Why are ivies and other elite NE schools out, southern schools in?

[Anonymous]

I don’t think either side is particularly jealous of the other. Extremely different, so you prefer one or the other. Thankfully with admissions in the era of shotgunning not everyone likes the same things. One thing is clear though, the Ivy/elite students could choose, the others couldn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Tucker Carlson's boarding school daughter was a KKG at SMU. But sure, it's all dumb white trash in the South. Y'all are a joke.

Tucker Carlson is the poster child for "White Trash whisperer" so that actually makes sense. The joke is in your mirror.

Morning Joe's Joe Scarborough's kids all went to SEC colleges. Is he a white trash whisperer, too?

Who TF cares where Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough’s kids went to school? Are you serious with this?

[Anonymous]

Ivies are not out but most people would put Stanford and MIT ahead of all ivy except maybe Harvard.

Duke probably ahead of all but HYP.

Schoola like Emory, Vanderbilt, UNC, Florida, UVA, GaTech, pretty will regarded.

Lord of the Southern second tier schools are more attractive than schools in Northeast.

I didn't know why people even go to northeastern anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:The SEC jealously is extreme. Something about attractive, fun, AND successful kids going south must really trigger you grannies.

I am genuinely glad there is something for everyone, but there is no jealousy. If the NE elite kids wanted the SEC they could have had it and likely with a full-ride. It doesn’t appeal to many, but obviously does for others.

Not if they want UF, UGA, Texas. Very hard admits OOS and money is even harder.

Not for the Ivy/elite crowd they only end up at southern publics if it’s a Morehead or possibly Jefferson scholarship. High stats but not the package may be attracted to Alabama, but they weren’t getting in to the very top.

For the very tiny percentage of students in the northeast who are more or less assured of an Ivy admission, of course they are not considering Alabama. But many will look at Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice in the South. And Chicago and Northwestern and even Notre Dame in the Midwest. And Stanford and CalTech on the West Coast. Alabama is not the right comparison. But generally, the southern state schools are far better than public schools in the northeast. And there are gazillions of students in NY and New England who will happily choose Texas-Austin, UVA, Georgia Tech, UNC-Chapel Hill, Florida, or Georgia over Rhode Island or UConn or SUNY in the northeast - if they can get in.

Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice aren't trying to be Ivy League schools. They all have very strong identities. They don't need the Ivy League and are doing just fine. And increasingly, students prefer them over many of the Ivy schools. But more importantly, the southern publics are almost all universally better than their counterparts in the northeast. So you get both a better education and a better experience down South. And for the 90 percent of families that are price sensitive, the southern publics are a much better value than the vast majority of schools in the northeast.

The Ivies have the advantage of history. But other than that, the northeast has dropped the ball in public education. Every other region - the south, the midwest, the mountain west, the west coast - does it better. You only have one chance to go to college. Outside of HYPM, and BU, BC, NYU, and Tufts, why would you want to go to a university in the northeast? They are generally very middling, expensive, cold, grey, and often depressing.

[Anonymous]

For all the people saying why would you want to go to a school in the northeast, they are just as confused why anyone would choose the south. People are different, no one’s changing anyone else’s mind.

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Anonymous wrote:The SEC jealously is extreme. Something about attractive, fun, AND successful kids going south must really trigger you grannies.

I am genuinely glad there is something for everyone, but there is no jealousy. If the NE elite kids wanted the SEC they could have had it and likely with a full-ride. It doesn’t appeal to many, but obviously does for others.

Not if they want UF, UGA, Texas. Very hard admits OOS and money is even harder.

Not for the Ivy/elite crowd they only end up at southern publics if it’s a Morehead or possibly Jefferson scholarship. High stats but not the package may be attracted to Alabama, but they weren’t getting in to the very top.

For the very tiny percentage of students in the northeast who are more or less assured of an Ivy admission, of course they are not considering Alabama. But many will look at Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice in the South. And Chicago and Northwestern and even Notre Dame in the Midwest. And Stanford and CalTech on the West Coast. Alabama is not the right comparison. But generally, the southern state schools are far better than public schools in the northeast. And there are gazillions of students in NY and New England who will happily choose Texas-Austin, UVA, Georgia Tech, UNC-Chapel Hill, Florida, or Georgia over Rhode Island or UConn or SUNY in the northeast - if they can get in.

Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice aren't trying to be Ivy League schools. They all have very strong identities. They don't need the Ivy League and are doing just fine. And increasingly, students prefer them over many of the Ivy schools. But more importantly, the southern publics are almost all universally better than their counterparts in the northeast. So you get both a better education and a better experience down South. And for the 90 percent of families that are price sensitive, the southern publics are a much better value than the vast majority of schools in the northeast.

The Ivies have the advantage of history. But other than that, the northeast has dropped the ball in public education. Every other region - the south, the midwest, the mountain west, the west coast - does it better. You only have one chance to go to college. Outside of HYPM, and BU, BC, NYU, and Tufts, why would you want to go to a university in the northeast? They are generally very middling, expensive, cold, grey, and often depressing.

The same can be said for the upper Midwest - which is far bleaker weather and geography and where no talented kid wants to live after college. (At least Acela corridor still has booming job centers.)

Why would anyone go to Wisconsin, Michigan or Indiana over Alabama, UGA or Clemson?

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Anonymous wrote:The SEC jealously is extreme. Something about attractive, fun, AND successful kids going south must really trigger you grannies.

I am genuinely glad there is something for everyone, but there is no jealousy. If the NE elite kids wanted the SEC they could have had it and likely with a full-ride. It doesn’t appeal to many, but obviously does for others.

Not if they want UF, UGA, Texas. Very hard admits OOS and money is even harder.

Not for the Ivy/elite crowd they only end up at southern publics if it’s a Morehead or possibly Jefferson scholarship. High stats but not the package may be attracted to Alabama, but they weren’t getting in to the very top.

For the very tiny percentage of students in the northeast who are more or less assured of an Ivy admission, of course they are not considering Alabama. But many will look at Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rice in the South. And Chicago and Northwestern and even Notre Dame in the Midwest. And Stanford and CalTech on the West Coast. Alabama is not the right comparison. But generally, the southern state schools are far better than public schools in the northeast. And there are gazillions of students in NY and New England who will happily choose Texas-Austin, UVA, Georgia Tech, UNC-Chapel Hill, Florida, or Georgia over Rhode Island or UConn or SUNY in the northeast - if they can get in.

Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice aren't trying to be Ivy League schools. They all have very strong identities. They don't need the Ivy League and are doing just fine. And increasingly, students prefer them over many of the Ivy schools. But more importantly, the southern publics are almost all universally better than their counterparts in the northeast. So you get both a better education and a better experience down South. And for the 90 percent of families that are price sensitive, the southern publics are a much better value than the vast majority of schools in the northeast.

The Ivies have the advantage of history. But other than that, the northeast has dropped the ball in public education. Every other region - the south, the midwest, the mountain west, the west coast - does it better. You only have one chance to go to college. Outside of HYPM, and BU, BC, NYU, and Tufts, why would you want to go to a university in the northeast? They are generally very middling, expensive, cold, grey, and often depressing.

The same can be said for the upper Midwest - which is far bleaker weather and geography and where no talented kid wants to live after college. (At least Acela corridor still has booming job centers.)

Why would anyone go to Wisconsin, Michigan or Indiana over Alabama, UGA or Clemson?

Because then they’d have to go Alabama.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not seeing southern schools bring “in”. My college kids see most southern schools as a bit of a joke. No offense intended, I’m sure for those in the south who embrace the culture are happy to go.

This is just not true. No one thinks Vandy, Duke, UF, UG are jokes.

I can't help but laugh when boosters act like Michigan, GW, Maryland, UVA, and even Cornell and Penn are such vaunted high-powered degrees. Human resources and recruiters are not valuing a Michigan degree over a UGA or Miami degree. They're just not. Nobody freaking cares. No bachelor's degree is a lottery ticket, not even HYPSM.

Don't stress over admission, apply early to a fun school in the sunny south you know you will get into. Enjoy college, make nice lifelong friends, date to marry, marry young, and build a life together.

A Penn degree is powerful lol. It’s literally an ivy with the best business school in the country. Maybe if your kid is an ethnic studies major or something it isn’t a good choice, but Penn is, for all intents and purposes, elite.

A Wharton kid is not the same as a kid with a Penn bachelor's. Nobody in real life is impressed by a random schmuck with a Penn bachelor's. If you put two girls in front of hiring managers with the same degree, same GPA, same resume, one is a cute outgoing sorority girl from SMU and the other is a typical neurotic dweeb from Penn, you think the Penn dweeb has an edge? You're very naive.

Is there a reason you're struggling so much with reality? It's been a few decades since you were rejected from Penn.

[Anonymous]

Have done a few tours and info sessions for SLACs in NE with my kid (I’m from NE myself). The NE students don’t look or sound nearly as happy as those in the south—the weather is cold, the campuses are small, there’s less diversity, the “elite status” has waned due to who they’re admitting. Not to mention how the progressive ideology seems to really affect the vibe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The SEC jealously is extreme. Something about attractive, fun, AND successful kids going south must really trigger you grannies.

I am genuinely glad there is something for everyone, but there is no jealousy. If the NE elite kids wanted the SEC they could have had it and likely with a full-ride. It doesn’t appeal to many, but obviously does for others.

+1, people here are a bit delusional. No Harvard grad is pleading to go to South Carolina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have done a few tours and info sessions for SLACs in NE with my kid (I’m from NE myself). The NE students don’t look or sound nearly as happy as those in the south—the weather is cold, the campuses are small, there’s less diversity, the “elite status” has waned due to who they’re admitting. Not to mention how the progressive ideology seems to really affect the vibe.

Just come out and say it: All the campuses are overrun with insufferable non-white swots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Have done a few tours and info sessions for SLACs in NE with my kid (I’m from NE myself). The NE students don’t look or sound nearly as happy as those in the south—the weather is cold, the campuses are small, there’s less diversity, the “elite status” has waned due to who they’re admitting. Not to mention how the progressive ideology seems to really affect the vibe.

Me when I need to make my racist point about their being too many DEI admits, but also there are too few people of color

[Anonymous]

There's a surprising amount of white supremacists- sorry! "Christian Nationalists"- on DCUM

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Have done a few tours and info sessions for SLACs in NE with my kid (I’m from NE myself). The NE students don’t look or sound nearly as happy as those in the south—the weather is cold, the campuses are small, there’s less diversity, the “elite status” has waned due to who they’re admitting. Not to mention how the progressive ideology seems to really affect the vibe.

Just come out and say it: All the campuses are overrun with insufferable non-white swots.

I don’t think it’s all non-whites she has a problem with, it’s Asian people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone looking to have a great college experience, what do you prefer?

this environment at the ivies

or this

I guess I'm just different, but the bottom looks...really not fun. You're in college, but you choose to spend your time impressing other girls flailing around like a child?
Dartmouth parties sound a lot more fun.