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DP: I don't think that it's the same at all. St. Andrew accepts less qualified international applicants than their UK students. T20s in the US accept the best applicants in the world -- I don't think international students are more easily accepted than US students. In fact, for the T20 that are need blind for international students, the acceptance rate is often lower than the US acceptance rate. |
Did he not even get an offer? Or did he get an offer for three A* results? |
No offer. Straight rejection. And he was not alone. 3 of our friends were in similar situation. Granted, their kids were applying to popular programmes like Classics/History, Economics/Math and IR. All of these 4 kids achieved A* A* A and one was A* A* A*. All rejected. All from Manchester. This is infuriating. |
That is frustrating. I've read that many admissions officers don't trust predicted grades and make decisions based on GCSEs, and that many/ most kids like this in the UK -- without great offers but with great A levels -- take a gap year and reapply with joy. But if a kid doesn't have exciting plans, a gap year can be long . . . . |
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Quite right. We offered our son the chance to take a gap year for precisely this reason, but he was so upset at the time that he wouldn’t hear of it.
On the bright side, he’s had two wonderful years at Exeter, made a fantastic group of friends, and it does seem to be working out for him. Still, it’s hard not to feel frustrated when I see kids here in the US,kids he could run rings around academically, receiving offers from St Andrews and their parents casually stating it was easy, when he was turned down. |
This is dated information, and the upward trend of H-W GPAs, applicants and offer rates by GPA tier is pretty extreme if you look across the past several years of data… it’s a microcosm of StA’s growing popularity and selectivity. Contextually, H-W is one of the very top HS’s in the country and has long been a StA feeder. But they also have grade deflation… it’d be very interesting to see their related SAT and AP scores. |
If you dont mind me asking how are both of your Oxford and St Andrews kids doing? And is your 3rd one enjoying Northwestern? |
What are people in the UK doing with classics degrees for it to be so popular? |
Classics is one of the easiest Oxbridge courses to get into, which is part of its appeal. Employers of all kinds like Classics. Many end up in law. |
According to its own school profile, half of H-W’s graduating class in 2024 had a GPA of 4.0 or higher and a 3.2 to 3.4 is very near the bottom of the class. H-W is no more immune to grade inflation than any other school. |
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Also, assuming a 50 percent yield, which is assuming a lot, in 2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees. That suggests an acceptance rate of 50% if not more.
The reason why California and New York combined have 1/3 of the enrolled students is because the two states combined have about 1/5 of the entire US population. And the reason why there are so many from Connecticut is because of boarding schools. As for DC nobody from DC public schools is going to Saint Andrews — it’s rich people from the top private schools choosing to go after not getting into a top USA private university. St Andrew’s is a good school for sure, but let’s not get carried away. It’s not in the same league as the top USA privates and isn’t nearly as competitive in admissions either — for American applicants at least. |
What is your source for "2023 there were 2200 USA applications and 471 enrollees" ? Seems off. St Andrews is definitely easier to get into for Americans, but very competitive for UK students. Graduate prospectus is very good. Brown/Dartmouth/Wesleyan are comparable. |
No way -- for American students, St Andrews is a MUCH easier admit than Wesleyan and a MUCH MUCH easier admit than Brown or Dartmouth. Great school, so smart Americans who get shut out of top US schools are wise to look there. |
How did they get into Northwestern as an international student? Did they seek financial aid? Which extracurricular activities did they have? |
There is no “they.” It is him. My son scored 1590 on the SAT and 36 on the ACT, one sitting each time. He found both tests super easy. And yet, he had the lowest A-levels of my three children. He applied for financial aid and was given close to 50%. They are need aware for international students, but they gave us exactly what we needed to make it work. Most of his extracurriculars were sports, and in his final year here he was lucky enough to work with an economics professor at UCL. |