 10s of millions of Americans with mental health issues. Ban the riffles.

Totally disagree. Our country has tipped way over trying to protect the rights of criminals and the mentally ill. They need to be insttutionalized, in group home supervision, and/or under forced medications.

People with mental illness aren’t to be equated with criminals. They have constitutional, civil and human rights. What the hell is wrong with you? Do you know anything about congregate residential facilities for people with mental illness? Do you want one operating next door to your home? I didn’t think so. And most states closed their institutional facilities for people with mental illness and/or intellectual disabilities many years ago. Maybe you are the one who needs to be under forced medication.

I am not the PP. I grew up with a sibling with a developmental disability and know others with a range of mental illnesses. The only good thing Reagan did was to close these institutions and the worst thing he did was take all the savings and dole it out to his donors through tax cuts, etc. There should been been robust, wrap around services and there is just shit and real, real shit in states that did not expand their Medicaid coverage.

It's a horror that our current system equates mental illnesses with criminals, including locking up people w/o their anti-psychotic meds, etc. Many of these current mass shootings are committed by folks who are not mentally ill but due to the poison of their racism, their obsession with white supremacy, and/or their intoxication caused by Fox News, OAN, etc.

The crap services aren’t limited to states which didn’t expand Medicaid services. It’s a feature not a bug. And the cruelty seems to be the point. The entire system is broken. It relies principally on well-meaning, but overworked hourly staff being paid unbelievably low wages for a very difficult job. Staff turnover is high. Waiting lists for residential services in congregate settings can take years. For many it’s a revolving door of 72 hour holds and discharge back to the community without adequate supports such that the person winds up on the streets and homelessness. Add to that exploitation by court appointed guardians and, in some cases, the intersection of mental illness and acts resulting in criminal charges.

Sadly I'm well aware that it is a feature (a sibling, many friends - how could I not know) so that's why I wrote "there is just shit." I emphasized the states refusing Medicaid coverage as Abbot spent so much time explaining the Uvalde mass shooting as due to mental illness not access to guns without ONCE saying "and that's why Texas will now expand Medicaid coverage." GOP electeds can't be allowed to excuse these acts by invoking mental illness without bringing scrutiny to bear on their hypocrisy. Sadly, the national press is just not up to the task.

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His parents have hired lawyers from Steve Greenberg's firm. Greenberg represents class acts such as R Kelly and Drew Peterson.

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Anonymous wrote:Shooter lived at home with dad.
Had no job. Yet able to purchase 5 rifles legally with no questions asked even after police confiscated 17 knives due to apparent suicide threats. Just as our founding fathers intended.

Who is the " family member " who called police Twice until they showed up and confiscated 17 Knives and how/ why was EVERYONE apparently MIA as this psycho amassed an arsenal of military grade assault rifles and posted videos about his intentions ???

Did this family have breakfast and dinner together ? Could anyone not tell that this kid was off the deep end...

His " uncle " says publicly, " I saw him when I visited but I didn't interact with him" WHAT ???? what kind of family is that ???

How in the hell did this guy pass a background check?
I said earlier that I was certain there were red flags with this shooter. I was right.

He passed the background check and obtained a FOID from the State Police because he had no criminal record or file with the Department of Human Services relating to mental illness (that is, he was never put on a psych hold, voluntarily admitted to a psychiatric care faculty or adjudicated to be a clear and present danger).

OK, so if a nit case with 17 knives taken away from him just 2 years ago AND a prior suicide attempt that was called into police is NOT enough to block his access to a weapon of war-

despite the fact that BOTH would keep him out of the Military

Then, Ban the Assault Weapons because, obviously, social services and police checks do not detect these Nut jobs

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Anonymous wrote:Very "timely" fro Hogan with love to Marylanders. Larry, next time the mass shooting happens in Md, it's on you.

Libs say they want in-depth background checks and waiting periods for guns, right ? Yes or no?

If yes, then all the people applying for MD permits will be subject to VERY in-depth background checks (I’m doing it in MD right now. Requires photo, 8 hours classroom training, range training, a demonstration of proficiency test, a firearm laws test, fingerprints, 3 non-family references and a application fee. Wait time is currently 90-120 days)

So that’s basically what libs want for guns, right? This is the exact stuff they say should be required for a gun. And that’s what everyone applying for a MD permit is doing.


But NOW it’s not good enough. Now it’s a problem. All the stuff you all said you wanted in the past, isn’t enough now.


Please explain why the goalposts have wheels on them.

No moving of goalposts, these are laws that have been on the books for more than 100 years.

With respect to MD's in-depth background check, there is nothing there that could have prevented the recent mass shooters. But a good and reasonable clause would have.

Yes. Now it’s time to get rid of all personally owned firearms and ammunition, as well as the second amendment. Heller was a travesty. Too many people are dying.

So how do you think such a thing will be achieved?

Even if you repealed the second amendment - which is incredibly doubtful anyway - how do you propose to remove the 400,000,000 guns from the 90 million people who own them?

Existing criminals can’t even be disarmed right now. What expectations do you have for disarming 1/3 of this country’s population who were formerly law-abiding who you transformed *into being criminals* when you made their guns illegal?

It’s just not going happen.

And definitely the right thing to do about hard problems is to just throw our hands up in the air, say it's impossible, and, I guess, start sending our kids to school in flak jackets. This is a solvable problem if our society wanted to solve it. At issue isn't how we solve it, it's whether we want to.

This tells us everything (from: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/america-mass-shooting-gun-violence-statistics-charts):

The gslaxybrains inhabiting the rightwing multiverse think the answer lies in a single door, teachers strapped with semiautomatic pistols and highly armed combat veterans patrolling our schools. Perfect.

No way.

I’ve only two two - TWO! - teachers I’d EVER trust with a gun.

Every other teacher I’ve encountered, save those two, would’ve been more dangerous with a gun than an actual school shooter. I could not imagine a more unsuitable group of people to arm than teachers. It’s a terrible, awful, no-good idea.

They’d either get distracted and leave the gun someplace where students could access it, or possibly use it to threaten disruptive students, or some other ridiculous thing.

Horrible, horrible idea.

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Anonymous wrote:His parents have hired lawyers from Steve Greenberg's firm. Greenberg represents class acts such as R Kelly and Drew Peterson.

I hope every family is sung those parents for wrongful death

Someone please post the names of the businesses that sold this nut job the weapons of war AND the name of the gun manufacturer for each of his 4 guns so that the community can sue the manufacturers as well

They are a threat to the Public Health

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone SEE the shooter? Look at his picture? THERE is your problem right there. He also advertised what he was planning on social media and not one person raised a red flag. He was even known to law enforcement. Nada.

There are an untold number of people in America who suffer from a form of mental illness. The overwhelming majority don’t commit mass murder. Some might get facial tattoos. Many are known to law enforcement from prior contacts. Some spend their waking hours posting crazy sh+t on the internet. (QAnon snyine?) some might even be what you consider to be unattractive. Nobody is monitoring every internet posting. And as far as we know he never explicitly threatened anyone. What’s your point?

He violated no law and none of the red flags in IL law. Law enforcement cannot monitor round the clock the 10s of millions of Americans with mental health issues. Ban the riffles.

Totally disagree. Our country has tipped way over trying to protect the rights of criminals and the mentally ill. They need to be insttutionalized, in group home supervision, and/or under forced medications.

People with mental illness aren’t to be equated with criminals. They have constitutional, civil and human rights. What the hell is wrong with you? Do you know anything about congregate residential facilities for people with mental illness? Do you want one operating next door to your home? I didn’t think so. And most states closed their institutional facilities for people with mental illness and/or intellectual disabilities many years ago. Maybe you are the one who needs to be under forced medication.

1/3 of the country is diagnosed with a mental health illness every year. Probably higher since many go undiagnosed. We cant’t lock up or monitor 1/3 of the country.

He isn't mentally ill. He is a loner who was radicalized online and who's GOP father totally ignored the warning signs and weakened gun safety laws allowed him to play out his nihlistic fantasy.

I rest my case.

Local prosecutors will go after the father to make an example out of him. As they should - bankrupt this creep and send him to prison too.

BTW, what happened to the kid who shot up his school and whose parents had bought him the gun as a present, then met with school officials the morning he was making disturbing drawings in class and said they didn't want to take him home? The one whose mom texted him "don't" when she realized he was going to shoot up the school?

There are so many gratuitous gun massacres in this shithole it's impossible to keep track of who butchered whom where and when anymore. So much for those who are looking for fame that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Did anyone SEE the shooter? Look at his picture? THERE is your problem right there. He also advertised what he was planning on social media and not one person raised a red flag. He was even known to law enforcement. Nada.

There are an untold number of people in America who suffer from a form of mental illness. The overwhelming majority don’t commit mass murder. Some might get facial tattoos. Many are known to law enforcement from prior contacts. Some spend their waking hours posting crazy sh+t on the internet. (QAnon snyine?) some might even be what you consider to be unattractive. Nobody is monitoring every internet posting. And as far as we know he never explicitly threatened anyone. What’s your point?

He violated no law and none of the red flags in IL law. Law enforcement cannot monitor round the clock the 10s of millions of Americans with mental health issues. Ban the riffles.

Totally disagree. Our country has tipped way over trying to protect the rights of criminals and the mentally ill. They need to be insttutionalized, in group home supervision, and/or under forced medications.

People with mental illness aren’t to be equated with criminals. They have constitutional, civil and human rights. What the hell is wrong with you? Do you know anything about congregate residential facilities for people with mental illness? Do you want one operating next door to your home? I didn’t think so. And most states closed their institutional facilities for people with mental illness and/or intellectual disabilities many years ago. Maybe you are the one who needs to be under forced medication.

I am not the PP. I grew up with a sibling with a developmental disability and know others with a range of mental illnesses. The only good thing Reagan did was to close these institutions and the worst thing he did was take all the savings and dole it out to his donors through tax cuts, etc. There should been been robust, wrap around services and there is just shit and real, real shit in states that did not expand their Medicaid coverage.

It's a horror that our current system equates mental illnesses with criminals, including locking up people w/o their anti-psychotic meds, etc. Many of these current mass shootings are committed by folks who are not mentally ill but due to the poison of their racism, their obsession with white supremacy, and/or their intoxication caused by Fox News, OAN, etc.

The crap services aren’t limited to states which didn’t expand Medicaid services. It’s a feature not a bug. And the cruelty seems to be the point. The entire system is broken. It relies principally on well-meaning, but overworked hourly staff being paid unbelievably low wages for a very difficult job. Staff turnover is high. Waiting lists for residential services in congregate settings can take years. For many it’s a revolving door of 72 hour holds and discharge back to the community without adequate supports such that the person winds up on the streets and homelessness. Add to that exploitation by court appointed guardians and, in some cases, the intersection of mental illness and acts resulting in criminal charges.

Maybe if we had paid 18 month maternity leave in this country, we'd have less psychopathic 18 year olds

At minimum GOP should realize that forcing poor women to have MORE children that they don't have the bandwith to raise to be responsible adults will just ADD to the Mental Health Crisis

But wait, the good of the country is not what they care about- its the lobbyist $$$$ in their pockets and their 250K / year job in Congress with a ticket to revolving door as a lobbyist