Oakton crash

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't hold your breath for a harsh sentence for the driver. I know someone (an adult) that ran over two people while DUI and only served 3 years (suspended sentence down from 20). That's when I learned that when your "weapon" is a car, you can get away with pretty much anything.

This is true.

I am so, so sorry for the families joining this unbearable (and way too large) community of people whose loved ones were killed by reckless drivers.

Depending on when the driver got his license, isnt there a a law that says you can't have more than 1 un-related person in the car within like 18 months of getting a license? The purpose to curb having a back seat full of rowdy friends and huge distractions.

Yes, the law in Virginia says only one passenger under 21 who is unrelated to the driver for the 1st year you have your license. After a year, an under 18 driver is allowed to drive 3 unrelated passengers to and from a school sponsored event. So driving to and from school, you are allowed to drive 3 unrelated passengers. If the BMW driver was coming from school with 3 friends and had had his license for a year, he'd been following the rules. I don't think a sibling counts - so you could drive 3 friends plus your 14/15 year old sister/brother and be within the law.

But, the law also says don't driver higher than the speed limit. And we all know everyone always follows the law. (sarcasm.)

Such a horrible tragedy.

The latest article upthread says there were 4 Oakton students un the BMW. A prior article said driver ran but was identified later. So if there were 4 kids, did they all run after the accident? There's gotta be witnesses to this if school was letting out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:...and on the other hand, regardless of the speed of BMW, if Toyota turned left without following Right Of Way rule, accident would have been damaging to similar level as girls were too close on the walkway. A non speeding 45Miles/Hr could have caused similar carnage....

A car going 45 would definitely not take out 3 teenagers and a utility pole after demolishing the entire front of a Toyota 4Runner.

No way, just not possible, it’s called Physics. But a car going 90 definitely can.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not kids friend here...live pretty close to that area....just saying that we can't box ourselves with just speed being the factor. I see people speeding all the time....not the right thing, but true.

If the BMW was speeding, none of your whatabouting matters. VA law is clear that speeding negates your right away. As has been explained here multiple times.

[Anonymous]

Yielding to walkers is great thing to do. This could cause sometimes to have to wait for signal change. Happens all the time. The incoming traffic (especially a kid) has no way of knowing that the Toyota waited extra to allow walkers to cross. A grownup Toyota driver should have waited for clear road..

[Anonymous]

Speed limit on Blake is 35 not 45. I definitely learned that the hard way. Spent over $300 on a variety of defenses to get my 50 in a 35 on Blake reduced to failure to pay time and attention.

[Anonymous]

People do speed when they see a signal changing at times....all the time...the Toyota should have waited for BMW to cross OR full stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People do speed when they see a signal changing at times....all the time...the Toyota should have waited for BMW to cross OR full stop.

If the BMW was speeding, none of your whatabouting matters. VA law is clear that speeding negates your right away. As has been explained here multiple times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yielding to walkers is great thing to do. This could cause sometimes to have to wait for signal change. Happens all the time. The incoming traffic (especially a kid) has no way of knowing that the Toyota waited extra to allow walkers to cross. A grownup Toyota driver should have waited for clear road..

If the BMW was speeding, none of your whatabouting matters. VA law is clear that speeding negates your right away. As has been explained here multiple times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree....had the Toyota waited for it's turn, regardless of the speed of BMW, no accident would have happened.

Again (and again), no charges have yet been filed. But looking at what has been described -
1) The Toyota was making a left and yielded to the pedestrians crossing who have the right of way.
2) In stopping to let the pedestrians cross, the Toyota may have blocked oncoming traffic.
3) Only the BMW hit the Toyota, so there did not seem to be any other oncoming traffic that was impacted.
4) If the BMW was speeding, the Toyota likely started the turn while the intersection/road was clear.
5) If the BMW was speeding, the driver loses the ability to claim the Toyota caused the accident as per Virginia law.

I'm having a hard time imagining that no one else here has ever been in a similar situation - you start making a left turn while the opposing traffic is clear, and then need to yield to crossing pedestrians that have the right of way. Heck, it happens to me when I'm turning into my driveway! Anyway, the charges should tell the story.

You don’t make the turn until it’s clear.

There can be multiple errors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree....had the Toyota waited for it's turn, regardless of the speed of BMW, no accident would have happened.

Again (and again), no charges have yet been filed. But looking at what has been described -
1) The Toyota was making a left and yielded to the pedestrians crossing who have the right of way.
2) In stopping to let the pedestrians cross, the Toyota may have blocked oncoming traffic.
3) Only the BMW hit the Toyota, so there did not seem to be any other oncoming traffic that was impacted.
4) If the BMW was speeding, the Toyota likely started the turn while the intersection/road was clear.
5) If the BMW was speeding, the driver loses the ability to claim the Toyota caused the accident as per Virginia law.

I'm having a hard time imagining that no one else here has ever been in a similar situation - you start making a left turn while the opposing traffic is clear, and then need to yield to crossing pedestrians that have the right of way. Heck, it happens to me when I'm turning into my driveway! Anyway, the charges should tell the story.

You don’t make the turn until it’s clear.

There can be multiple errors.

If the BMW was speeding, none of your whatabouting matters. VA law is clear that speeding negates your right away. As has been explained here multiple times.

[Anonymous]

Pakistan? Do you live in US yourself? Open your eyes....you will see people driving above speed limit ALL THE TIME...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree....had the Toyota waited for it's turn, regardless of the speed of BMW, no accident would have happened.

Again (and again), no charges have yet been filed. But looking at what has been described -
1) The Toyota was making a left and yielded to the pedestrians crossing who have the right of way.
2) In stopping to let the pedestrians cross, the Toyota may have blocked oncoming traffic.
3) Only the BMW hit the Toyota, so there did not seem to be any other oncoming traffic that was impacted.
4) If the BMW was speeding, the Toyota likely started the turn while the intersection/road was clear.
5) If the BMW was speeding, the driver loses the ability to claim the Toyota caused the accident as per Virginia law.

I'm having a hard time imagining that no one else here has ever been in a similar situation - you start making a left turn while the opposing traffic is clear, and then need to yield to crossing pedestrians that have the right of way. Heck, it happens to me when I'm turning into my driveway! Anyway, the charges should tell the story.

You don’t make the turn until it’s clear.

There can be multiple errors.

If the BMW was speeding, none of your whatabouting matters. VA law is clear that speeding negates your right away. As has been explained here multiple times.

Great. I’ll go pull out in front of speeding cars. Not my fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I disagree....had the Toyota waited for it's turn, regardless of the speed of BMW, no accident would have happened.

Again (and again), no charges have yet been filed. But looking at what has been described -
1) The Toyota was making a left and yielded to the pedestrians crossing who have the right of way.
2) In stopping to let the pedestrians cross, the Toyota may have blocked oncoming traffic.
3) Only the BMW hit the Toyota, so there did not seem to be any other oncoming traffic that was impacted.
4) If the BMW was speeding, the Toyota likely started the turn while the intersection/road was clear.
5) If the BMW was speeding, the driver loses the ability to claim the Toyota caused the accident as per Virginia law.

I'm having a hard time imagining that no one else here has ever been in a similar situation - you start making a left turn while the opposing traffic is clear, and then need to yield to crossing pedestrians that have the right of way. Heck, it happens to me when I'm turning into my driveway! Anyway, the charges should tell the story.

You don’t make the turn until it’s clear.

There can be multiple errors.

I'm sure it was clear. At 90 mph, it becomes unclear real fast. That's why there are speeding laws in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Unless you were there with a radar gun, you are being presumptuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pakistan? Do you live in US yourself? Open your eyes....you will see people driving above speed limit ALL THE TIME...

I have driven above the speed limit on Blake Lane and I was ticketed by 2 FCPD motorcycle officers with Lasers for it.

But I have never driven 90 mph on Blake and I have a Ferrari with twice the horsepower of that BMW and 2/3rd the weight.