US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

[Anonymous]

Now let’s eliminate preferences for Athletics, Legacy, Development, Faculty and Staff Children, Children of prominent people. If any of these is used in admissions, it will be in violation of the constitution in terms of equal treatment for all. If Harvard will want to discriminate applicants based on whether or not they fall in one or more of these categories, then stop allocating State and Federal funding for research to Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian, White and Black students enter a baking competition. Black students have their hands tied behind their back. Asian and White bake beautiful cakes. They place first and second. Although there is an award for third place, the Black student does not get it because they did not finish their cake. Everyone says, well it's the Black person's fault for not producing a great cake. Yet, it's incredible that they were able to produce any edible cake at all. They say "Look, the goal was clear! Just bake a cake. Easy! We did it and won!"

Everyone who is celebrating this decision is proud of their status and privilege. Many Black students enter college and excel - despite the fact that they have had every barrier possible thrown their way. Affirmative Action was a system for giving credit to people who have been and continue to be historically marginalized.

Now, fewer deserving Black students will be allowed access because the criteria they are being judged on is not attainable to many of them.

It's a sad, sad day!

What made Blacks have more barrier than Asians?????????????????

[Anonymous]

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- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

You are a Black person who has gotten respect doing all of these thing? So you were the President? Nice corresponding with you Mr. Obama.

Haha. The post said “President” not “President of the United States”

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Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.

Why? There are many accounts of UMC Blacks being excessively stopped by cops, being treated suspiciously when they shop, when they are walking around in their UMC neighborhood.

Wow such a big deal so that they have to be admitted to Harvard??

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Anonymous wrote:I have sat in admissions rooms when decisions are being made.

We can now all sit in that same room, never mention race, never see race box-checks, and practically configure the same class of admittees.

The joke's on y'all.

Pretty sick you admit to practicing discrimination.

Lawsuits will start flying if AO do what that pp says. They will line up academic merit (scores/GPAs) and activities—-they can show they were discriminating based on race very easily.

+1

Harvard and other tippy top schools reject plenty of white kids with perfect/near perfect test scores, stellar grades, and multiple awards. So how can a white applicant with, say, a 1600 SAT score, stellar GPA, and great ECs prove they were discriminated against because of their race when plenty of similar white applicants were also rejected? Are you suggesting that these schools will now be forced to accept all such applicants, and thus have to double or triple the size of their entering classes, to avoid losing discrimination lawsuits?

A generalized wrong that is hard to prove at the individual level but easy to prove at the group level is the whole point of class actions

So Harvard will be forced to admit potentially several hundred rejected white students with top stats/awards due to a class action lawsuit if it accepts some URM students with lower stats (and who wrote killer essays about overcoming challenges)? I don't think so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Interesting that Thomas has not resigned the Supreme Court position that he got via a now-illegal race-based preference.

How was his selection race-based? Do you think Sotomayor’s or Jackson’s was? Do you have anything intelligent to say in response to this post? No? Great, I’m opening a bottle of champagne. Thank you, SCOTUS!

I believe PP was pointing to Thomas' college admissions being race-based preference...

And next year, the same people will be whining and griping that their DC Brad, Noah, Olivia, and Emma were still rejected notwithstanding the new admissions landscape.......

This is good news. As I said they'll have to look for another boogeyman and the rest of us will be watching their cowardice with glee.

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Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

Everyone will be writing about this: black, white, Asian.

I'm glad I don't have an applicant for a few years so I can see how this works out.

In 23-24 I bet 95% of applicants of any color write about racial hardship.

Asians will write about racial harship without revealing they are Asisns, and even implying they could be Blacks.

Well, good luck to them trying to also hide their last names (and their parent’s names).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard doesn't seem to upset with the decision and they are highlighting the subjective aspects of decisions in their letter to the alumni community:

"The Court also ruled that colleges and universities may consider in admissions decisions “an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.” We will certainly comply with the Court’s decision."

Most of their URMs are actually the creme of the crop, sons and daughters of URM doctors and lawyers... top 1%. Why is Harvard selling negativity when it should be selling the spirit of overcoming insurmountable odds? I am sure harvard has a few token ghetto students.
The sad truth is they are mostly well-off Africans and Caribbeans whose sons and daughters now will be writing about how their parents arrived in the US in refugee boats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yeah!

- Asian.

I co-sign this and I’m black.

I hate race-based affirmative action for “diversity” reasons and completely agree with Justice Thomas on how stigmatizing it is for black students at elite schools. It bothers me to no end how every one (especially on DCUM) readily dismisses conservative black voices as if we are some imaginary creatures that cannot possibly diverge from liberal stereotypes. (I’m looking at you, Biden, with your “you’re not black if you don’t vote for me” crap.)

News flash: pull up a Pew poll, even among African Americans, a majority did NOT support race-based admissions advantages for college.

I did not vote for Trump but I considered it. And I am grateful for his appointments to the Supreme Court because they’ve restored sanity to the interpretation of the Constitution.

Black kids at good colleges will now get the credit and respect they deserve.

The same respect that a Black President gets!

The same respect that a Black person trying to buy or sell a house gets!

The same respect that a Black person driving a car or walking down the street gets!

I’m a black person who’s gotten respect doing all of these things! Thanks!

You are a Black person who has gotten respect doing all of these thing? So you were the President? Nice corresponding with you Mr. Obama.

This gave me a chuckle as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian, White and Black students enter a baking competition. Black students have their hands tied behind their back. Asian and White bake beautiful cakes. They place first and second. Although there is an award for third place, the Black student does not get it because they did not finish their cake. Everyone says, well it's the Black person's fault for not producing a great cake. Yet, it's incredible that they were able to produce any edible cake at all. They say "Look, the goal was clear! Just bake a cake. Easy! We did it and won!"

Everyone who is celebrating this decision is proud of their status and privilege. Many Black students enter college and excel - despite the fact that they have had every barrier possible thrown their way. Affirmative Action was a system for giving credit to people who have been and continue to be historically marginalized.

Now, fewer deserving Black students will be allowed access because the criteria they are being judged on is not attainable to many of them.

It's a sad, sad day!

oh come on. Most of us live in the DMV where the blacks and latinos getting Ivy spots are the children of doctors, law partners and diplomats.
At my kids' Big3 school they are typically the kids of 2 physician families from Chevy Chase. The poor black classmates from PG are not getting the Ivy spots--trust me.
It's the same at the top Montgomery Co high schools.
These kids have lived a more privileged life than the vast majority of white and Asian kids I know.

I'm 150% for giving and admissions boost for first-gen and/or lower economic status kids but he URM thing is a joke in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My impression is that this decision means:

Race cannot be an objective factor in the college admissions process, but it can be a subjective factor.

It has always been subjective factor.
They can't use it anymore.

Not exactly, the court ruling doesn't shoot down that colleges cannot be influenced by the impact that race has had on an individual. Therefore, if in an essay a student can explain how racism has shaped their access, experiences, motivations, admissions officers can take that into account. Likewise if a LoR letter highlights how a student has experienced racism yet prevailed etc. that can also be used.
I've seen some college admissions officers say that this decision will likely expand admissions based on the experiences of racism resulting in an even more diverse campus. I think this will open up some of the diversity issues within the Asian American and Hispanic groups in the US too--they can make a case through essays about their experiences of racism. This may give the colleges even more leeway to create diverse classes. I guess we'll see. My guess is that large public school systems that don't use essays signficantly in admissions might become less diverse, but elite private schools might become even more diverse.

Racial discrimination is one of the social hardships among many.
Asian students experiene that too.

If the school systematically give more points to Blacks studetns racial discrimination harship, say hello to flood of lawsuits.

Nope, because the new criteria is the subjective experience of racism and how it has challenged access to academics (that the student has still succeeded against). It's a lot harder to make a case that Asian Americans experience similar levels and types of racism that challenge their academic pursuits. This decision just made it a lot harder for lawsuits against race-based admissions IMO because it relies on an interpretation of the 14th amendment to be about racism rather than race.

First, AOs gave higher points to Asiasn on pretty much everything including ECs, leadership, etc. I'm sure higher points on essays.
It was at the committee level that created racist category and gave negative points to Asians.
What will the committee tell the under paid AOs now? You better be very careful.

Second, it would be equally hard to make a case for the middle class and above Blacks whining about hardship from anything including racism.
Good luck finding lots of qualified students from the hood.
I can see the graduation rate and overall quality of schools gradually going down.

Why? There are many accounts of UMC Blacks being excessively stopped by cops, being treated suspiciously when they shop, when they are walking around in their UMC neighborhood.

Wow such a big deal so that they have to be admitted to Harvard??

If they are otherwise a compelling applicant, it could be a slight competitive edge over a kid who blithely never has to think about these things. That's the point.

[Anonymous]

So proud of America! So proud of the 6 Justices!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now let’s eliminate preferences for Athletics, Legacy, Development, Faculty and Staff Children, Children of prominent people. If any of these is used in admissions, it will be in violation of the constitution in terms of equal treatment for all. If Harvard will want to discriminate applicants based on whether or not they fall in one or more of these categories, then stop allocating State and Federal funding for research to Harvard.

Mark my words: it's only a matter of time before a well funded progressive campaign goes after the criteria you cited. My guess is that, it will start at the state level.

[Anonymous]

Am I the only one here seeing the benefit of having more URM medical doctors in our society? For years, mostly white, male doctors have learned how diseases affect white males. More diverse groups of physicians, researchers have discovered how patients of color are affected by certain ailments. I am not saying that white male doctors have not done research on the health of URMs. The same probably happens in other areas of research. I am not an expert on any of this, just commenting on a few articles I have read throughout the years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

Everyone will be writing about this: black, white, Asian.

I'm glad I don't have an applicant for a few years so I can see how this works out.

In 23-24 I bet 95% of applicants of any color write about racial hardship.

Yeah . I can't wait to see what white people write about racial hardship.

The college has no way of knowing that they are white. They can write whatever they want and become whomever they want in their essays.

And what will they do when the rest of their application (name, neighborhood, school, ECs, etc) directly contradict their essays? Denied, based on fraud.