Any way to disinvite a cousin from an annual beach reunion

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I identify with the cousin. I grew up in a home with lots of chaos and trauma. I had “normal” cousins who would host our family for Thanksgiving each year and it was wonderful. We were guests. We did nothing; I had no idea how to cook the way they cooked (we only ever had things like Swanson TV dinners) and I had no idea how to function in their kitchen. It was intimidating, all these rules and expectations that were so different from my own experience. As a kid I was just obliviously happy to be included and invited. Chips and dip or veggies were on a coffee table and I ate them. It never occurred to me to ask if I could help carrying them out; no one taught me that. We didn’t go anywhere else.

My same-age cousins had entirely different childhoods. They had friends over all the time (we never did; my mother was a hoarder) and had all kinds of life experiences that I did not.

When we grew older, the Thanksgiving tradition continued at a cousin’s house rather than my aunt’s. I grew older and had some more life experience so I picked up ideas like, if they are hosting I should buy them a hostess gift of some kind; I would have flowers for a centerpiece delivered to the house. I helped clean up the table after dinner. But offering to cook? It was way beyond my realm.

I had no idea resentment was building up over the years; none at all. My cousins all got married and had kids and I continued to come to Thanksgiving and played with the kids and brought gifts for them. Finally, in my 40’s I had a baby and brought him to the first Thanksgiving. Much of that time I was in a bedroom trying to nurse and pump. Apparently some of the kids were misbehaving and caused some damage. I had no idea (they were other cousins’ kids).

Anyway, the following year my cousin abruptly said they were done hosting extended family Thanksgiving. Totally understandable; it had gotten big with everyone in the next generation having kids. I still sent flowers for a couple of years as just a Thanksgiving hello and said I was thinking of them with love. No hard feelings, I thought. I missed it but understood times change.

But through some other gossipy cousins I later heard that they had YEARS of resentment brewing that my family (parents and me and my siblings) had never brought side dishes or offered to cook the turkey or pay for food or anything. I had NO IDEA. They never once asked us to do that! I would have felt rude just one year saying, “hey, would you like me to bring mashed potatoes and stuffing next year?”...,that would have felt like I was implying I could make them better myself or something. They are far wealthier than us and I see now that I just assumed they were happy to host all of us...it SHOULD have occurred to me over the years to say, “Hosting all of us must be so expensive...is there a way I can chip in?”...but that would have been so awkward and, again, it just never occurred to me. They never gave any sign or hint that they were annoyed; it was all gracious smiles and welcomes.

I don’t blame them for not wanting to shoulder the burden all that time, and I’m ashamed I didn’t understand their expectations. I just thought I was a guest and that that meant that I enjoyed their hospitality and graciously thanked them.

I loved spending time with them and didn’t know they considered me a mooch. I am nearly 50 and still learning all of these unspoken rules I never learned as a kid, that others seem to think everyone knows.

Your cousin clearly loves you and this tradition, OP. Maybe she is depressed, maybe she has no idea you have a problem with a dynamic. Maybe she is needy and passive. Maybe, as you so condescendingly day, she is “limited”. If you “ride or die” by family, why be so scornful and cruel? If she is family...why not be kind and have the courage to kindly be CLEAR with your needs and expectations? Do you honestly think she is just an uncaring user who doesn’t give a sh*t what you think of her and just wants someone to make her sandwiches?????? Maybe she loves your sandwiches. Maybe she has great memories of her older cousin’s tuna sandwiches, feeling loved and cared for. Maybe she has no idea who annoying she is to you and your friend.

If you’re going to b*tch about her behind her back and just roll your eyes around her and be passive aggressive another year, do her the favor of disinviting her. But YOU are the problem then. If you claim you care about family, do the LOVING thing and love her enough to tell her your needs and expectations, clearly.


Ugh. Why didn’t the cousins just say to you, hey could you bring a side or dessert?


I don’t understand how by your 30s or 40s (?!) it didn’t occur to you to ever say “what can I contribute to Thanksgiving dinner?” Asking basic questions like that would have allowed your cousins to signal to you that they would appreciate some help. Sorry, I don’t completely buy this person’s claim of ignorance.


And I don't understand by how your 30s or 40s you lack the basic conversational and social skills to say " Hey cuz we're all bringing something for Thanksgiving next year shall I sign you up for dessert or the mashed potatoes?" So much simpler than talking behind someone's back and disinviting them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP lost me at spreadsheet. Serious control freak vibes. Sounds more like a chore than a relaxing fun summer gathering. I can see why the cousin's husband doesn't take off work. Time to end this. You're all too old for this nostalgic crap anyways, and OP and her husband are too old to still be mooching off mom and dad's place for weeks at a time.


Same she lost me at spreadsheet and being mad that cousin didn't put sunscreen on her kids feed them bananas and poor them wine.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:OP lost me at spreadsheet. Serious control freak vibes. Sounds more like a chore than a relaxing fun summer gathering. I can see why the cousin's husband doesn't take off work. Time to end this. You're all too old for this nostalgic crap anyways, and OP and her husband are too old to still be mooching off mom and dad's place for weeks at a time.


Same she lost me at spreadsheet and being mad that cousin didn't put sunscreen on her kids feed them bananas and pour them wine.


Oh and monitoring how much screen time other adults should get. And the really big one, not expecting her husband to do anything.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:If you eat the food. You have an obligation to also prepare food. Do dishes. Unload diy. Etc.


I don't think anyone is disputing this.


MANY people on the thread are disputing this…


Np, I think most people criticizing OP are not critical of this complaint. It's the Google sheet, expecting people to take care of her kids, and passive aggressive about addressing cousin's laziness.


Somehow in all of this, a spirit of goodwill and just kindness/openness has been stomped out by the op's growing resentment and that is a really awful place to be. Op, you have to find a way to talk about it with her. That's it...you have been too passive and made yourself a martyr/victim. If when talking directly like, "I feel like we need to really share the tasks here...dinner, cleanup, etc" see how she responds. If it is not enough, then you stop doing the vaca together. In other words, you face who she is and decide accordingly if you can deal or want to deal with her. Then you act on that. She may lack understanding of basic lifeskills and how a group functions and shares. You lack basic, open communication skills and maturity too because you've martyred yourself. You both have stuff to work on. Once kids come along, the dynamics change. Maybe you are both stuck in old patterns, old behaviors. Just be open and kind, curious if you can. If you can't you need a break from her.
Anonymous
Yes, you tackle it head on directly. With as much kindness you can muster.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I totally agree. I posted earlier I would never sunscreen anyone else’s child. Even daycare asks us to sunscreen our kids before sending them in, touching other people’s kids is just a big no. I don’t want anyone but my mom putting sunscreen on my kids.

I also make it plain that we are a “help yourself” house. You are free to eat or drink anything but get it yourself. Same for kids. I might ask if anyone wants anything while I am up, but then again maybe not. Especially with lifelong friends.

I am not going to offer your kids stuff, but they are welcome to grab a banana or a Z bar or whatever. I am not in charge of your food rules. Asking your kids to pee? Hell to the no. That is a job for a parent.

The dinner thing needed to be conveyed clearly, bluntly, the day it occurred. “What is the dinner plan? It is your day.”


be careful, these kids might start grabbing the wrong drinks from the refrigerator … which could quickly lead them to alcoholism. How sad it would be for OP if she lost her cousin and her kids because of alcohol. You need to grow up and think before you sit and write this nonsense BS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I identify with the cousin. I grew up in a home with lots of chaos and trauma. I had “normal” cousins who would host our family for Thanksgiving each year and it was wonderful. We were guests. We did nothing; I had no idea how to cook the way they cooked (we only ever had things like Swanson TV dinners) and I had no idea how to function in their kitchen. It was intimidating, all these rules and expectations that were so different from my own experience. As a kid I was just obliviously happy to be included and invited. Chips and dip or veggies were on a coffee table and I ate them. It never occurred to me to ask if I could help carrying them out; no one taught me that. We didn’t go anywhere else.

My same-age cousins had entirely different childhoods. They had friends over all the time (we never did; my mother was a hoarder) and had all kinds of life experiences that I did not.

When we grew older, the Thanksgiving tradition continued at a cousin’s house rather than my aunt’s. I grew older and had some more life experience so I picked up ideas like, if they are hosting I should buy them a hostess gift of some kind; I would have flowers for a centerpiece delivered to the house. I helped clean up the table after dinner. But offering to cook? It was way beyond my realm.

I had no idea resentment was building up over the years; none at all. My cousins all got married and had kids and I continued to come to Thanksgiving and played with the kids and brought gifts for them. Finally, in my 40’s I had a baby and brought him to the first Thanksgiving. Much of that time I was in a bedroom trying to nurse and pump. Apparently some of the kids were misbehaving and caused some damage. I had no idea (they were other cousins’ kids).

Anyway, the following year my cousin abruptly said they were done hosting extended family Thanksgiving. Totally understandable; it had gotten big with everyone in the next generation having kids. I still sent flowers for a couple of years as just a Thanksgiving hello and said I was thinking of them with love. No hard feelings, I thought. I missed it but understood times change.

But through some other gossipy cousins I later heard that they had YEARS of resentment brewing that my family (parents and me and my siblings) had never brought side dishes or offered to cook the turkey or pay for food or anything. I had NO IDEA. They never once asked us to do that! I would have felt rude just one year saying, “hey, would you like me to bring mashed potatoes and stuffing next year?”...,that would have felt like I was implying I could make them better myself or something. They are far wealthier than us and I see now that I just assumed they were happy to host all of us...it SHOULD have occurred to me over the years to say, “Hosting all of us must be so expensive...is there a way I can chip in?”...but that would have been so awkward and, again, it just never occurred to me. They never gave any sign or hint that they were annoyed; it was all gracious smiles and welcomes.

I don’t blame them for not wanting to shoulder the burden all that time, and I’m ashamed I didn’t understand their expectations. I just thought I was a guest and that that meant that I enjoyed their hospitality and graciously thanked them.

I loved spending time with them and didn’t know they considered me a mooch. I am nearly 50 and still learning all of these unspoken rules I never learned as a kid, that others seem to think everyone knows.

Your cousin clearly loves you and this tradition, OP. Maybe she is depressed, maybe she has no idea you have a problem with a dynamic. Maybe she is needy and passive. Maybe, as you so condescendingly day, she is “limited”. If you “ride or die” by family, why be so scornful and cruel? If she is family...why not be kind and have the courage to kindly be CLEAR with your needs and expectations? Do you honestly think she is just an uncaring user who doesn’t give a sh*t what you think of her and just wants someone to make her sandwiches?????? Maybe she loves your sandwiches. Maybe she has great memories of her older cousin’s tuna sandwiches, feeling loved and cared for. Maybe she has no idea who annoying she is to you and your friend.

If you’re going to b*tch about her behind her back and just roll your eyes around her and be passive aggressive another year, do her the favor of disinviting her. But YOU are the problem then. If you claim you care about family, do the LOVING thing and love her enough to tell her your needs and expectations, clearly.


Ugh. Why didn’t the cousins just say to you, hey could you bring a side or dessert?


I don’t understand how by your 30s or 40s (?!) it didn’t occur to you to ever say “what can I contribute to Thanksgiving dinner?” Asking basic questions like that would have allowed your cousins to signal to you that they would appreciate some help. Sorry, I don’t completely buy this person’s claim of ignorance.


And I don't understand by how your 30s or 40s you lack the basic conversational and social skills to say " Hey cuz we're all bringing something for Thanksgiving next year shall I sign you up for dessert or the mashed potatoes?" So much simpler than talking behind someone's back and disinviting them.


Agreed. And PP did say she was coming from out of town so would bring beverages and deserts as she didn’t have access to a kitchen to cook. This actually sounds fine to me. If cousins wanted her to bring something different they needed to ask.
Anonymous
You're much too old for this. Once everyone is married with kids these traditions end and also, you should feel like a moocher using your parents' beach house for this every summer.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You're much too old for this. Once everyone is married with kids these traditions end and also, you should feel like a moocher using your parents' beach house for this every summer.

Don’t be jealous that you don’t have a beach house to go to.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You're much too old for this. Once everyone is married with kids these traditions end and also, you should feel like a moocher using your parents' beach house for this every summer.


Many people buy second homes with the hopes and expectations that their children and grandchildren will use it frequently into their adult lives. Not mooching.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:be careful, these kids might start grabbing the wrong drinks from the refrigerator … which could quickly lead them to alcoholism. How sad it would be for OP if she lost her cousin and her kids because of alcohol. You need to grow up and think before you sit and write this nonsense BS.


yeppers, I agree.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I totally agree. I posted earlier I would never sunscreen anyone else’s child. Even daycare asks us to sunscreen our kids before sending them in, touching other people’s kids is just a big no. I don’t want anyone but my mom putting sunscreen on my kids.

I also make it plain that we are a “help yourself” house. You are free to eat or drink anything but get it yourself. Same for kids. I might ask if anyone wants anything while I am up, but then again maybe not. Especially with lifelong friends.

I am not going to offer your kids stuff, but they are welcome to grab a banana or a Z bar or whatever. I am not in charge of your food rules. Asking your kids to pee? Hell to the no. That is a job for a parent.

The dinner thing needed to be conveyed clearly, bluntly, the day it occurred. “What is the dinner plan? It is your day.”


be careful, these kids might start grabbing the wrong drinks from the refrigerator … which could quickly lead them to alcoholism. How sad it would be for OP if she lost her cousin and her kids because of alcohol. You need to grow up and think before you sit and write this nonsense BS.



This wins the idiot poster award for the day.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you eat the food. You have an obligation to also prepare food. Do dishes. Unload diy. Etc.


I don't think anyone is disputing this.


MANY people on the thread are disputing this…


Np, I think most people criticizing OP are not critical of this complaint. It's the Google sheet, expecting people to take care of her kids, and passive aggressive about addressing cousin's laziness.


Somehow in all of this, a spirit of goodwill and just kindness/openness has been stomped out by the op's growing resentment and that is a really awful place to be. Op, you have to find a way to talk about it with her. That's it...you have been too passive and made yourself a martyr/victim. If when talking directly like, "I feel like we need to really share the tasks here...dinner, cleanup, etc" see how she responds. If it is not enough, then you stop doing the vaca together. In other words, you face who she is and decide accordingly if you can deal or want to deal with her. Then you act on that. She may lack understanding of basic lifeskills and how a group functions and shares. You lack basic, open communication skills and maturity too because you've martyred yourself. You both have stuff to work on. Once kids come along, the dynamics change. Maybe you are both stuck in old patterns, old behaviors. Just be open and kind, curious if you can. If you can't you need a break from her.


+1
Great post. Haven’t seen you back in a while, OP. Try to tap into curiosity about your cousin and dial down the derision. She loves you and wants to spend time with you. Try compassion and curiosity about her, and challenge yourself to communicate more directly. Even what you wrote about what you asked her on her dinner day was not direct. You own the gap between your expectations and her understanding.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You're much too old for this. Once everyone is married with kids these traditions end and also, you should feel like a moocher using your parents' beach house for this every summer.

Don’t be jealous that you don’t have a beach house to go to.


Grew up spending summers in a beach house... when my husband and I both got big promotions we bought our own. You know, like adults. But keep rationalizing being in your 40s and being a loser in your parents' spare bedroom. I know, I know, you totally bring groceries and a few bottles when you visit. And launder the bed sheets before you leave.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You're much too old for this. Once everyone is married with kids these traditions end and also, you should feel like a moocher using your parents' beach house for this every summer.

Don’t be jealous that you don’t have a beach house to go to.


Grew up spending summers in a beach house... when my husband and I both got big promotions we bought our own. You know, like adults. But keep rationalizing being in your 40s and being a loser in your parents' spare bedroom. I know, I know, you totally bring groceries and a few bottles when you visit. And launder the bed sheets before you leave.

Man, why are people so judgmental about using a family beach house? I’m have no skin in this game; my family doesn’t own any vacation homes and neither do I. It sounds like a nice tradition to have a getaway that the family can access.
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