War with Iran Part II

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump has a Lebanese grandson . Not sure what his relationship is with the other son in law but he’s loaded . More
Than Kushner. Tiffany’s father in law helped Trump win the election with Michigan
And is also a senior advisor with middle
East affairs just
Like
Kushner. Trump didn’t forget that. He’s bizarrely attached to Lebanon in a way we did not see with Gaza and I think it’s familial. The Lebanese Christian’s do
Not like
Hezbollah but they also dislike
The Idf blowing
Up all their churches snd iconography which 40
Years of
Hezbollah did not do. My
Bet is the FIL influenced Trump

Maybe, maybe not, but I don't think the familial angle is all that relevant. Lebanon is a far more educated and developed country than the Gaza strip, and has much culture and history to preserve, as well as historical ties to neighbors and to its diaspora. Lebanon has long been an ally of France, for example: there are many well-to-do Lebanese in France, and evidence of French culture in Lebanon. I know you're just comparing body counts, and I agree that protecting all life matters more than handwringing about century-old alliances, cultural artifacts or historical buildings... but the fact is, Lebanon is seen as a more valuable nation overall than the Gaza strip.

Lebanon is seen as more valuable because it is liberal and more westernized and more Christian. However Christianity did not start there. The Gaza strip, Bethlehem, Jericho, Nazareth, Jerusalem were all Palestinian cities and the entire area during the ottoman era was not even called Palestine or Israel but “the holy land”. Lebanon is not land people are willing to die for and not as historically relevant. Israelis themselves always give up with Lebanon.

They won’t however quit regarding the holy land. Much like the crusaders before, they will keep trying to stake a claim there and genocide the natives although history shows the crusaders despite the violence lost because they never gained the holy land

The Gaza Strip connects Asia to Egypt and has lots of history. Yoy can google and find out what Gaza meant to the ancient Egyptians, Israelites, Greeks, and Roman Empire. It was a huge factor

The crusaders took and held the holy lands/Palestine for 200 years. It’s just that the holy lands/Palestine really do not have any strategic value- no natural resources and is between larger more powerful natural states. No country/kingdom/state has existed in the area during modern times before Israel. Many would say Israel is just an extension of US power. The only indigenous states lasted about 200 years before a stronger neighboring state conquered it and that was a long time ago.

Israel 1948 to present(relies heavily on an external state/superpower)
British Mandate (1920–1948) Superpower control
Ottoman Empire (1516–1917) Strong region power
Mamluk Sultanate (1260–1516) Egypt
Crusader Period (1099–1291) European control
Islamic Caliphates (638–1099) Iraq, Iran and Egypt
Byzantine and Roman Empires (63 BCE–638 CE)
Hasmonean Dynasty (140 BCE – 63 BCE): Prior to Rome's arrival, an independent Jewish kingdom ruled the region.
Seleucid Empire (200 BCE – 140 BCE): This was a Hellenistic (Greek) empire that took control of the region after defeating the Ptolemies.
Ptolemaic Kingdom (301 BCE – 200 BCE): Greek successor state based in Egypt.
Empire of Alexander the Great (332 BCE – 301 BCE): Alexander the Great conquered the entire region from the Persians.
Achaemenid Persian Empire (539 BCE – 332 BCE): The Persians ruled the region for over two centuries after conquering Babylon.
Neo-Babylonian Empire (605 BCE – 539 BCE): Babylonians seized the region from Egypt and Assyria.
Egyptian Twenty-Sixth Dynasty (609 BCE – 605 BCE): Egypt temporarily moved north and exerted dominant military.
Neo-Assyrian Empire (722 BCE – 609 BCE): Mesopotamian superpower conquered the northern Kingdom of Israel in 722 BCE and turned the southern Kingdom of Judah into a subservient vassal state.
Independent Kingdoms of Israel and Judah (c. 930 BCE – 722/586 BCE): Kingdom of Israel in the north and the Kingdom of Judah in the south.
United Monarchy of Israel (c. 1020 BCE – 930 BCE)

[Anonymous]

Why does Trump threaten Iran instead of threatening Israel every time Israel violates the ceasefire?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what are we going to do when Iran sells the oil we licensed and then closes the Strait again?

Why would they close it again?
It’s not in their best interest or their supporters.
What they showed in this war is they take proportional measures when attacked.

Indeed, it's sad to say that this terrorist petrostate has behaved much more consistently and rationally than the US and Israel.

What have we come to.

How are they a terrorist petrostate? They invaded no one not even Israel.

Israel’s the one that keeps invading Lebanon .. and losing. Hezbollahs been there for 45 years. Has not been an existential threat once.

Israel pokes the bear and wonders why a bear is there instead of a sitting duck. People need to be armed to teeth over there as protection against Israel for obvious reasons

[Anonymous]

The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

I wouldn't go that far. We have to give Iran money for our surrender

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

I wouldn't go that far. We have to give Iran money for our surrender

Congress needs to appropriate those monies though. Unless Trump is going to write a check from DoD or Commerce or whatever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

I wouldn't go that far. We have to give Iran money for our surrender

The money is not Congress's to appropriate. The money is Iran's money that we've been holding for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

Wow, the Israeli lobby is not going to be happy with these dissenters. Will they get the Massie treatment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

I wouldn't go that far. We have to give Iran money for our surrender

The money is not Congress's to appropriate. The money is Iran's money that we've been holding for decades.

The $300B is money Trump will "arrange" as a reparation fund ON TOP of Iran's frozen assets. It's in the MOU. If Trump doesn't pony up he's violated the agreement and then back to closing down the SOH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

I wouldn't go that far. We have to give Iran money for our surrender

The money is not Congress's to appropriate. The money is Iran's money that we've been holding for decades.

The $300B is money Trump will "arrange" as a reparation fund ON TOP of Iran's frozen assets. It's in the MOU. If Trump doesn't pony up he's violated the agreement and then back to closing down the SOH.

lol Everyone knows Trump word is worthless. This is why the Iranians are only doing things after they are paid. Also Trump is not paying for anything. It all the gulf states. If the gulf states do not come forwards with the money the Iranians raise the rate on tankers moving through the straits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does Trump threaten Iran instead of threatening Israel every time Israel violates the ceasefire?

israel has the esptein files

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

I wouldn't go that far. We have to give Iran money for our surrender

The money is not Congress's to appropriate. The money is Iran's money that we've been holding for decades.

The $300B is money Trump will "arrange" as a reparation fund ON TOP of Iran's frozen assets. It's in the MOU. If Trump doesn't pony up he's violated the agreement and then back to closing down the SOH.

Rubio is currently in the ME begging companies to invest in Iran to get that $300 b.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

I wouldn't go that far. We have to give Iran money for our surrender

The money is not Congress's to appropriate. The money is Iran's money that we've been holding for decades.

The $300B is money Trump will "arrange" as a reparation fund ON TOP of Iran's frozen assets. It's in the MOU. If Trump doesn't pony up he's violated the agreement and then back to closing down the SOH.

lol Everyone knows Trump word is worthless. This is why the Iranians are only doing things after they are paid. Also Trump is not paying for anything. It all the gulf states. If the gulf states do not come forwards with the money the Iranians raise the rate on tankers moving through the straits.

Yes, the Gulf States will pay but we will refund their money with an "aid" package of US funds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US Senate on Tuesday approved a war powers resolution preventing Donald Trump from continuing the conflict with Iran, delivering the president a significant but symbolic rebuke over a conflict that has proven unpopular with the US public.

The resolution passed by a 50-48 vote, with four Republicans – Susan Collins of Maine, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana and Rand Paul of Kentucky – breaking with their party to vote in favor. John Fetterman, of Pennsylvania, was the sole Democrat to vote against it.

Fetterman is insufferable

So. Practically speaking what effect does this have? No more funding for anything connected to Trump’s debacle??

I wouldn't go that far. We have to give Iran money for our surrender

The money is not Congress's to appropriate. The money is Iran's money that we've been holding for decades.

The $300B is money Trump will "arrange" as a reparation fund ON TOP of Iran's frozen assets. It's in the MOU. If Trump doesn't pony up he's violated the agreement and then back to closing down the SOH.

lol Everyone knows Trump word is worthless. This is why the Iranians are only doing things after they are paid. Also Trump is not paying for anything. It all the gulf states. If the gulf states do not come forwards with the money the Iranians raise the rate on tankers moving through the straits.

Yes, the Gulf States will pay but we will refund their money with an "aid" package of US funds.

No. We will only give “aid” to Israel. You really think Trump will live up to anything he signs? The Gulf states are in Chinese orbit now. They will cut their own deals with Iran. They already have.