US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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So, I'm new to the United States. What is the discrimination against Asians? Is it that they're proportionately more qualified than others so less get in? And is it a win for whites because they are the majority so they presumably get in less when other races get into these schools? For white people -- could it just be that everyone just can't get into the school b/c of the limited amount of seats, no matter what? As for Asians, the same thing? What happens when Harvard is, like, 50% Asian? Will there be an issue then?

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.


It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.


Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.


Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.





Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.


First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.



Why? There are many accounts of UMC Blacks being excessively stopped by cops, being treated suspiciously when they shop, when they are walking around in their UMC neighborhood.


Wow such a big deal so that they have to be admitted to Harvard??


If they are otherwise a compelling applicant, it could be a slight competitive edge over a kid who blithely never has to think about these things. That's the point.


I'm acutaully perfectly fine that if it was actually used as sort of like a a tie breaker.

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Anonymous wrote:Now let’s eliminate preferences for Athletics, Legacy, Development, Faculty and Staff Children, Children of prominent people. If any of these is used in admissions, it will be in violation of the constitution in terms of equal treatment for all. If Harvard will want to discriminate applicants based on whether or not they fall in one or more of these categories, then stop allocating State and Federal funding for research to Harvard.


Can anyone explain why these are equated to AA? I just don't understand any relationship between these metrics and AA. Certainly with sports...if you are going to field a football team then you need students who can play football, no?

Regarding legacy, I could actually see legacy becoming more important. If Harvard has spent the last 40 years building racially-diverse classes, then they have racially-diverse legacies. Nothing stops Harvard from confirming an alum is from a specific minority group, yet doing nothing to investigate the applicant.

It just seems like a huge logical jump to put these other groups in the same category.
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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one here seeing the benefit of having more URM medical doctors in our society? For years, mostly white, male doctors have learned how diseases affect white males. More diverse groups of physicians, researchers have discovered how patients of color are affected by certain ailments. I am not saying that white male doctors have not done research on the health of URMs. The same probably happens in other areas of research. I am not an expert on any of this, just commenting on a few articles I have read throughout the years.


yes, but most URM medical doctors do not want to serve the URM communities. They don't take the jobs taking care of the poor.
I work at a federally qualified health center in DC and most of our doctors and NPs are white. We can't get black doctors to take care of poor black people.
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What will happen with race-based achievement awards, like the PSAT-based College Board Recognition Program? Will the program end, or will the award be more sought-after, as a simple way to indicate race in the award section of the application without having to write an essay?
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Anonymous wrote:You only have to talk to a liberal for about five minutes before they inevitably make a vehemently racist anti-asian statement. But they are too stupid to realize if you replaced "asian" with "black" they would be calling for the person's head on a platter. Stupid liberals lol


Are you Asian? As a principled conservative, I have to agree with you! And I would also like to thank you for getting my poor white son into Harvard. Thanks to Uncle Clarence, he's taking your son's place!
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Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO



AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO



Everyone will be writing about this: black, white, Asian.

I'm glad I don't have an applicant for a few years so I can see how this works out.

In 23-24 I bet 95% of applicants of any color write about racial hardship.


Yeah . I can't wait to see what white people write about racial hardship.


The college has no way of knowing that they are white. They can write whatever they want and become whomever they want in their essays.


And what will they do when the rest of their application (name, neighborhood, school, ECs, etc) directly contradict their essays? Denied, based on fraud.


Well today, if a man feels like woman, they are woman.
Anything wrong with feeling like a Black today? I like rap music and basketball.
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Anonymous wrote:Asian, White and Black students enter a baking competition. Black students have their hands tied behind their back. Asian and White bake beautiful cakes. They place first and second. Although there is an award for third place, the Black student does not get it because they did not finish their cake. Everyone says, well it's the Black person's fault for not producing a great cake. Yet, it's incredible that they were able to produce any edible cake at all. They say "Look, the goal was clear! Just bake a cake. Easy! We did it and won!"

Everyone who is celebrating this decision is proud of their status and privilege. Many Black students enter college and excel - despite the fact that they have had every barrier possible thrown their way. Affirmative Action was a system for giving credit to people who have been and continue to be historically marginalized.

Now, fewer deserving Black students will be allowed access because the criteria they are being judged on is not attainable to many of them.

It's a sad, sad day!


What made Blacks have more barrier than Asians?????????????????


If you have to ask that question, then you really need some American history lessons. Go read some books on Black history. Look at how the jail system was created to house Black males. Look at the 0% proficiency in math and science in Baltimore schools. Look at my parents and everyone in their generation who were denied housing, jobs, credit and in many cases dignity. Look at the Lynch papers - look at the people in charge through the years to followed very specific requirements to ensure Black people did not advance. And then look at Black immigrants from anywhere in the World and how they come here and excel. Being born Black in American is more than a barrier. The Black person has to shift their entire life trajectory to overcome systems put in place to keep them down. Asians and immigrants have created their own systems to ensure they can "beat the system" in place. These same systems are not possible for many in the Black community who are struggling with systems that keep them down. You really need to read more about history.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.


It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.


Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.


Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.





Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.


First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.



Sadly, this is not true. My tween recognized racism while we're were at our vacation home which is in a MAGA area. I was a part of a lawsuit based on unfair financial discrimination only because I am Black. My brother and husband have been pulled over and harassed for driving expensive vehicles. We have plenty of experiences to share and write about and our essay coaches will make sure they are well written.
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oh come on. Most of us live in the DMV where the blacks and latinos getting Ivy spots are the children of doctors, law partners and diplomats.
At my kids' Big3 school they are typically the kids of 2 physician families from Chevy Chase. The poor black classmates from PG are not getting the Ivy spots--trust me.
It's the same at the top Montgomery Co high schools.
These kids have lived a more privileged life than the vast majority of white and Asian kids I know.

I'm 150% for giving and admissions boost for first-gen and/or lower economic status kids but he URM thing is a joke in the DMV.


Yeah, but that UMC Black kid might still get followed in a store, get stopped more often by police, and have issues flagging down a cab.
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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one here seeing the benefit of having more URM medical doctors in our society? For years, mostly white, male doctors have learned how diseases affect white males. More diverse groups of physicians, researchers have discovered how patients of color are affected by certain ailments. I am not saying that white male doctors have not done research on the health of URMs. The same probably happens in other areas of research. I am not an expert on any of this, just commenting on a few articles I have read throughout the years.


yes, but most URM medical doctors do not want to serve the URM communities. They don't take the jobs taking care of the poor.
I work at a federally qualified health center in DC and most of our doctors and NPs are white. We can't get black doctors to take care of poor black people.

Can’t we just have the smartest and most hardworking people become physicians and health care providers? I don’t care what their background is.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Now let’s eliminate preferences for Athletics, Legacy, Development, Faculty and Staff Children, Children of prominent people. If any of these is used in admissions, it will be in violation of the constitution in terms of equal treatment for all. If Harvard will want to discriminate applicants based on whether or not they fall in one or more of these categories, then stop allocating State and Federal funding for research to Harvard.


I don’t think you understand the constitutional arguments here. The constitution prohibits discrimination based on race, it doesn’t prohibit discrimination based on wealth, athletic ability, connections, etc . . .

I don’t agree with the decision but it doesn’t help the cause to be making nonsensical arguments.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO



AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO



Everyone will be writing about this: black, white, Asian.

I'm glad I don't have an applicant for a few years so I can see how this works out.

In 23-24 I bet 95% of applicants of any color write about racial hardship.


Yeah . I can't wait to see what white people write about racial hardship.


The college has no way of knowing that they are white. They can write whatever they want and become whomever they want in their essays.


And what will they do when the rest of their application (name, neighborhood, school, ECs, etc) directly contradict their essays? Denied, based on fraud.


Well today, if a man feels like woman, they are woman.
Anything wrong with feeling like a Black today? I like rap music and basketball.


You actaully get a bonus points for being a LGBTQ
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO



AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO



Everyone will be writing about this: black, white, Asian.

I'm glad I don't have an applicant for a few years so I can see how this works out.

In 23-24 I bet 95% of applicants of any color write about racial hardship.


Yeah . I can't wait to see what white people write about racial hardship.


The college has no way of knowing that they are white. They can write whatever they want and become whomever they want in their essays.


And what will they do when the rest of their application (name, neighborhood, school, ECs, etc) directly contradict their essays? Denied, based on fraud.


Well today, if a man feels like woman, they are woman.
Anything wrong with feeling like a Black today? I like rap music and basketball.


PLEASE have your child write that in their college essays (“I love rap music and basketball”) and call themselves Black—please! Then let us know the outcome.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Asian, White and Black students enter a baking competition. Black students have their hands tied behind their back. Asian and White bake beautiful cakes. They place first and second. Although there is an award for third place, the Black student does not get it because they did not finish their cake. Everyone says, well it's the Black person's fault for not producing a great cake. Yet, it's incredible that they were able to produce any edible cake at all. They say "Look, the goal was clear! Just bake a cake. Easy! We did it and won!"

Everyone who is celebrating this decision is proud of their status and privilege. Many Black students enter college and excel - despite the fact that they have had every barrier possible thrown their way. Affirmative Action was a system for giving credit to people who have been and continue to be historically marginalized.

Now, fewer deserving Black students will be allowed access because the criteria they are being judged on is not attainable to many of them.

It's a sad, sad day!

Privilege? I came to this country when my parents made less than $1000 a month. Most of my fellows had to think about how to make their ends meet by washing dishes in a restaurant while doing graduate work (which is risky for deportation because technically a students visa doesn’t allow one to work). To us, being eligible to take a student loan with US citizenship is a privilege, being lawful to work as a student is a privilege.
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