Why do Rs hate the LGBTQ community?

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

This isn’t about forcing beliefs. Sex ed isn’t just about bodies. It teaches kids not to shame or exclude others for being gay or trans. That’s part of preventing homophobia, no matter your personal or religious beliefs.

You can believe what you want and teach your child your opinions at home. But when those beliefs are used to restrict education, that's when they can cause real harm. What exactly are you afraid of happening here?

But unfortunately, this is what it has come to...from both extreme sides.
Explain this scenario to me....remembering that my DD was friends with trans kid in HS...

I am driving my DD and her two friends somewhere (one of which is trans). The non-trans friend just got a puppy and was excited to share the news...she mentioned that the puppy was a boy and so was thinking of boy names. Nothing wrong right?
The trans friend (instead of just going along with the conversation) then asked why it had to be a boy name...that its gender shouldn't matter. IMHO this is pushing/forcing your beliefs.

When this happened, I remained silent. My DD was in the passenger seat next to me and just rolled her eyes. I was proud at the way in which my DD and and her non-trans friend responded...they simply changed the subject and that was that.

But had the trans friend continued to push her gender ideology....I just might have had to speak up. Respect is a two way street.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm.

What people don’t understand is that gender is not just whether you have a penis of a vagina. Gender is biological, but it has as much to do with brain structure as the physical aspects. It’s perfectly possible for someone to be born the “wrong” gender insofar as their mental outlook is no aligned with their genetalia. It’s not about accepting or supporting the Trans lifestyle - it’s about acknowledging biological reality. I see no reason why biological reality shouldn’t be taught in schools.

This complicated concept does not belong in Elementary School.
There is biological gender sex (science), and there is gender identity (belief/feeling) that may or may not match biological gender sex.
I believe that your gender identity at birth matches your biological sex at birth (male/female). Period. You are born a girl/boy, man/woman. You can have your beliefs and I can have mine. Just respect my beliefs and I'll respect yours.
I do believe in gender dysphoria but I don't believe it is the "norm" and as prevalent as people seem to think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

This isn’t about forcing beliefs. Sex ed isn’t just about bodies. It teaches kids not to shame or exclude others for being gay or trans. That’s part of preventing homophobia, no matter your personal or religious beliefs.

You can believe what you want and teach your child your opinions at home. But when those beliefs are used to restrict education, that's when they can cause real harm. What exactly are you afraid of happening here?

Education needs to be age-appropriate. Teaching six-year-old children that doctors guess a person's sex, there is such a thing as gendered soul (the wrong body BS), and other gender ideology is not appropriate. YOU teach that opinion to YOUR young child; leave ours out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

This isn’t about forcing beliefs. Sex ed isn’t just about bodies. It teaches kids not to shame or exclude others for being gay or trans. That’s part of preventing homophobia, no matter your personal or religious beliefs.

You can believe what you want and teach your child your opinions at home. But when those beliefs are used to restrict education, that's when they can cause real harm. What exactly are you afraid of happening here?

Education needs to be age-appropriate. Teaching six-year-old children that doctors guess a person's sex, there is such a thing as gendered soul (the wrong body BS), and other gender ideology is not appropriate. YOU teach that opinion to YOUR young child; leave ours out of it.

This. +100
Gender Identity is what is at the core issue here....and it has nothing to do with being R or D, it has nothing to do with being religious. It is a pure belief system. I had twins...one a biological male and the other a biological female. They were born with the gender identity of boy and a girl because that is my belief. I brought them up as boy/girl.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

This isn’t about forcing beliefs. Sex ed isn’t just about bodies. It teaches kids not to shame or exclude others for being gay or trans. That’s part of preventing homophobia, no matter your personal or religious beliefs.

You can believe what you want and teach your child your opinions at home. But when those beliefs are used to restrict education, that's when they can cause real harm. What exactly are you afraid of happening here?

Education needs to be age-appropriate. Teaching six-year-old children that doctors guess a person's sex, there is such a thing as gendered soul (the wrong body BS), and other gender ideology is not appropriate. YOU teach that opinion to YOUR young child; leave ours out of it.

Reading a book with content you don't believe in isn't "teaching". If that is the bar we are setting any mention of an imaginary being does not belong in any book in school.

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

The manipulative and discredited use of suicide in this way is so incredibly cynical. It is part of the reason that public support is dropping. This sort of casual and wildly inappropriate reference to a complex and delicate topic such as youth suicide is flatly evil.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

If you are saying that you believe gender ideology is as much of a fundamentalist religious belief system as creationism, I agree with you. I would be fine if gender ideology was taught as the one of the varied religious beliefs it is.

Put it in a comparative religion class in high school: “There are people who believe that all humans have gender souls that exist apart from their body and that are more important than their physical body. They believe in the physical mortification of the body to demonstrate their adherence to those religious beliefs, in some cases permanently altering the bodies of children. This is a neoreligion that has always existed, but that only came into prominence globally from about the 1980s onward, when the availability of certain medical procedures became more widespread.” Etc.

I would be fine with that. I am not at all fine teaching young children as fact that they have gender souls that can transmute them into a different identity. That’s state sponsorship of religious belief and it is not a religious belief I share.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm.

What people don’t understand is that gender is not just whether you have a penis of a vagina. Gender is biological, but it has as much to do with brain structure as the physical aspects. It’s perfectly possible for someone to be born the “wrong” gender insofar as their mental outlook is no aligned with their genetalia. It’s not about accepting or supporting the Trans lifestyle - it’s about acknowledging biological reality. I see no reason why biological reality shouldn’t be taught in schools.

This complicated concept does not belong in Elementary School.
There is biological gender sex (science), and there is gender identity (belief/feeling) that may or may not match biological gender sex.
I believe that your gender identity at birth matches your biological sex at birth (male/female). Period. You are born a girl/boy, man/woman. You can have your beliefs and I can have mine. Just respect my beliefs and I'll respect yours.
I do believe in gender dysphoria but I don't believe it is the "norm" and as prevalent as people seem to think it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I want to tell parents they can’t opt out because it is a nightmare to manage this.

I want people to use common sense that books about gender dysphoria don’t need to be a part of the 2nd grade curriculum.

I don’t want this to be a slippery slope situation. What if I don’t want my kid to be read books about Muslims? (Again I really don’t care but this has big implications.)

We have a close family friend that is trans and my 2nd grader understands that she identifies as a woman, but was once a man. This has not confused my child. I think children are capable of understanding a diversity of human experiences... Far more capable than many adults.

Children’s brains are not fully formed, hence they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation. It’s why they are targeted by activists for their nonsense, most adults know better.

Of they are susceptible to indoctrination, brainwashing, and all kinds of ridiculous manipulation, the first thing to be removed from every school is the reciting of the pledge.

Students aren’t required to pledge allegiance to the flag. In Maryland, parents were not allowed to opt the children out of controversial sex and gender discussions. Get it now?

Youre homophobic, do you see that? Gay kis come from straight parents. Christians and homophobic parents will have gay kids. Making inclusive sex ed available to every child ensures everyone is covered, even those with homophobic parents and no safe place to get age appropriate information elsewhere.

DP. Do you think it okay for the kids to have to watch/listen/read a picture book that tells them that the doctor guesses what gender they are at birth--and that the doc sometimes makes mistakes?

How would you feel if we went back to teaching creationism and you could not opt out?

My child has heard all about creationism because he has a diverse group of friends and kids dont hide things from each other. We've also told him to not step on other's beliefs when he's told something he knows not to be true because these beliefs are important to them and their family. We can handle it. Why cant you talk to your child about gay sex and what your home thinks of it like we do with kids who believe Adam and Eve were the first humans?

So you okay with schools teaching creationism as fact, then? That’s an interesting position.

I would be fine with creationism being taught if it was right along the big bang and other beginning of time stories either via cultural anthropology or science. I wouldn't be okay with creationism being taught on its own. Just like for sex ed, I wouldn't be okay with only gay sex ed to be covered, Id like the diversity of human sexuality to be covered.

The same should hold true regarding teaching about gender identity....all beliefs regarding gender identity should be taught...either you teach it holistically, addressing all beliefs or you don't teach it at all. Solely teaching that gender identity is fluid is wrong.

I agree with that. I assume that's what is happening. If not, then yes, even my ultra progressive family would take
issue with that.

Why would you assume “that’s what’s happening?” Are you completely avoiding the news and what SCOTUS ruled on?

I know what's happening in my child's classroom. Im involved and friends with my child's teacher.

I cant assume what's going on that making all the homophobic freak out. Logic is to say it's your personal beliefs making your anxiety run wild, but again, I cant assume.

It's not homophobic to believe that you are born either a boy or girl based on your biological sex. It's not homophobic to disagree with those who believe you are born with no gender identity. It is homophobic if you don't allow your child to play with or be friends with someone who is trans and believes you are born with no gender identity.

And by proxy it's homophobic to not allow someone to read a book that may have trans or same sex couples represented. They exist whether you agree with it or not.

Valid argument....but you must understand the history of the gender identity progressive beliefs and the way it is being taught and pushed....that everyone must believe and support only the gender identity ideology of the extreme progressives. That's where things went sideways and we all lost common sense. The "popularization" and "trendiness" of the LGBTQ+ lifestyle....attempting to make it the norm.

OP here. Can you define what you mean by the “lifestyle”? People keep using this term and I have no clue what it means.

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

But why does lgb have to get dragged into this ugliness? I know a lot of lg that say there is a civil war between lgb on the one hand, and t on the other hand, and that the t’s have got to go. It makes no sense to lump with lgb.

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

But why does lgb have to get dragged into this ugliness? I know a lot of lg that say there is a civil war between lgb on the one hand, and t on the other hand, and that the t’s have got to go. It makes no sense to lump with lgb.

... You're asking a serious question as to why we cant just discriminate the Ts? Oh boy.

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

Schizophrenic, anorexic, bipolar, autistic people have always existed. Many of these people are unhappy. But school doesn't single these diseases out for special celebration and books just for them. What about their suffering?

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

Schizophrenic, anorexic, bipolar, autistic people have always existed. Many of these people are unhappy. But school doesn't single these diseases out for special celebration and books just for them. What about their suffering?

Exactly the point lgb make

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This thread has spoken for itself. The Rs hate LGBTQ people because they just do and theyre afraid of them for no good reason and a LOT of whataboutism. Bigotry is why.

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Anonymous wrote:The t’s are just absolutely ruining it for everyone else in lgbt as this thread shows. The lgb need to divorce the t’s. Why are the t’s even part of lgbt?

Trans people aren’t new. They’ve always existed.

Maryland is right not to allow opt-outs. Public schools shouldn’t teach religion, and they shouldn’t erase LGBTQ+ people because of it. If your beliefs conflict, that’s something to handle at home or in your faith community.

Over 50% of trans and nonbinary youth seriously considered suicide last year (Trevor Project). That’s not because they’re being "taught" to be trans. It’s because they’re being told, over and over, that who they are is unacceptable.

Visibility saves lives. This isn't a difficult concept.

But why does lgb have to get dragged into this ugliness? I know a lot of lg that say there is a civil war between lgb on the one hand, and t on the other hand, and that the t’s have got to go. It makes no sense to lump with lgb.

... You're asking a serious question as to why we cant just discriminate the Ts? Oh boy.

No, we are saying that sexual attraction has ZERO to do with trans identity.