Consolidated VA Elections Thread

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my take on all of this and sorry if it's been said. I'm not going through the last 100+ pages or however many there have been since the election was called:

If Youngkin winning shows R candidates that they don't need to be full on Trump/MAGA to win, that is a good thing for our country. Trump is absolutely toxic. If this win emboldens Republicans to actually have a platform other than Trump's whims and stop being crazy conspiracy theorists then there may be hope for our country yet.

This is a good point. CNN had on some former politicians (both Republicans I think) who said essentially the same thing. The Trump base alone (like the progressive wing of the Dems) is not large enough to carry a national level or large state election. Maybe Virginia showed some Republicans that they don’t need to go full MAGA to win elections, Youngkin was actually helped by the fact that Trump didn’t show up here.

This should be interesting. I posted here a million pages ago that this should show Republicans how bad Trump was because the margins for Youngkin - who was trying not to be Trumpy - and Ciaterelli - who was absolutely Trumpy - were both so much better than actual Trump got. But then Trump and RNC chair Ronna Romney both came out and claimed that the victories were all about Trump. So maybe they won’t learn anything.

Does this mean that the GOP can finally dump Trump? That would certainly be an excellent silver lining.

You can do it! Grow a spine!

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Anonymous wrote:I've been at work all afternoon and evening and just stopped in to see how the meltdown is going. What'd I miss?

McAuliffe conceded. Northam is starting transition tomorrow.

I had no idea he was interested in becoming a woman!

Oh and I forgot to mention that Rs continue to be POSs. Thanks for the reminder.

Hate has no home here!

I have a lot of hate for Rs. It's no secret. And I don't mind going low.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been at work all afternoon and evening and just stopped in to see how the meltdown is going. What'd I miss?

McAuliffe conceded. Northam is starting transition tomorrow.

I had no idea he was interested in becoming a woman!

Oh and I forgot to mention that Rs continue to be POSs. Thanks for the reminder.

Hate has no home here!

I have a lot of hate for Rs. It's no secret. And I don't mind going low.

As Michelle Obama once said, When they go llow, we’ll go high!

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my take on all of this and sorry if it's been said. I'm not going through the last 100+ pages or however many there have been since the election was called:

If Youngkin winning shows R candidates that they don't need to be full on Trump/MAGA to win, that is a good thing for our country. Trump is absolutely toxic. If this win emboldens Republicans to actually have a platform other than Trump's whims and stop being crazy conspiracy theorists then there may be hope for our country yet.

This is a good point. CNN had on some former politicians (both Republicans I think) who said essentially the same thing. The Trump base alone (like the progressive wing of the Dems) is not large enough to carry a national level or large state election. Maybe Virginia showed some Republicans that they don’t need to go full MAGA to win elections, Youngkin was actually helped by the fact that Trump didn’t show up here.

This should be interesting. I posted here a million pages ago that this should show Republicans how bad Trump was because the margins for Youngkin - who was trying not to be Trumpy - and Ciaterelli - who was absolutely Trumpy - were both so much better than actual Trump got. But then Trump and RNC chair Ronna Romney both came out and claimed that the victories were all about Trump. So maybe they won’t learn anything.

But didn’t Ciaterelli lose (albeit narrowly)? Which further proves the point that sticking with Trump means alienating the independent voters that can win elections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my take on all of this and sorry if it's been said. I'm not going through the last 100+ pages or however many there have been since the election was called:

If Youngkin winning shows R candidates that they don't need to be full on Trump/MAGA to win, that is a good thing for our country. Trump is absolutely toxic. If this win emboldens Republicans to actually have a platform other than Trump's whims and stop being crazy conspiracy theorists then there may be hope for our country yet.

This is a good point. CNN had on some former politicians (both Republicans I think) who said essentially the same thing. The Trump base alone (like the progressive wing of the Dems) is not large enough to carry a national level or large state election. Maybe Virginia showed some Republicans that they don’t need to go full MAGA to win elections, Youngkin was actually helped by the fact that Trump didn’t show up here.

This should be interesting. I posted here a million pages ago that this should show Republicans how bad Trump was because the margins for Youngkin - who was trying not to be Trumpy - and Ciaterelli - who was absolutely Trumpy - were both so much better than actual Trump got. But then Trump and RNC chair Ronna Romney both came out and claimed that the victories were all about Trump. So maybe they won’t learn anything.

But didn’t Ciaterelli lose (albeit narrowly)? Which further proves the point that sticking with Trump means alienating the independent voters that can win elections.

PP here. To be clear I’m not arguing with you, PP above me. I’m arguing the Trump and Ronna are wrong about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my take on all of this and sorry if it's been said. I'm not going through the last 100+ pages or however many there have been since the election was called:

If Youngkin winning shows R candidates that they don't need to be full on Trump/MAGA to win, that is a good thing for our country. Trump is absolutely toxic. If this win emboldens Republicans to actually have a platform other than Trump's whims and stop being crazy conspiracy theorists then there may be hope for our country yet.

This is a good point. CNN had on some former politicians (both Republicans I think) who said essentially the same thing. The Trump base alone (like the progressive wing of the Dems) is not large enough to carry a national level or large state election. Maybe Virginia showed some Republicans that they don’t need to go full MAGA to win elections, Youngkin was actually helped by the fact that Trump didn’t show up here.

This should be interesting. I posted here a million pages ago that this should show Republicans how bad Trump was because the margins for Youngkin - who was trying not to be Trumpy - and Ciaterelli - who was absolutely Trumpy - were both so much better than actual Trump got. But then Trump and RNC chair Ronna Romney both came out and claimed that the victories were all about Trump. So maybe they won’t learn anything.

But didn’t Ciaterelli lose (albeit narrowly)? Which further proves the point that sticking with Trump means alienating the independent voters that can win elections.

Ciatterelli lost but he flipped back tons of areas that had gone hard for Biden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my take on all of this and sorry if it's been said. I'm not going through the last 100+ pages or however many there have been since the election was called:

If Youngkin winning shows R candidates that they don't need to be full on Trump/MAGA to win, that is a good thing for our country. Trump is absolutely toxic. If this win emboldens Republicans to actually have a platform other than Trump's whims and stop being crazy conspiracy theorists then there may be hope for our country yet.

This is a good point. CNN had on some former politicians (both Republicans I think) who said essentially the same thing. The Trump base alone (like the progressive wing of the Dems) is not large enough to carry a national level or large state election. Maybe Virginia showed some Republicans that they don’t need to go full MAGA to win elections, Youngkin was actually helped by the fact that Trump didn’t show up here.

This should be interesting. I posted here a million pages ago that this should show Republicans how bad Trump was because the margins for Youngkin - who was trying not to be Trumpy - and Ciaterelli - who was absolutely Trumpy - were both so much better than actual Trump got. But then Trump and RNC chair Ronna Romney both came out and claimed that the victories were all about Trump. So maybe they won’t learn anything.

But didn’t Ciaterelli lose (albeit narrowly)? Which further proves the point that sticking with Trump means alienating the independent voters that can win elections.

This is the conundrum facing Republicans in 2022 and beyond. In order to flip congressional seats and state governorships, and eventually the WH, they need to sway some moderates and independents, but it was those very voters whose votes in 2020 were actually more against Trump than for Biden. Unseating Dems in purple/swing areas is not going to be accomplished by being Trumpy or trotting him out on the campaign trail, but they also can’t have his base turn on them. It’s a tightrope to walk but Youngkin showed how it can be done.

[Anonymous]

He didn’t actually distance himself from Trump. The attraction to school board issues issues, masking, school openings- all Trumpian. And Trump thanked his base for Youngkin's win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He didn’t actually distance himself from Trump. The attraction to school board issues issues, masking, school openings- all Trumpian. And Trump thanked his base for Youngkin's win.

False. I'm a liberal Dem who hates Trump, knows that CRT is being taught in our schools and, can't wait to see how Youkin deals with it.

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Honest answer: republicans see Asians as a useful tool to dismantle affirmative action.

That’s pretty much it.

I'll believe that, when I see Republicans actually trying to dismantle affirmative action. Largely it is Asians that are pushing the issue, and the Republicans are ignoring them, and largely not campaigning for Asian votes at all. Republicans could do much better in Loudoun and Fairfax if they ran against affirmative action.

That's the thing, they will not come out and try to dismantle the program. They are using a proxy.

Yes they will. Every time banning race in admissions has made it to a ballot, the measure has passed. I’m surprised it hasn’t happens in VA yet

Generally the Republican candidates end up opposing such measures. Even Newt Gingrich backed off when they took control of Congress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my take on all of this and sorry if it's been said. I'm not going through the last 100+ pages or however many there have been since the election was called:

If Youngkin winning shows R candidates that they don't need to be full on Trump/MAGA to win, that is a good thing for our country. Trump is absolutely toxic. If this win emboldens Republicans to actually have a platform other than Trump's whims and stop being crazy conspiracy theorists then there may be hope for our country yet.

This is a good point. CNN had on some former politicians (both Republicans I think) who said essentially the same thing. The Trump base alone (like the progressive wing of the Dems) is not large enough to carry a national level or large state election. Maybe Virginia showed some Republicans that they don’t need to go full MAGA to win elections, Youngkin was actually helped by the fact that Trump didn’t show up here.

This should be interesting. I posted here a million pages ago that this should show Republicans how bad Trump was because the margins for Youngkin - who was trying not to be Trumpy - and Ciaterelli - who was absolutely Trumpy - were both so much better than actual Trump got. But then Trump and RNC chair Ronna Romney both came out and claimed that the victories were all about Trump. So maybe they won’t learn anything.

But didn’t Ciaterelli lose (albeit narrowly)? Which further proves the point that sticking with Trump means alienating the independent voters that can win elections.

Ciatterelli lost but he flipped back tons of areas that had gone hard for Biden.

Which in the end, is still a loss. Had he distanced himself just a little more, perhaps he would have appealed to just a few more voters.

[Anonymous]

I'm pretty surprised at the NJ results (I grew up in NJ). Their state was up +15 R, even though the R lost, where VA was up +12 R but the R won.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my take on all of this and sorry if it's been said. I'm not going through the last 100+ pages or however many there have been since the election was called:

If Youngkin winning shows R candidates that they don't need to be full on Trump/MAGA to win, that is a good thing for our country. Trump is absolutely toxic. If this win emboldens Republicans to actually have a platform other than Trump's whims and stop being crazy conspiracy theorists then there may be hope for our country yet.

This is a good point. CNN had on some former politicians (both Republicans I think) who said essentially the same thing. The Trump base alone (like the progressive wing of the Dems) is not large enough to carry a national level or large state election. Maybe Virginia showed some Republicans that they don’t need to go full MAGA to win elections, Youngkin was actually helped by the fact that Trump didn’t show up here.

This should be interesting. I posted here a million pages ago that this should show Republicans how bad Trump was because the margins for Youngkin - who was trying not to be Trumpy - and Ciaterelli - who was absolutely Trumpy - were both so much better than actual Trump got. But then Trump and RNC chair Ronna Romney both came out and claimed that the victories were all about Trump. So maybe they won’t learn anything.

But didn’t Ciaterelli lose (albeit narrowly)? Which further proves the point that sticking with Trump means alienating the independent voters that can win elections.

. Lawyers are on their way up there to address the voting issues in Bergen county

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm pretty surprised at the NJ results (I grew up in NJ). Their state was up +15 R, even though the R lost, where VA was up +12 R but the R won.

Well that’s what happens when 100+ of the vote is counted but *ooops* we forgot these and these and these.