Queen of E's funeral fashion

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Anonymous wrote:My torso's wide, my breasts are small, and now my story is all told.

Yes the neckline is weird but the dress is a stunner anyway, sorry but show me a British royal other than Kate who has EVER looked this good in anything:

Speaking of a dress making your bust look weird!

It's not that it makes your bust look weird, it's that QEII had, in popular parlance, a set of tig ole bitties.

Her eyebrows look microbladed oh look she's a trendsetter.

Sorry but regardless of the size of your bosom, wearing a big red sash over it and then affixing a giant gold medal to your left boob and only your left boob does in fact tend to draw the eye in a strange way.

But please, go on explaining how Meghan is a travesty compared to this family of fashionistas.

That wasn't a fashion choice. It's Queen shit.
You thought the sash was fashion thing?

Whoever posted that photo as an example of a royal looking particularly stylish apparently did.

This is the Beauty & Fashion forum, not the worshipping royal deities forum. Everyone gets that the Queen's power lay in being the Queen, not looking fashionable. But there IS power in being very stylish and beautiful, and it's a power that Meghan Markle wields, and it appears that some people are very bothered by this which is why she is consistently criticized for her appearance despite consistently looking better than the most of the BRF at royal events, including the Queen's funeral. Even if you don't personally like her dress, the idea that she wasn't one of the best dressed people there is a joke. I don't personally like royal drag but can acknowledge the people who turned it out very well, including Kate and Sophie.

You're making this personal, and it isn't. Just because someone doesn't like her outfit, it doesn't mean that she's ugly and unloved. It's just the outfit.

The green dress fits her very poorly. Look at the waist area and you'll see it riding up, it's clearly too small for her, and at the frontal shots you can see her underwear lines.

The same goes for that iconic blue dress under the umbrella shot. It's too small in the torso and rides up like there's no tomorrow. She often wears tops that aren't fitted properly in the upper chest so has smiley lines radiating from her armpits.

Here's the frontal shot so you see what I mean:

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Anonymous wrote:My torso's wide, my breasts are small, and now my story is all told.

She looks beautiful here. The only change I would make is to give her a higher bun.

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Anonymous wrote:My torso's wide, my breasts are small, and now my story is all told.

Harry looks just like Phillip here!

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Yes the neckline is weird but the dress is a stunner anyway, sorry but show me a British royal other than Kate who has EVER looked this good in anything.

There is no such thing as a stunning dress with a weird neckline. The neckline frames your face, which is the most important thing about a person. When the neckline is screwed, so is the rest.

We aren't running a contest within the BRF, we're evaluating Markle on her own merits against the claimed label of a good dresser.

But yes, come to think of it, I've never seen THAT much skin on Kate, and for that, I'm sincerely grateful.

The rules change constantly though. This is someone whose every move has been scrutinized by the press for the last 4+ years. She looks great most of the time. It's fine you don't like the bust on this one dress. It's fine if you think that one pair of pants was ill-fitting. I disagree but whatever.

The point is, if you can't admit that MM is a fashionable woman who knows how to dress, you are being disingenuous and looking for things to dislike about her. She is a beautiful woman who looks great in clothes and despite being in the public eye and having a veritable army of reporters who have made it their mission in life to catch her looking bad on camera, she still mostly manages to look great. Do you have any freaking idea how hard that would be?

I mean I could sit here and drag up all Kate's missteps from the handful of years before and after she married William -- there were a million of them and she had a lot more goodwill that Meghan gets. But I don't dislike Kate and I'm not petty AF so I won't.

She looked good at the funeral and was appropriate and didn't do a single thing wrong the entire week. It's honestly sad that some of you can't just admit that.

I mean look, Meghan is a beautiful woman, I give you that. I think she often dresses inappropriately, and she, like so many of us, misjudges her size and forgoes foundation garments. It's not a capital sin.

Here is the thing: there are different standards at play for people who CLAIM to be good dressers and people who DON'T. People are forgiving of Kate because she, quite frankly, is NOT fashion forward and does not outwardly ASPIRE to be that way. Meghan, on the other hand, has ambitions to be tasteful and stylish. Therefore, she's scrutinized more and judged more harshly. Like, no one judges the way Eugenie or Beatrice dress because they do not pretend to be stylish.

Oh good lord. First of all, Kate 100% aspires to be fashionable in a "I'm gonna be queen one day" way. She is actively trying to look good and has always sought to use her appearance to boost her public persona AND her clout within the royal family. Don't be naive. She is great at it now but it took her a while to find her stride. Do you not recall the great furor over how much the Queen hated Kate's espadrilles? She's a fashion plate but she's been in the same job for a decade and she's hit her stride.

Eugenie and Beatrice want nothing more than to be considered cool and stylish. It is honestly part of their charm. The love clothes and dressing up and nothing brings them more pleasure than a royal wedding where they can wear something insane on their bodies and their heads and get their picture in the papers. Yes, the want to be stylish and if you don't think they admire Meghan's ability to dress than you are kidding yourself. Meghan is beautiful and knows how to dress.

Nope I disagree with you on Kate. She dresses, most of the time, in a way that 95% of the population would not want to imitate - too conservative, too careful. She dresses well for her job, yes, but no one else has that job. Believe me, no woman her age wants to wear these clothes. She's not a fashion plate at all.

Eugenie and Beatrice have never had anything but a quirky English look. Neither has ever been known for beauty or style, and no one expects it from them.

Meghan is beautiful, yes. In my opinion, her dressing choices are often wrong for her and for the occasion. Recollections vary.

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Oh interesting, you like the green dress? I think most of your other examples are really good choices of times she looked phenomenal. But that green get up was horrible to me.

Yes what a hag, what does Harry see in her



It's hard to take you seriously when you call a look like this "horrible".

I’m the PP you are replying to and yes she’s gorgeous. She always is. I have never called a woman a hag in my entire life and I wouldn’t.

But we are talking about clothes, right? I hate that outfit, yes I think it’s horrible. I actually thought most people agreed on that one. You can like it if you want!

She needs a nose job

It’s pretty well agreed that she has already had a subtle rhinoplasty. This happened well before she met PH.

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This, on the other hand, was one of her better choices. This underscores that it's better to have something too roomy than too tight.

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Anonymous wrote:My torso's wide, my breasts are small, and now my story is all told.

Yes the neckline is weird but the dress is a stunner anyway, sorry but show me a British royal other than Kate who has EVER looked this good in anything:

Speaking of a dress making your bust look weird!

It's not that it makes your bust look weird, it's that QEII had, in popular parlance, a set of tig ole bitties.

Her eyebrows look microbladed oh look she's a trendsetter.

Sorry but regardless of the size of your bosom, wearing a big red sash over it and then affixing a giant gold medal to your left boob and only your left boob does in fact tend to draw the eye in a strange way.

But please, go on explaining how Meghan is a travesty compared to this family of fashionistas.

That wasn't a fashion choice. It's Queen shit.
You thought the sash was fashion thing?

Whoever posted that photo as an example of a royal looking particularly stylish apparently did.

This is the Beauty & Fashion forum, not the worshipping royal deities forum. Everyone gets that the Queen's power lay in being the Queen, not looking fashionable. But there IS power in being very stylish and beautiful, and it's a power that Meghan Markle wields, and it appears that some people are very bothered by this which is why she is consistently criticized for her appearance despite consistently looking better than the most of the BRF at royal events, including the Queen's funeral. Even if you don't personally like her dress, the idea that she wasn't one of the best dressed people there is a joke. I don't personally like royal drag but can acknowledge the people who turned it out very well, including Kate and Sophie.

You're making this personal, and it isn't. Just because someone doesn't like her outfit, it doesn't mean that she's ugly and unloved. It's just the outfit.

The green dress fits her very poorly. Look at the waist area and you'll see it riding up, it's clearly too small for her, and at the frontal shots you can see her underwear lines.

The same goes for that iconic blue dress under the umbrella shot. It's too small in the torso and rides up like there's no tomorrow. She often wears tops that aren't fitted properly in the upper chest so has smiley lines radiating from her armpits.

Here's the frontal shot so you see what I mean:

Agreed re: fit. Meghan has the kind of figure that requires tailoring for certain kinds of clothes- particularly where she will be photographed. She’s shaped like a carrot. I have a friend with this body type and she always looks immaculate, but the key is good tailoring where necessary- particularly for dresses because the top and bottom of this body type is very disproportionate.

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Yes the neckline is weird but the dress is a stunner anyway, sorry but show me a British royal other than Kate who has EVER looked this good in anything.

There is no such thing as a stunning dress with a weird neckline. The neckline frames your face, which is the most important thing about a person. When the neckline is screwed, so is the rest.

We aren't running a contest within the BRF, we're evaluating Markle on her own merits against the claimed label of a good dresser.

But yes, come to think of it, I've never seen THAT much skin on Kate, and for that, I'm sincerely grateful.

The rules change constantly though. This is someone whose every move has been scrutinized by the press for the last 4+ years. She looks great most of the time. It's fine you don't like the bust on this one dress. It's fine if you think that one pair of pants was ill-fitting. I disagree but whatever.

The point is, if you can't admit that MM is a fashionable woman who knows how to dress, you are being disingenuous and looking for things to dislike about her. She is a beautiful woman who looks great in clothes and despite being in the public eye and having a veritable army of reporters who have made it their mission in life to catch her looking bad on camera, she still mostly manages to look great. Do you have any freaking idea how hard that would be?

I mean I could sit here and drag up all Kate's missteps from the handful of years before and after she married William -- there were a million of them and she had a lot more goodwill that Meghan gets. But I don't dislike Kate and I'm not petty AF so I won't.

She looked good at the funeral and was appropriate and didn't do a single thing wrong the entire week. It's honestly sad that some of you can't just admit that.

I mean look, Meghan is a beautiful woman, I give you that. I think she often dresses inappropriately, and she, like so many of us, misjudges her size and forgoes foundation garments. It's not a capital sin.

Here is the thing: there are different standards at play for people who CLAIM to be good dressers and people who DON'T. People are forgiving of Kate because she, quite frankly, is NOT fashion forward and does not outwardly ASPIRE to be that way. Meghan, on the other hand, has ambitions to be tasteful and stylish. Therefore, she's scrutinized more and judged more harshly. Like, no one judges the way Eugenie or Beatrice dress because they do not pretend to be stylish.

Oh good lord. First of all, Kate 100% aspires to be fashionable in a "I'm gonna be queen one day" way. She is actively trying to look good and has always sought to use her appearance to boost her public persona AND her clout within the royal family. Don't be naive. She is great at it now but it took her a while to find her stride. Do you not recall the great furor over how much the Queen hated Kate's espadrilles? She's a fashion plate but she's been in the same job for a decade and she's hit her stride.

Eugenie and Beatrice want nothing more than to be considered cool and stylish. It is honestly part of their charm. The love clothes and dressing up and nothing brings them more pleasure than a royal wedding where they can wear something insane on their bodies and their heads and get their picture in the papers. Yes, the want to be stylish and if you don't think they admire Meghan's ability to dress than you are kidding yourself. Meghan is beautiful and knows how to dress.

Nope I disagree with you on Kate. She dresses, most of the time, in a way that 95% of the population would not want to imitate - too conservative, too careful. She dresses well for her job, yes, but no one else has that job. Believe me, no woman her age wants to wear these clothes. She's not a fashion plate at all.

Eugenie and Beatrice have never had anything but a quirky English look. Neither has ever been known for beauty or style, and no one expects it from them.

Meghan is beautiful, yes. In my opinion, her dressing choices are often wrong for her and for the occasion. Recollections vary.

Ok.

Oh interesting, you like the green dress? I think most of your other examples are really good choices of times she looked phenomenal. But that green get up was horrible to me.

Yes what a hag, what does Harry see in her



It's hard to take you seriously when you call a look like this "horrible".

Well I don’t think anyone was suggesting he chose her for her food personality….

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Anonymous wrote:Kate looked elegant and regal as always. A modern-day Audrey Hepburn. Beautiful!

She did look beautiful and regal but dress was nothing special.

The dress is not supposed to be special. It's a funeral.

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Anonymous wrote:This, on the other hand, was one of her better choices. This underscores that it's better to have something too roomy than too tight.

This looks nice but is also incredibly dull and lacking in personality. This was during the phase when she was just dressing in neutral tones, wearing almost exclusively inoffensive but bland day dresses with matching accessories and trying to keep her mouth shut. It looks nice but is unexciting. People who like her best like this are the same people who constantly compare her to Kate unfavorably. Kate is great at this kind of thing because it's her actual job. Meghan can play this role for a time but it's not actually who she is, which is why ultimately this tiny box people put her in started to feel too tight.

People can criticize stuff like the bright green outfit all they want but you can really see her personality in it -- those photos of the cape flying out over her shoulder while she looks right at the camera with the hat perfectly angled over her face? It's a fashion moment, and the fact that the dress is not perfectly tailored doesn't really matter. It's not about the dress fitting perfectly. It's about the color and the lines it creates to make a really exciting and appealing photographable moment. She wore it right around the time that they decided to move to the US and I remember seeing it and thinking "wow she must be happy to be getting free" and it made me more sympathetic to her. That's skill on her part. It very different from the kind of skill Kate or the Queen used in their clothes. But it's still skill.

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Yes the neckline is weird but the dress is a stunner anyway, sorry but show me a British royal other than Kate who has EVER looked this good in anything.

There is no such thing as a stunning dress with a weird neckline. The neckline frames your face, which is the most important thing about a person. When the neckline is screwed, so is the rest.

We aren't running a contest within the BRF, we're evaluating Markle on her own merits against the claimed label of a good dresser.

But yes, come to think of it, I've never seen THAT much skin on Kate, and for that, I'm sincerely grateful.

The rules change constantly though. This is someone whose every move has been scrutinized by the press for the last 4+ years. She looks great most of the time. It's fine you don't like the bust on this one dress. It's fine if you think that one pair of pants was ill-fitting. I disagree but whatever.

The point is, if you can't admit that MM is a fashionable woman who knows how to dress, you are being disingenuous and looking for things to dislike about her. She is a beautiful woman who looks great in clothes and despite being in the public eye and having a veritable army of reporters who have made it their mission in life to catch her looking bad on camera, she still mostly manages to look great. Do you have any freaking idea how hard that would be?

I mean I could sit here and drag up all Kate's missteps from the handful of years before and after she married William -- there were a million of them and she had a lot more goodwill that Meghan gets. But I don't dislike Kate and I'm not petty AF so I won't.

She looked good at the funeral and was appropriate and didn't do a single thing wrong the entire week. It's honestly sad that some of you can't just admit that.

I mean look, Meghan is a beautiful woman, I give you that. I think she often dresses inappropriately, and she, like so many of us, misjudges her size and forgoes foundation garments. It's not a capital sin.

Here is the thing: there are different standards at play for people who CLAIM to be good dressers and people who DON'T. People are forgiving of Kate because she, quite frankly, is NOT fashion forward and does not outwardly ASPIRE to be that way. Meghan, on the other hand, has ambitions to be tasteful and stylish. Therefore, she's scrutinized more and judged more harshly. Like, no one judges the way Eugenie or Beatrice dress because they do not pretend to be stylish.

Oh good lord. First of all, Kate 100% aspires to be fashionable in a "I'm gonna be queen one day" way. She is actively trying to look good and has always sought to use her appearance to boost her public persona AND her clout within the royal family. Don't be naive. She is great at it now but it took her a while to find her stride. Do you not recall the great furor over how much the Queen hated Kate's espadrilles? She's a fashion plate but she's been in the same job for a decade and she's hit her stride.

Eugenie and Beatrice want nothing more than to be considered cool and stylish. It is honestly part of their charm. The love clothes and dressing up and nothing brings them more pleasure than a royal wedding where they can wear something insane on their bodies and their heads and get their picture in the papers. Yes, the want to be stylish and if you don't think they admire Meghan's ability to dress than you are kidding yourself. Meghan is beautiful and knows how to dress.

Nope I disagree with you on Kate. She dresses, most of the time, in a way that 95% of the population would not want to imitate - too conservative, too careful. She dresses well for her job, yes, but no one else has that job. Believe me, no woman her age wants to wear these clothes. She's not a fashion plate at all.

Eugenie and Beatrice have never had anything but a quirky English look. Neither has ever been known for beauty or style, and no one expects it from them.

Meghan is beautiful, yes. In my opinion, her dressing choices are often wrong for her and for the occasion. Recollections vary.

Ok.

She looks amazing in the red and green!

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The Queen and Wallis at Duke's funeral

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Queen Elizabeth, grandmother Queen Mary, and Queen Mother at King George VI funeral

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Anonymous wrote:This, on the other hand, was one of her better choices. This underscores that it's better to have something too roomy than too tight.

This looks nice but is also incredibly dull and lacking in personality. This was during the phase when she was just dressing in neutral tones, wearing almost exclusively inoffensive but bland day dresses with matching accessories and trying to keep her mouth shut. It looks nice but is unexciting. People who like her best like this are the same people who constantly compare her to Kate unfavorably. Kate is great at this kind of thing because it's her actual job. Meghan can play this role for a time but it's not actually who she is, which is why ultimately this tiny box people put her in started to feel too tight.

People can criticize stuff like the bright green outfit all they want but you can really see her personality in it -- those photos of the cape flying out over her shoulder while she looks right at the camera with the hat perfectly angled over her face? It's a fashion moment, and the fact that the dress is not perfectly tailored doesn't really matter. It's not about the dress fitting perfectly. It's about the color and the lines it creates to make a really exciting and appealing photographable moment. She wore it right around the time that they decided to move to the US and I remember seeing it and thinking "wow she must be happy to be getting free" and it made me more sympathetic to her. That's skill on her part. It very different from the kind of skill Kate or the Queen used in their clothes. But it's still skill.

DP. I see what you mean about the green dress and the fashion moment. But she’s not free. She’s totally beholden to Hollywood bc of the path they have chosen and that’s why you see them on Oprah talking about Kate and giving interviews about the RF to magazines. I doubt they can do a project without banking on the drama or their RF connections because that’s what the public wants to consume. It’s so interesting that even being a Prince can’t get your more substantive content made in Hollywood! I won’t be shocked if they come back to the RF in some other kind of role in the future. If they REALLY want 5i be free, they need to find jobs more or less out of the spotlight and settle for less wealth.

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Anonymous wrote:This, on the other hand, was one of her better choices. This underscores that it's better to have something too roomy than too tight.

This looks nice but is also incredibly dull and lacking in personality. This was during the phase when she was just dressing in neutral tones, wearing almost exclusively inoffensive but bland day dresses with matching accessories and trying to keep her mouth shut. It looks nice but is unexciting. People who like her best like this are the same people who constantly compare her to Kate unfavorably. Kate is great at this kind of thing because it's her actual job. Meghan can play this role for a time but it's not actually who she is, which is why ultimately this tiny box people put her in started to feel too tight.

People can criticize stuff like the bright green outfit all they want but you can really see her personality in it -- those photos of the cape flying out over her shoulder while she looks right at the camera with the hat perfectly angled over her face? It's a fashion moment, and the fact that the dress is not perfectly tailored doesn't really matter. It's not about the dress fitting perfectly. It's about the color and the lines it creates to make a really exciting and appealing photographable moment. She wore it right around the time that they decided to move to the US and I remember seeing it and thinking "wow she must be happy to be getting free" and it made me more sympathetic to her. That's skill on her part. It very different from the kind of skill Kate or the Queen used in their clothes. But it's still skill.

We disagree on that. I think the olive green dress looks rich and calmly self-assured.

Everything you say about the bright green outfit would have just as true if it did fit properly in the torso.