Rebel forces advancing in Syria …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Due to Israel and Turkey seizing the moment, whatever entity takes power in Syria will not have access to chemical weapons, arms depots, artillery systems, or even a navy. Israel sunk the Syrian navy today. It's a dangerous neighborhood. I don't think it's unreasonable for Syria's neighbors to quickly go in and degrade Syria's capacity to engage in offensive operations or to continue aiding Iran or to supply Hezbollah. As the saying goes, never let a crisis go to waste. Compared to pre-10/7, Israel's security situation in particular is now vastly better. Hamas and Hezbollah are effectively destroyed. Iran is considerably weakened. And Syria is no longer a threat of any kind. It's been a good year for Israel.

I wonder what makes people this dumb and delusional.

Better how? Israel just made Hamas a regional thing now with these actions. The entire neighborhood will be against them. Assad was by Israel/Bibi's own admission once a decade long predictable and reliable friend and partner to them and they want Jihadi mercenaries who Muslims are even afraid of to be their neighbor. Safe how and where?

NY Times even reports Israel is anxious about the Assad ouster, and knows its a big risk that may be a mistake.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/world/middleeast/israel-assad-syria.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's crazy how America is supporting and celebrating an anti American, Al Qaeda spin off group to become the government in Syria.

We go against our own interests to serve Israel's.

Not really. It's in our interest to see the Islamic Republic of Iran and Russia diminished in the region.

Which they are.

At the present moment - and this could change very quickly - the new leadership in Syria seems fairly sane. And if the baddies like the hardcore Islamic fanatics come to power, they won't have the weapons - from chemical weapons to artillery - to be a nuisance to anyone else - thanks to Israel and Turkey.

It's all good at the moment for the US.

Laws are for enemies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's crazy how America is supporting and celebrating an anti American, Al Qaeda spin off group to become the government in Syria.

We go against our own interests to serve Israel's.

Not really. It's in our interest to see the Islamic Republic of Iran and Russia diminished in the region.

Which they are.

At the present moment - and this could change very quickly - the new leadership in Syria seems fairly sane. And if the baddies like the hardcore Islamic fanatics come to power, they won't have the weapons - from chemical weapons to artillery - to be a nuisance to anyone else - thanks to Israel and Turkey.

It's all good at the moment for the US.

And if Israel wants to help itself to a chunk of Syrian land, the country won't have air defenses to resist brave IDF pilots, right?

[Anonymous]

Israel does not become the safest country in the world for Jews by making more wars and enemies next door. They are actually strengthening the Palestinian side. Assad didnt even like Palestinians that much. Syria and Lebanon have a apathy/contentious relationship with Palestinians but when Israel annexes their land despite not even having enough citizens to fill up these places, they will certainly lose the apathy toward the Israel Palestine situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel does not become the safest country in the world for Jews by making more wars and enemies next door. They are actually strengthening the Palestinian side. Assad didnt even like Palestinians that much. Syria and Lebanon have a apathy/contentious relationship with Palestinians but when Israel annexes their land despite not even having enough citizens to fill up these places, they will certainly lose the apathy toward the Israel Palestine situation.

It's beyond ironic at this time to refer to Israel as the safest country for Jews. I mean, anywhere but there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel does not become the safest country in the world for Jews by making more wars and enemies next door. They are actually strengthening the Palestinian side. Assad didnt even like Palestinians that much. Syria and Lebanon have a apathy/contentious relationship with Palestinians but when Israel annexes their land despite not even having enough citizens to fill up these places, they will certainly lose the apathy toward the Israel Palestine situation.

Most Arab countries don’t like Palestinians at the governmental level, but they use the issue as a tool sometimes. There is sympathy at the street level, but that’s about it. Lebanon is a bit different, you’ll find some in the Christian community who blame Palestinians for their problems and so really despise them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Israel does not become the safest country in the world for Jews by making more wars and enemies next door. They are actually strengthening the Palestinian side. Assad didnt even like Palestinians that much. Syria and Lebanon have a apathy/contentious relationship with Palestinians but when Israel annexes their land despite not even having enough citizens to fill up these places, they will certainly lose the apathy toward the Israel Palestine situation.

We shall see what happens with this. Right now, it's the Assad government abandoning some high ground positions near the Golan Heights. Israel, not unreasonably in a chaotic time, took care of some high ground, tactical positioning before any other militia could take it. Seems sensible.

But if Syria gets their act together, and the Israelis are still there when Syria is all good, then it becomes a problem.

There is no strengthening the Palestinian situation regardless of anything, They made a dumbass decision siding with Iran and invading Israel and committing all those atrocities. The fall of Assad is yet another repercussion of 10/7. Palestinians have no seat at any table anymore in the Middle East. It's stupid decision after stupid decision - from 1947 onwards. The death of Sinwar, the destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah, and the fall of Assad doesn't fix it. Palestinians have no leverage over anything after their breathtakingly stupid decisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's crazy how America is supporting and celebrating an anti American, Al Qaeda spin off group to become the government in Syria.

We go against our own interests to serve Israel's.

Not really. It's in our interest to see the Islamic Republic of Iran and Russia diminished in the region.

Which they are.

At the present moment - and this could change very quickly - the new leadership in Syria seems fairly sane. And if the baddies like the hardcore Islamic fanatics come to power, they won't have the weapons - from chemical weapons to artillery - to be a nuisance to anyone else - thanks to Israel and Turkey.

It's all good at the moment for the US.

Its really not good for us at all if history is any indication. We "diminished" Russia in Afghanistan and got 9/11, forever wars and Patriot Act as a reward. We got rid of Sadam and Qaddafi and set the whole region on fire, many dead Americans, and swamped our European allies with destabilizing migration. Not really sure what we got in exchange for all that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel does not become the safest country in the world for Jews by making more wars and enemies next door. They are actually strengthening the Palestinian side. Assad didnt even like Palestinians that much. Syria and Lebanon have a apathy/contentious relationship with Palestinians but when Israel annexes their land despite not even having enough citizens to fill up these places, they will certainly lose the apathy toward the Israel Palestine situation.

We shall see what happens with this. Right now, it's the Assad government abandoning some high ground positions near the Golan Heights. Israel, not unreasonably in a chaotic time, took care of some high ground, tactical positioning before any other militia could take it. Seems sensible.

But if Syria gets their act together, and the Israelis are still there when Syria is all good, then it becomes a problem.

There is no strengthening the Palestinian situation regardless of anything, They made a dumbass decision siding with Iran and invading Israel and committing all those atrocities. The fall of Assad is yet another repercussion of 10/7. Palestinians have no seat at any table anymore in the Middle East. It's stupid decision after stupid decision - from 1947 onwards. The death of Sinwar, the destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah, and the fall of Assad doesn't fix it. Palestinians have no leverage over anything after their breathtakingly stupid decisions.

Is it fair to blame Palestinians for what Hamas did ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's crazy how America is supporting and celebrating an anti American, Al Qaeda spin off group to become the government in Syria.

We go against our own interests to serve Israel's.

Not really. It's in our interest to see the Islamic Republic of Iran and Russia diminished in the region.

Which they are.

At the present moment - and this could change very quickly - the new leadership in Syria seems fairly sane. And if the baddies like the hardcore Islamic fanatics come to power, they won't have the weapons - from chemical weapons to artillery - to be a nuisance to anyone else - thanks to Israel and Turkey.

It's all good at the moment for the US.

Its really not good for us at all if history is any indication. We "diminished" Russia in Afghanistan and got 9/11, forever wars and Patriot Act as a reward. We got rid of Sadam and Qaddafi and set the whole region on fire, many dead Americans, and swamped our European allies with destabilizing migration. Not really sure what we got in exchange for all that.

“We” got 9/11 because Israel and “our” support for genocide of the Palestinians.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel does not become the safest country in the world for Jews by making more wars and enemies next door. They are actually strengthening the Palestinian side. Assad didnt even like Palestinians that much. Syria and Lebanon have a apathy/contentious relationship with Palestinians but when Israel annexes their land despite not even having enough citizens to fill up these places, they will certainly lose the apathy toward the Israel Palestine situation.

We shall see what happens with this. Right now, it's the Assad government abandoning some high ground positions near the Golan Heights. Israel, not unreasonably in a chaotic time, took care of some high ground, tactical positioning before any other militia could take it. Seems sensible.

But if Syria gets their act together, and the Israelis are still there when Syria is all good, then it becomes a problem.

There is no strengthening the Palestinian situation regardless of anything, They made a dumbass decision siding with Iran and invading Israel and committing all those atrocities. The fall of Assad is yet another repercussion of 10/7. Palestinians have no seat at any table anymore in the Middle East. It's stupid decision after stupid decision - from 1947 onwards. The death of Sinwar, the destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah, and the fall of Assad doesn't fix it. Palestinians have no leverage over anything after their breathtakingly stupid decisions.

OMG. Israel is saving Syria by invading it and bombing civilians. Israel has made Syria an enemy like they do to everyone I the Middle East. Hamas and Hezbollah created by Israel.

I am done with Israel. It is the same as Nazi Germany. It will be a great day in the progress of the humanity when it is over run, it leadership is brought in chains to the Hague for trial and punishment and the prisons/dungeons of Israel are thrown open. Free Palestine from the oppressors of humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:This appears to be good news, people are celebrating everywhere and EU countries have stopped processing Syrian asylum requests and are planning return charter flights .
Israel is bombing the country and grabbing more land and has put some small villages under house arrest.
When I see what their official explanation is,
I don’t believe what I hear.
With Israel it is more helpful to look at what their long term goals are.
I think this is dangerous move by them, the people are tired of war and want to get out of military service and on with their lives.
Bibi needs trouble and war.

Israel is reinforcing its borders a bombing Assad’s weapons stores. They’re doing cleanup work. or do you think all of Assad’s chemical weapons should be up for grabs?

What did the Syrian passport and vital records office do to Israel?

Why does Israel want Syria to not have air defense or navy?

Simple. Israel thinks it is entitled to dominate the region. The US establishment blindly supports Israel's rights to take what it wants because "the Jewish state", the "right to exist", the "right to defend itself" or whatever other unique, super special rights they invented that apply to Israel and to Israel alone.

DP
If what you said is correct about the passport office, i can imagine a lot of Mossad members becoming syrian citizen.

Interesting that the vital records office was bombed. That cannot be an accident.
Makes me think that Israel is afraid of some secrets coming to light.

I still don’t understand. Israel is attacking because there is no more Assad and because they don’t who the next power broker will be.
Therefore this is because of something that has not happened but could turn into a threat?

It’s preemptive self defense - a special thing available to Israel only .

+1.

When Russia does this, it's violating the sovereignty of another country and it's an outrage. When Israel does this, it's creating a buffer zone and defending itself which Israel has the right to do. This is why no one takes the American / Zionist government seriously anymore.

Okay Vlad.

They’re actually right on the money, whether a Vlad or not. Only morons at this point are not appalled by our blatant hypocrisy in global affairs.

Only naïfs expect nations to conduct foreign policy with any goal other than self interest.

Once you learn that, you’ll be far better positioned to understand global affairs.

Whatever. I don’t accept your thesis on this subject, or on any subject. Israel’s interests and ours don’t align, no matter how much you try to argue otherwise.

Really?

Is it in our interest for Iran to be weakened?

Is it in our interest to prevent radical Islamist non-state actors from possessing chemical weapons and degrading their projection capabilities?

(Hint: the answer is “yes”)

Right…you were all like yay!! Free Syria!! Down with Bashar! Great news!!!

But when it’s time to enable the new government, you’re all like no, you cannot have air defense. Or a navy. Or passports and vital records. Stay poor and dysfunctional, we like you that way. Live like slaves.

You need chemical weapons and advanced missiles to not live like slaves?

I care about US interests. Probably best for us for Syrian military capabilities to be degraded, at least until we learn more about intentions of the new gov’t.

So bombing chemical weapon stockpiles in civilian area will make Syria friendly to Israel? How many people has Israel killed in Syria? This is Syria’s Oct 7. Syria must invade Israel and destroy its ability to make war. This is why Israel is hated through out the world.

Yeah that sounds like a fab idea

Anyone who can’t admit Israel did the world a huge favor by destroying Syrian military capacity is thoroughly dishonest.

Hmmmm....what are the possible reasons Israel doesn't want Syria to have air defense?

Decisions, decisions.

Heyyyyy "The Splintering of Syria Ushers New Hope for the Region" !! Right on cue:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-assads-fall-the-possible-splintering-of-syria-buoys-hopes-for-a-new-middle-east/

Did you actually read the article? Was your vision that Iran would control Syria?

It is not my business to have a vision on who would control Syria, and it isn't Israel's either.

They are next door neighbors with a tumultuous history, to put it mildly. It's more their business than yours.

And that may be a good enough case for bolstering internal Israeli military defenses or border fortifications. Preemptively attacking a neighboring country to make it effectively demilitarize belies more than defensive intent - it's the naked grab for military hegemony. Considering the history of Israeli aggression against Syrian land and targets, it's Israel that has been a consistent threat to its neighbors. Not the other way round.

nobody in their right mind thinks Israel did the wrong thing to destroy the Russian arms left behind in Syria. Come ON. So you think the chemical weapons should have just sat there to wait for ISIS to come get?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's crazy how America is supporting and celebrating an anti American, Al Qaeda spin off group to become the government in Syria.

We go against our own interests to serve Israel's.

True, the US has never exerted its own interests in the Middle East 🤡 l

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's crazy how America is supporting and celebrating an anti American, Al Qaeda spin off group to become the government in Syria.

We go against our own interests to serve Israel's.

Not really. It's in our interest to see the Islamic Republic of Iran and Russia diminished in the region.

Which they are.

At the present moment - and this could change very quickly - the new leadership in Syria seems fairly sane. And if the baddies like the hardcore Islamic fanatics come to power, they won't have the weapons - from chemical weapons to artillery - to be a nuisance to anyone else - thanks to Israel and Turkey.

It's all good at the moment for the US.

Laws are for enemies.

Honestly, at this point the frankly antisemitic focus of international law and institutions has delegitimized it and hampered its ability to be persuasive to Israel at all (and of course persuasion is the only force available to international laws). The absurd condemnation of Israel protecting its border by the UN, and meanwhile Turkey is literally taking Aleppo to the north, is just the latest example. If you want Israel to listen to you, you need to drop the antisemitism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Israel does not become the safest country in the world for Jews by making more wars and enemies next door. They are actually strengthening the Palestinian side. Assad didnt even like Palestinians that much. Syria and Lebanon have a apathy/contentious relationship with Palestinians but when Israel annexes their land despite not even having enough citizens to fill up these places, they will certainly lose the apathy toward the Israel Palestine situation.

We shall see what happens with this. Right now, it's the Assad government abandoning some high ground positions near the Golan Heights. Israel, not unreasonably in a chaotic time, took care of some high ground, tactical positioning before any other militia could take it. Seems sensible.

But if Syria gets their act together, and the Israelis are still there when Syria is all good, then it becomes a problem.

There is no strengthening the Palestinian situation regardless of anything, They made a dumbass decision siding with Iran and invading Israel and committing all those atrocities. The fall of Assad is yet another repercussion of 10/7. Palestinians have no seat at any table anymore in the Middle East. It's stupid decision after stupid decision - from 1947 onwards. The death of Sinwar, the destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah, and the fall of Assad doesn't fix it. Palestinians have no leverage over anything after their breathtakingly stupid decisions.

As well, the UN deciding to cement their perpetual refugee status.