Western High School Boundary Map options (A/B/C/D)

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Anonymous wrote:Seema has said she wants Crossfield at Skyview because it keeps Sully kids in a Sully school, but the only part of Crossfield that is in Sully is Franklin Farm. Everything west and north of West Ox Rd is in Maren's district.

I wonder if it’s possible that the Franklin Farm part of Crossfield would get zoned to Skyview while the rest stays at Oakton? Kind of like how most of Navy goes to Oakton but a small part goes to Chantilly. Wouldn’t that be ironic considering who has been leading the RIO charge…

The people who want to stay in Oakton primarily live in Franklin Farm.

That is absolutely incorrect. RIO is largely made up of people in Franklin Farms. Have you listened to the speakers at any of the community meetings? They have been from the West Side of West Ox road but are either unaware of or not aligned with RIO but still want Crossfield at Oakton. Those from Crossfield wanting to move to Skyview have been far too focused on RIO.

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

And Waples Mill is also closer to Fairfax. If you look at that petition floating around you’ll see there is heavy support from both them and Navy probably for the reason you’ve suggested

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Anonymous wrote:They are setting boundaries after opt-in is done probably to find an option with least resistance. After setting boundaries, if some people question the decision, they can say that: it's that way because your area has a high number of opt-in students which indicates that majority of students in the area wants to go to the new high school. Setting boundaries this way creates problems for the following years, although it's a politically "smart" approach.

Anonymous wrote:If I had a say, the boundaries would have been set in January and the only option would have been to opt out, but I am not. I can only speculate based on what the info that has been put out.

My only point in the opting in was that it is only meant to be this year because of how they screwed up the process. People ar eposting as if the opt in option from this year means the school will be a magnate (sp) school. It doesn’t. It is a unique option for this year.

Families at Chantilly that are not happy with the size of the school had the choice to opt in. We don’t know if they did or they did not. The SLHS PTA was told that 40-45 9th graders from SLHS opted in to Western. Those are the only numbers we have heard.

Chantilly will see kids move in 2 years when the boundaries are set.

Do I think things can shift? Yes, they have been shifting this entire time. I wish they would release the numbers, I am curious and I think it would hel with speculation. But that is me. I am guessing that we will find out how many kids opted in at the meeting in a few weeks.

It's stupid because it only takes the opinions of people with 7th and 8th graders into account. Families with younger kids may have different opinions. We bought our home specifically BECAUSE it was zoned to South Lakes. We are an international family and see the value of an IB diploma. We will be disappointed if Fox Mill is moved to Skyview. We were under the impression that because it had not been very long since they moved it to South Lakes, it would remain stable for a long time.

Many people in the neighborhood were upset when FMES was moved from Oakton to SLHS and are working to see FMES moved to Skyview.

But are those families with older children? If you moved in the past 10 years, you moved knowing what school the neighborhood is zoned to. That is why I'm saying it's not fair that families with younger children don't have a say. Many of us moved here to go to an IB school.

If parents wanted IB then you wouldn’t lose 30-50 students each year to pupil placement to AP schools and far more kids would complete the IB diploma.

Again - many of these families might have already lived in Fox Mill when the school was changed, however those of us that have moved more recently knew what we were getting into.

And many people move in for the ES and MS and know they are pupil placing for HS because they don't want IB. The school loses almost the same number of kids to AP schools as they turn out IB Diplomas. Those IB Diploma numbers include the kids pupil placing into SLHS, most of whom are coming from Herndon. Those kids are pupil placing in because they went to Hughes for AAP and want to stay with friends. Or because their parents don't want them at Herndon and SLHS is closer then Langley. There are some kids who come because they want IB, I know a few from Westfield. But not many people are buying to attend SLHS for IB. Most people buying to attend a school for IB go to Robinson, Edison, or Marshall where they have far better completion rates and support then SLHS does.

Families from Floris and Fox Mill have been asking for AP since they were made to move 20 years ago. Since the County refuses to listen, those families move. This would be more noticeable if the Herndon kids were not flooding into SLHS.

IB should be an opt in program, like it is in every county around us. You apply to take it and you attend the closest school that offers it. But every HS in the County should have a full AP program. Families should not be forced to participate in a program that is a bad fit for the vast majority of kids. So yes, there are many people who are happy to potentially be moved because they are not interested in IB. And those include the parents of younger kids who know that they are pupil placing out of SLHS or moving before HS starts.

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Anonymous wrote:They are setting boundaries after opt-in is done probably to find an option with least resistance. After setting boundaries, if some people question the decision, they can say that: it's that way because your area has a high number of opt-in students which indicates that majority of students in the area wants to go to the new high school. Setting boundaries this way creates problems for the following years, although it's a politically "smart" approach.

Anonymous wrote:If I had a say, the boundaries would have been set in January and the only option would have been to opt out, but I am not. I can only speculate based on what the info that has been put out.

My only point in the opting in was that it is only meant to be this year because of how they screwed up the process. People ar eposting as if the opt in option from this year means the school will be a magnate (sp) school. It doesn’t. It is a unique option for this year.

Families at Chantilly that are not happy with the size of the school had the choice to opt in. We don’t know if they did or they did not. The SLHS PTA was told that 40-45 9th graders from SLHS opted in to Western. Those are the only numbers we have heard.

Chantilly will see kids move in 2 years when the boundaries are set.

Do I think things can shift? Yes, they have been shifting this entire time. I wish they would release the numbers, I am curious and I think it would hel with speculation. But that is me. I am guessing that we will find out how many kids opted in at the meeting in a few weeks.

It's stupid because it only takes the opinions of people with 7th and 8th graders into account. Families with younger kids may have different opinions. We bought our home specifically BECAUSE it was zoned to South Lakes. We are an international family and see the value of an IB diploma. We will be disappointed if Fox Mill is moved to Skyview. We were under the impression that because it had not been very long since they moved it to South Lakes, it would remain stable for a long time.

Many people in the neighborhood were upset when FMES was moved from Oakton to SLHS and are working to see FMES moved to Skyview.

But are those families with older children? If you moved in the past 10 years, you moved knowing what school the neighborhood is zoned to. That is why I'm saying it's not fair that families with younger children don't have a say. Many of us moved here to go to an IB school.

If parents wanted IB then you wouldn’t lose 30-50 students each year to pupil placement to AP schools and far more kids would complete the IB diploma.

Again - many of these families might have already lived in Fox Mill when the school was changed, however those of us that have moved more recently knew what we were getting into.

And many people move in for the ES and MS and know they are pupil placing for HS because they don't want IB. The school loses almost the same number of kids to AP schools as they turn out IB Diplomas. Those IB Diploma numbers include the kids pupil placing into SLHS, most of whom are coming from Herndon. Those kids are pupil placing in because they went to Hughes for AAP and want to stay with friends. Or because their parents don't want them at Herndon and SLHS is closer then Langley. There are some kids who come because they want IB, I know a few from Westfield. But not many people are buying to attend SLHS for IB. Most people buying to attend a school for IB go to Robinson, Edison, or Marshall where they have far better completion rates and support then SLHS does.

Families from Floris and Fox Mill have been asking for AP since they were made to move 20 years ago. Since the County refuses to listen, those families move. This would be more noticeable if the Herndon kids were not flooding into SLHS.

IB should be an opt in program, like it is in every county around us. You apply to take it and you attend the closest school that offers it. But every HS in the County should have a full AP program. Families should not be forced to participate in a program that is a bad fit for the vast majority of kids. So yes, there are many people who are happy to potentially be moved because they are not interested in IB. And those include the parents of younger kids who know that they are pupil placing out of SLHS or moving before HS starts.

FCPS creates some very strange behavioral incentives, and then feigns ignorance about what it's done.

If opening Skyview serves to keep more kids in their pyramid without having to pupil place or fight in vain for AP, it's a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

False, Chantilly is closest to Navy, not Fairfax, and Waples mill is closest to Oakton.

Make sure to calculate driving time before making an erroneous post!

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

False, Chantilly is closest to Navy, not Fairfax, and Waples mill is closest to Oakton.

Make sure to calculate driving time before making an erroneous post!

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

False, Chantilly is closest to Navy, not Fairfax, and Waples mill is closest to Oakton.

Make sure to calculate driving time before making an erroneous post!

PP said "closer" not "closest."

Chantilly is full. Navy kids were taken out of Chantilly some years ago because of the overcrowding.
But, I am not sure that Fairfax is closer than Oakton to the neighborhoods.

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If anything you would think that Navy and Waples Mill would want Crossfield moved to Skyview. That would take some kids out of Oakton which could help them if/when Oakton is overcrowded due to new construction down the road. I think the people who signed the petition are just friends and acquaintances of RIO people who signed without thinking too deeply about it after being texted the link. One RIO person I know has been sort of crazy about this and has seemingly contacted everyone they know about this stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:If anything you would think that Navy and Waples Mill would want Crossfield moved to Skyview. That would take some kids out of Oakton which could help them if/when Oakton is overcrowded due to new construction down the road. I think the people who signed the petition are just friends and acquaintances of RIO people who signed without thinking too deeply about it after being texted the link. One RIO person I know has been sort of crazy about this and has seemingly contacted everyone they know about this stuff.

There are Franklin Farm people who are in boundary for Navy (it is an island). Plus, AAP for Crossfield go to Navy. So, some probably claim Navy over Crossfield.

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

And Waples Mill is also closer to Fairfax. If you look at that petition floating around you’ll see there is heavy support from both them and Navy probably for the reason you’ve suggested

I am a Navy parent, I know for a fact this is true.

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

False, Chantilly is closest to Navy, not Fairfax, and Waples mill is closest to Oakton.

Make sure to calculate driving time before making an erroneous post!

PP said "closer" not "closest."

Chantilly is full. Navy kids were taken out of Chantilly some years ago because of the overcrowding.
But, I am not sure that Fairfax is closer than Oakton to the neighborhoods.

Navy kids weren't taken out of Chantilly because of overcrowding. Oakton kids at Fox Mill were moved to South Lakes to bolster the enrollment at South Lakes, and then the School Board member from Providence who lived in the Oakton district wanted other kids moved into Oakton to avoid reducing its enrollment. He was worried Oakton teams would suffer with a lower enrollment. Navy fit the bill, and Kathy Smith went along with it.

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

And Waples Mill is also closer to Fairfax. If you look at that petition floating around you’ll see there is heavy support from both them and Navy probably for the reason you’ve suggested

I am a Navy parent, I know for a fact this is true.

That is some dumb logic from parents who think they are so smart. Overcrowding is a bigger threat and influence on boundary changes than distance to a school.

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Anonymous wrote:It will provide an important data point in the decision making. For example, it's going to be a useful data point in deciding moving crossfield or foxmil. That data won't affect Oakhill.

Anonymous wrote:The boundary decisions are not being made solely on opt-in numbers. That's DCUM speculation.

Gee. Why didn't they do the boundary study based on those who want to Opt-in to any school?

I do not understand this process at all.

Reid is clueless.

With how few changes they made in the grand scheme it sort of feels like that’s what they did.

I'd be very surprised if Meren supports South Lakes losing Fox Mill.

Meren doesn’t know the difference between Fox Mill and Fox Mill Woods.

I’d love to lose Meren.

If Reid’s proposal sends Fox Mill to Skyview the other board members will pass it.

Crossfield to Skyview makes so much more sense that I don't think even one board member would object if that were Reid's proposal.

What I find crazy is how Navy families are so involved in this. They are worried that if Crossfield is moved to a closer school, that they will be moved to Fairfax, which is closer to them.

False, Chantilly is closest to Navy, not Fairfax, and Waples mill is closest to Oakton.

Make sure to calculate driving time before making an erroneous post!

PP said "closer" not "closest."

Chantilly is full. Navy kids were taken out of Chantilly some years ago because of the overcrowding.
But, I am not sure that Fairfax is closer than Oakton to the neighborhoods.

Navy kids weren't taken out of Chantilly because of overcrowding. Oakton kids at Fox Mill were moved to South Lakes to bolster the enrollment at South Lakes, and then the School Board member from Providence who lived in the Oakton district wanted other kids moved into Oakton to avoid reducing its enrollment. He was worried Oakton teams would suffer with a lower enrollment. Navy fit the bill, and Kathy Smith went along with it.

That is only part of the story. The "official premise" for the redistricting was that Westfield and Chantilly were overcrowded. Stu and Kathy resurrected an old FCPS policy that said that 2000 was the optimum number for a high school (ironic, since they had just expanded Westfield.)

Those close to this process know that the real reason was the efforts of the South Lakes PTSA who orchestrated the whole thing. They even posted on their website maps that were acceptable to them. Their first choice was Armstrong and Aldrin in order to keep Reston together. However, Herndon PTA objected--and, I think, so did the Armstrong parents. McNair was suggested, but the demographics did not meet the South Lakes PTA approval. No one wanted to leave Chantilly, but, as you said, it would not have worked without the ability to backfill Oakton. At that time, the Floris people wanted to stay at Westfield and the Fox Mill people wanted to stay at Oakton. But, unlike this current western boundary process, their objections were overruled. People begged for AP at South Lakes.

And, yes, Oakton did need more students with the removal of Fox Mill, but the official reason for the redistricting was to reduce the numbers at Chantilly and Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Seema has said she wants Crossfield at Skyview because it keeps Sully kids in a Sully school, but the only part of Crossfield that is in Sully is Franklin Farm. Everything west and north of West Ox Rd is in Maren's district.

I wonder if it’s possible that the Franklin Farm part of Crossfield would get zoned to Skyview while the rest stays at Oakton? Kind of like how most of Navy goes to Oakton but a small part goes to Chantilly. Wouldn’t that be ironic considering who has been leading the RIO charge…

The people who want to stay in Oakton primarily live in Franklin Farm.

That is absolutely incorrect. RIO is largely made up of people in Franklin Farms. Have you listened to the speakers at any of the community meetings? They have been from the West Side of West Ox road but are either unaware of or not aligned with RIO but still want Crossfield at Oakton. Those from Crossfield wanting to move to Skyview have been far too focused on RIO.

It is Franklin Farm, not Franklin Farms.