Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

But isn't that essentially saying "I don't see how you can see what I saw and come to a different conclusion than I did?" That's why a jury isn't a jury of one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

But that’s not the legal standard. She could be an abusive shrew and he still loses. The question is: do you think it’s true that he was abusive to her: verbally, emotionally or physically?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

She's not suing him and she didn't decide to air all their dirty laundry across international courtrooms. She wrote a vague op ed that would never have made that much news because it discussed events that had already been widely reported on. Acting like she has launched some large campaign against him is not an accurate reflection of reality. He has in fact dragged her through the mud as loudly and dramatically as possible though, and himself along with her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

But isn't that essentially saying "I don't see how you can see what I saw and come to a different conclusion than I did?" That's why a jury isn't a jury of one.

I mean, both sides aren't always equally valid. And in this case the hysteria has seemed to insane and out of line with the actual facts that I just feel it is evidence of extreme misogyny. People here are making up elaborate legal theories because it matches what they want to believe, what they BELIEVE justice to be. There have always been mobs with pitchforks, just because there are a lot of you doesn't mean you are not acting entirely irrationally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

But that’s not the legal standard. She could be an abusive shrew and he still loses. The question is: do you think it’s true that he was abusive to her: verbally, emotionally or physically?

I believe that he was verbally and maybe emotionally abusive to her. Physically and sexually? I don't know because i have not seen evidence that corroborates her claims. I think the crux of the JD defamation case has to do with the headline of the Op ed where she talked about sexual violence, not just any kind of abuse which would have also included verbal and emotional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

She's not suing him and she didn't decide to air all their dirty laundry across international courtrooms. She wrote a vague op ed that would never have made that much news because it discussed events that had already been widely reported on. Acting like she has launched some large campaign against him is not an accurate reflection of reality. He has in fact dragged her through the mud as loudly and dramatically as possible though, and himself along with her.

She wrote an oped that insinuated he was sexually violent and engaged in marital rape. If someone vaguely accused me of that publicly with no evidence to back it up AND that person had plenty of skeletons in their closet, you bet I’d drag them through the mud and then some.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

She's not suing him and she didn't decide to air all their dirty laundry across international courtrooms. She wrote a vague op ed that would never have made that much news because it discussed events that had already been widely reported on. Acting like she has launched some large campaign against him is not an accurate reflection of reality. He has in fact dragged her through the mud as loudly and dramatically as possible though, and himself along with her.

She wrote an oped that insinuated he was sexually violent and engaged in marital rape. If someone vaguely accused me of that publicly with no evidence to back it up AND that person had plenty of skeletons in their closet, you bet I’d drag them through the mud and then some.

Well that's fine, but then don't blame them when your life is ruined by the reporting on the trial you instigated rather than the action that made you mad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

She's not suing him and she didn't decide to air all their dirty laundry across international courtrooms. She wrote a vague op ed that would never have made that much news because it discussed events that had already been widely reported on. Acting like she has launched some large campaign against him is not an accurate reflection of reality. He has in fact dragged her through the mud as loudly and dramatically as possible though, and himself along with her.

I don't really care who is suing who. I just want to hear what they have to say and what evidence they have to back up their claims. And the Op ed was not vague. Within her narrative of abuse and how victims are treated (which are true), she expertly inserted claim of sexual violence by her ex husband

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

She's not suing him and she didn't decide to air all their dirty laundry across international courtrooms. She wrote a vague op ed that would never have made that much news because it discussed events that had already been widely reported on. Acting like she has launched some large campaign against him is not an accurate reflection of reality. He has in fact dragged her through the mud as loudly and dramatically as possible though, and himself along with her.

She wrote an oped that insinuated he was sexually violent and engaged in marital rape. If someone vaguely accused me of that publicly with no evidence to back it up AND that person had plenty of skeletons in their closet, you bet I’d drag them through the mud and then some.

Well that's fine, but then don't blame them when your life is ruined by the reporting on the trial you instigated rather than the action that made you mad.

His life was not ruined by the trial. It was ruined by her allegations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Because they didn’t. So much evidence against Depp. Heard countered every gotcha moment the plaintiffs threw at her. This isn’t a case about who lied the most or at all. If it was, then every witness testimony would be questionable. This isn’t a DV case, although it certainly will influence the jurors. The jury must decide a few very simple line items:

1. Did Heard REPUBLISH the Op Ed with any edits changing the original WAPO Op Ed? No
2. Did the original OP Ed cause Depp to lose income and job offers? No, testimony on both sides provided evidence that Depp was a risk years prior to Op Ed
3. Did Depp file the defamation case in retaliation? Yes, “global humiliation”, “ruin her”, “karma should take the breath out of her body”, “set her corpse on fire and f**k her to make sure she’s dead”

If the jury decides no to 1 or 2, Depp loses. If the jury decides yes to 3, Depp loses. They then determine damages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

It is a first amendment case. He should lose but not sure about the juries now after all the courtroom drama.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

She's not suing him and she didn't decide to air all their dirty laundry across international courtrooms. She wrote a vague op ed that would never have made that much news because it discussed events that had already been widely reported on. Acting like she has launched some large campaign against him is not an accurate reflection of reality. He has in fact dragged her through the mud as loudly and dramatically as possible though, and himself along with her.

She wrote an oped that insinuated he was sexually violent and engaged in marital rape. If someone vaguely accused me of that publicly with no evidence to back it up AND that person had plenty of skeletons in their closet, you bet I’d drag them through the mud and then some.

Well that's fine, but then don't blame them when your life is ruined by the reporting on the trial you instigated rather than the action that made you mad.

His life was not ruined by the trial. It was ruined by her allegations.

His life is not ruined (case in point: will you be able to just casually do a gig with Jeff Beck?). Both of them are attention whores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Because they didn’t. So much evidence against Depp. Heard countered every gotcha moment the plaintiffs threw at her. This isn’t a case about who lied the most or at all. If it was, then every witness testimony would be questionable. This isn’t a DV case, although it certainly will influence the jurors. The jury must decide a few very simple line items:

1. Did Heard REPUBLISH the Op Ed with any edits changing the original WAPO Op Ed? No
2. Did the original OP Ed cause Depp to lose income and job offers? No, testimony on both sides provided evidence that Depp was a risk years prior to Op Ed
3. Did Depp file the defamation case in retaliation? Yes, “global humiliation”, “ruin her”, “karma should take the breath out of her body”, “set her corpse on fire and f**k her to make sure she’s dead”

If the jury decides no to 1 or 2, Depp loses. If the jury decides yes to 3, Depp loses. They then determine damages.

You forgot the most important fact: is he abusive? If she republished it AND are those 3 statements from article false, then…

If she didn’t republish the article with new info OR if he is an abuser, he loses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So if you approached this trial with a truly open mind, listened to all of the testimony, weighed the evidence presented by both sides and based on that came to the conclusion that you did not believe Ms. Heard you are discrediting ALL victims of DV?

Think that one through. I believe DV is a horrific crime. My heart hurts for any victim of it and I believe that anyone guilty of DV should be punished. That said, each case has to be faced without prejudice for our legal system to work. Every single victim of DV should be heard and they deserve justice, but not everyone who claims DV is telling the truth. That's a sad fact and, as I said, we can't presume anything--we have to weigh the facts of every single case, every single time.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could understand the legal issues at play, listen to this entire trial, come to the conclusion that Johnny Depp is a blameless victim, and not be a misogynist.

Not saying he's a blameless victim but AH is certainly not a blameless victim like she has been portraying herself either

She's not suing him and she didn't decide to air all their dirty laundry across international courtrooms. She wrote a vague op ed that would never have made that much news because it discussed events that had already been widely reported on. Acting like she has launched some large campaign against him is not an accurate reflection of reality. He has in fact dragged her through the mud as loudly and dramatically as possible though, and himself along with her.

She wrote an oped that insinuated he was sexually violent and engaged in marital rape. If someone vaguely accused me of that publicly with no evidence to back it up AND that person had plenty of skeletons in their closet, you bet I’d drag them through the mud and then some.

Well that's fine, but then don't blame them when your life is ruined by the reporting on the trial you instigated rather than the action that made you mad.

His life was not ruined by the trial. It was ruined by her allegations.

His life is not ruined (case in point: will you be able to just casually do a gig with Jeff Beck?). Both of them are attention whores.

Gotta agree on both being attention whores. You can't deny his life was turned upside down by her allegations though. Many people have condemned him for the alleged crimes