A Generation of American Men Give Up on College: ‘I Just Feel Lost’

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ok, I have 3 daughters and the reason boys fail at American schools has been very clear to me - because curricula are dumbed down and academic competition is suppressed. Classes are taught by overwhelmingly female teachers who know very little and prioritize discipline and busywork.

We are immigrants but moved back to our old country mainly because schools are much better. And boy, do boys thrive here. They are so much better academically (about equal with girls) and more confident. Society needs both men and women, and men and women need each other.

Teachers have been overwhelmingly female in the US for more than a century.

I do agree the curriculum has been dumbed down, but I don't see that as a reason boys in particular are generally less successful or less prepared.

because they can't handle boredom as well as girls can.

pretty sure 100 years ago, school was boring, too, yet more boys went to college than girls. Oh, that's right, back then it wasn't really accepted for girls to be educated, whereas today, it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/college-university-fall-higher-education-men-women-enrollment-admissions-back-to-school-11630948233

Men are abandoning higher education in such numbers that they now trail female college students by record levels.

At the close of the 2020-21 academic year, women made up 59.5% of college students, an all-time high, and men 40.5%, according to enrollment data from the National Student Clearinghouse, a nonprofit research group. U.S. colleges and universities had 1.5 million fewer students compared with five years ago, and men accounted for 71% of the decline.

The WSJ reporter Doug Belkin made numerous references to the boys' GPAs and solid grades – but omitted mention of their SAT or AP Exam scores. And we know why. Because the high school grades these boys received were 100% fake. They didn't do a lick of genuine school work, studying, serious reading, or develop any sort of time management from 9th through 12th, so no surprise at age 18 or 19 y/o they are paralyzed in a university setting. Grade inflation is fraud and high schools across America have become crime scenes as teachers unions and fat cat administrators perpetuate this fraud on tens of millions of unsuspecting families. Parents don't even realize they've been conned until the kids, typically the boys, are age 18 or 19 and "give up" and feel "lost".

In your reality, this impacts boys, but nothing girls?

[Anonymous]

^not girls?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest takeaway from this data is that guys have a better chance of getting laid.

Is that even allowed these days? Won't that get you kicked out (unless you have written consent)?

Tell me your son is a rapist without telling me your son is a rapist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest takeaway from this data is that guys have a better chance of getting laid.

Is that even allowed these days? Won't that get you kicked out (unless you have written consent)?

Tell me your son is a rapist without telling me your son is a rapist.

what???

[Anonymous]

Having seen some of the college catalogues recently I'm not convinced these boys are making the wrong decision.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok, I have 3 daughters and the reason boys fail at American schools has been very clear to me - because curricula are dumbed down and academic competition is suppressed. Classes are taught by overwhelmingly female teachers who know very little and prioritize discipline and busywork.

We are immigrants but moved back to our old country mainly because schools are much better. And boy, do boys thrive here. They are so much better academically (about equal with girls) and more confident. Society needs both men and women, and men and women need each other.

Teachers have been overwhelmingly female in the US for more than a century.

I do agree the curriculum has been dumbed down, but I don't see that as a reason boys in particular are generally less successful or less prepared.

because they can't handle boredom as well as girls can.

pretty sure 100 years ago, school was boring, too, yet more boys went to college than girls. Oh, that's right, back then it wasn't really accepted for girls to be educated, whereas today, it is.

Most American men didn't go to college 100 years ago. In the 1920s college was the preserve of the affluent and some hard working less affluent people. The very large majority of men did not go to college. Even in the 1920s a upper middle class girl was more likely to go to college than a working class boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This would be my son’s dream school...

https://yscacademy.com/soccer/programs/

Not to be a professional athlete but to have a sport incorporated into his day in a consistent fashion.

Private schools already do this.....big emphasis on SPORTS FOR ALL....no matter the talent or lack thereof. Private schools sometimes maintain a varsity, a junior varsity, a frosh team, a jr. frosh, etc......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok, I have 3 daughters and the reason boys fail at American schools has been very clear to me - because curricula are dumbed down and academic competition is suppressed. Classes are taught by overwhelmingly female teachers who know very little and prioritize discipline and busywork.

We are immigrants but moved back to our old country mainly because schools are much better. And boy, do boys thrive here. They are so much better academically (about equal with girls) and more confident. Society needs both men and women, and men and women need each other.

Teachers have been overwhelmingly female in the US for more than a century.

I do agree the curriculum has been dumbed down, but I don't see that as a reason boys in particular are generally less successful or less prepared.

because they can't handle boredom as well as girls can.

pretty sure 100 years ago, school was boring, too, yet more boys went to college than girls. Oh, that's right, back then it wasn't really accepted for girls to be educated, whereas today, it is.

Most American men didn't go to college 100 years ago. In the 1920s college was the preserve of the affluent and some hard working less affluent people. The very large majority of men did not go to college. Even in the 1920s a upper middle class girl was more likely to go to college than a working class boy.

Yet more boys went than girls. Now that girls are allowed to compete for admission on equal terms, we're supposed to feel bad for boys?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"College." What about specific majors? Men are still overrepresented in the hard stuff, girls in the fluff stuff "studies" etc. That's what "college"
has become today. Relax, men do just fine.

+1 seriously. Do they need a cookie and a hug?

-mom of DD and DS who is doing just fine.

Maybe your DS is ok but not every other young man is "doing just fine." Google deaths of despair in Appalachia or just look at what's happening right here in DC.

+1 "My kid is fine," therefore there is not problem? There fore everyone else must be doing something wrong? Yikes.

No, not everyone is doing fine, but it's not like they don't have any opportunities. They just choose not to take them. What happened to personal responsibility?

In any case, 1/3 of working age men aren't in the workforce for various reasons: homeless, working under the table; trading bitcoin; retired early. They made their choices. Yes, it is a choice. You may not like the choices, but you do have choices.

It's a lot easier for white men to get a job than black men, that's for sure.

Because white men are also more likely to have some college.

I find it interesting how people ignore and keep ignoring that one major reason for this disparity is black men. This was talked about for a few pages earlier in the thread. We do have a problem with poorer black men not getting established enough in life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"College." What about specific majors? Men are still overrepresented in the hard stuff, girls in the fluff stuff "studies" etc. That's what "college"
has become today. Relax, men do just fine.

+1 seriously. Do they need a cookie and a hug?

-mom of DD and DS who is doing just fine.

Maybe your DS is ok but not every other young man is "doing just fine." Google deaths of despair in Appalachia or just look at what's happening right here in DC.

+1 "My kid is fine," therefore there is not problem? There fore everyone else must be doing something wrong? Yikes.

No, not everyone is doing fine, but it's not like they don't have any opportunities. They just choose not to take them. What happened to personal responsibility?

In any case, 1/3 of working age men aren't in the workforce for various reasons: homeless, working under the table; trading bitcoin; retired early. They made their choices. Yes, it is a choice. You may not like the choices, but you do have choices.

It's a lot easier for white men to get a job than black men, that's for sure.

Because white men are also more likely to have some college.

I find it interesting how people ignore and keep ignoring that one major reason for this disparity is black men. This was talked about for a few pages earlier in the thread. We do have a problem with poorer black men not getting established enough in life.

Black men literally compose 5% of the U.S. population. And young black men? Probably less than 2% of the U.S. population.

In terms of raw numbers and overall trends about "men," there are not enough black men in existence in the U.S. to move the needle. Black men have ALWAYS gone to college at a lower rate than white or Asian men, so they can't be driving the change. The (negative) change is happening among white men, who are turning away from college and working in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ok, I have 3 daughters and the reason boys fail at American schools has been very clear to me - because curricula are dumbed down and academic competition is suppressed. Classes are taught by overwhelmingly female teachers who know very little and prioritize discipline and busywork.

We are immigrants but moved back to our old country mainly because schools are much better. And boy, do boys thrive here. They are so much better academically (about equal with girls) and more confident. Society needs both men and women, and men and women need each other.

Teachers have been overwhelmingly female in the US for more than a century.

I do agree the curriculum has been dumbed down, but I don't see that as a reason boys in particular are generally less successful or less prepared.

because they can't handle boredom as well as girls can.

pretty sure 100 years ago, school was boring, too, yet more boys went to college than girls. Oh, that's right, back then it wasn't really accepted for girls to be educated, whereas today, it is.

Most American men didn't go to college 100 years ago. In the 1920s college was the preserve of the affluent and some hard working less affluent people. The very large majority of men did not go to college. Even in the 1920s a upper middle class girl was more likely to go to college than a working class boy.

And yet, still, more men went to college than women. Sitting still in K-12 school isn't a new thing. That is my point. In fact, there was even more expectation to be well behaved 50 years ago than today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having seen some of the college catalogues recently I'm not convinced these boys are making the wrong decision.

Riiiiight. But you and hack personalities like Ben Sharpiro and Tucker Carlson won't be volunteering your own sons and daughters to skip college, of course. Tucker's kids all went to elite boarding schools then UVA. But he gets on Fox and rails against higher ed to his 5 million fans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"College." What about specific majors? Men are still overrepresented in the hard stuff, girls in the fluff stuff "studies" etc. That's what "college"
has become today. Relax, men do just fine.

+1 seriously. Do they need a cookie and a hug?

-mom of DD and DS who is doing just fine.

Maybe your DS is ok but not every other young man is "doing just fine." Google deaths of despair in Appalachia or just look at what's happening right here in DC.

+1 "My kid is fine," therefore there is not problem? There fore everyone else must be doing something wrong? Yikes.

No, not everyone is doing fine, but it's not like they don't have any opportunities. They just choose not to take them. What happened to personal responsibility?

In any case, 1/3 of working age men aren't in the workforce for various reasons: homeless, working under the table; trading bitcoin; retired early. They made their choices. Yes, it is a choice. You may not like the choices, but you do have choices.

It's a lot easier for white men to get a job than black men, that's for sure.

Because white men are also more likely to have some college.

I find it interesting how people ignore and keep ignoring that one major reason for this disparity is black men. This was talked about for a few pages earlier in the thread. We do have a problem with poorer black men not getting established enough in life.

young black men are also treated disporportionally unfairly by our judicial system and so end up in jail at higher rates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"College." What about specific majors? Men are still overrepresented in the hard stuff, girls in the fluff stuff "studies" etc. That's what "college"
has become today. Relax, men do just fine.

+1 seriously. Do they need a cookie and a hug?

-mom of DD and DS who is doing just fine.

Maybe your DS is ok but not every other young man is "doing just fine." Google deaths of despair in Appalachia or just look at what's happening right here in DC.

+1 "My kid is fine," therefore there is not problem? There fore everyone else must be doing something wrong? Yikes.

No, not everyone is doing fine, but it's not like they don't have any opportunities. They just choose not to take them. What happened to personal responsibility?

In any case, 1/3 of working age men aren't in the workforce for various reasons: homeless, working under the table; trading bitcoin; retired early. They made their choices. Yes, it is a choice. You may not like the choices, but you do have choices.

It's a lot easier for white men to get a job than black men, that's for sure.

Because white men are also more likely to have some college.

I find it interesting how people ignore and keep ignoring that one major reason for this disparity is black men. This was talked about for a few pages earlier in the thread. We do have a problem with poorer black men not getting established enough in life.

From the article:
"Enrollment rates for poor and working-class white men are lower than those of young Black, Latino and Asian men from the same economic backgrounds, according to an analysis of census data by the Pell Institute for the Journal."