Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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I totally agree with PPs about victims not being perfect. I did DV work for several years helping victims obtain TROs. But I’ve never heard of a victim buying a weapon for an abuser. Maybe it happens but I think that is unusual.

I don’t like either of them but I think depp’s case is worthless. In another state he’s he paying her attorneys fees on a slapp motion. I can’t believe the jury is taking this long. I’d be back in five minutes telling them to take this nonsense elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

But that’s not what happened.

She was not defending herself. She was the instigator. If he tried to get away, this made her more angry and she came after him. He had a way of blocking the door when he used the bathroom. The time he didn't she barged in hitting him. It's so odd that we're hearing the same evidence and see it so differently. I grew up in a violent household, not naive about victims.

DP. I guess we will just have to see how the jury comes back. They know the admissible evidence better than any of us.

The problem with this kind of case is the verdict might not reflect what the majority of jurors think. It takes a unanimous verdict to find the defendant guilty. I don't think they'll divulge how the votes went

This isn’t a criminal trial - there is no “guilty.” That aside, the verdict has to be unanimous in either direction. If they cannot unanimously agree that Heard is or is not liable to Depp, or that Depp is or is not liable to Heard, then it will be a hung jury that results in no judgment and the parties will have to decide whether to have a new trial or resolve the dispute through some other means and dismiss the case.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg I got that call too!!! So weird - why do they care about public perception? Why does that even matter?

Because Johnny depp is a deeply weird, deeply petty man.

Weird is being a person who puts poop in a bed.

I never understood how they knew it was AH's... could it have been JD's?
I believe that she said it was a "bad practical joke." And then there was the argument
about whether their dogs could have produced it or were they too small.

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Anonymous wrote:I've listened to most of the trial and I support AH. Seems clear he did a lot of bad stuff he doesn't remember.

I don't understand the self-confidence of someone who spent years abusing drugs and alcohol and yet seems to claim with absolute certainty that he would never do _____ [hit a woman/damage property/harm someone/etc.]. There is plenty of evidence that he did this terrible stuff -- punched out walls, completely destroyed property, scared people (especially women) he was being destructive around that he might hurt them, behave in a generally out of control way, even hit people or things accidentally - on top of testimony about more personal and damaging hitting/violence behind closed doors. He just doesn't want to believe he did this stuff, despite evidence to the contrary, because he doesn't want to be that guy. Isn't it pretty to think so? He needs help and some truth tellers around him who aren't on his payroll.

I agree with all of this, but think it's very telling that he's never taken responsibility for *any* of his behavior including his embarrassing unprofessionalism. He denies he has a substance abuse problem ffs even with photographic evidence! Who could possibly believe a single thing he claims to be true?

The same exact thing can be said about her

I wonder if the jury members are all relatively hard working people who find the Hollywood bad boy bad girl stuff really off putting and stupid to the point that they
dislike both plaintiff and defendant.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg I got that call too!!! So weird - why do they care about public perception? Why does that even matter?

Because Johnny depp is a deeply weird, deeply petty man.

Weird is being a person who puts poop in a bed.

I never understood how they knew it was AH's... could it have been JD's?
I believe that she said it was a "bad practical joke." And then there was the argument
about whether their dogs could have produced it or were they too small.

This has been such a distraction. No pics, no proof it wasn’t the dogs, who apparently were disgusting. This just seemed like an especially graphic example of trying to throw the kitchen sink at Heard to see what would stick.

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Anonymous wrote:I've listened to most of the trial and I support AH. Seems clear he did a lot of bad stuff he doesn't remember.

I don't understand the self-confidence of someone who spent years abusing drugs and alcohol and yet seems to claim with absolute certainty that he would never do _____ [hit a woman/damage property/harm someone/etc.]. There is plenty of evidence that he did this terrible stuff -- punched out walls, completely destroyed property, scared people (especially women) he was being destructive around that he might hurt them, behave in a generally out of control way, even hit people or things accidentally - on top of testimony about more personal and damaging hitting/violence behind closed doors. He just doesn't want to believe he did this stuff, despite evidence to the contrary, because he doesn't want to be that guy. Isn't it pretty to think so? He needs help and some truth tellers around him who aren't on his payroll.

I agree with all of this, but think it's very telling that he's never taken responsibility for *any* of his behavior including his embarrassing unprofessionalism. He denies he has a substance abuse problem ffs even with photographic evidence! Who could possibly believe a single thing he claims to be true?

The same exact thing can be said about her

Except no evidence she is an addict or has ever been unprofessional on set.

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i think (hope) they are deliberating re her counterclaim

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Anonymous wrote:I've listened to most of the trial and I support AH. Seems clear he did a lot of bad stuff he doesn't remember.

I don't understand the self-confidence of someone who spent years abusing drugs and alcohol and yet seems to claim with absolute certainty that he would never do _____ [hit a woman/damage property/harm someone/etc.]. There is plenty of evidence that he did this terrible stuff -- punched out walls, completely destroyed property, scared people (especially women) he was being destructive around that he might hurt them, behave in a generally out of control way, even hit people or things accidentally - on top of testimony about more personal and damaging hitting/violence behind closed doors. He just doesn't want to believe he did this stuff, despite evidence to the contrary, because he doesn't want to be that guy. Isn't it pretty to think so? He needs help and some truth tellers around him who aren't on his payroll.

I agree with all of this, but think it's very telling that he's never taken responsibility for *any* of his behavior including his embarrassing unprofessionalism. He denies he has a substance abuse problem ffs even with photographic evidence! Who could possibly believe a single thing he claims to be true?

The same exact thing can be said about her

Except no evidence she is an addict or has ever been unprofessional on set.

She actually admitted taking drugs a couple of times during the trial. She probably stopped by now and thus - weight gain.

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she's not especially likeable. but they had a relatively short-lived and obviously unhealthy/abusive relationship that was now already some years ago. he has filed this legal charade where he gets to (legally) torture her somewhat and waste 6 weeks of her life. it's amazing how many people want to immediately write her off as clearly also crazy and the issue as clearly being both of them. abusive narcissists can turn one's life upside down and be very vindictive (refusing to let the former partner truly emotionally and mentally move on) years after separation.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone remember Sasha Mitchell and the false allegations from his wife that derailed his career?? I do.

AH did not derail JD’s career - he did that himself. Disney already testified to that.

He did not need to bring this case but coukd have written a counter op Ed with his version of reality. In stead he has dragged himself and AH through the mud in public bringing further pain to himself and families on both sides.

JD has consumed so much drugs and alcohol that it is not possible for him to remember how he behaved when under the influence. He was twice her age when they started dating and yet takes zero responsibility for the toxic relationship.

The level of misogyny on the internet in vilifying AH and casting her as the only reprehensible party makes me afraid for my teenage daughter. For example, the poop in bed episode was misrepresented to be her depraved way of communicating displeasure when it was her incontinent dog.

They are both talented but damaged individuals who hurt each other. I hope they both lose their cases and that both move on with more dignity and respect.

Amber Heard makes me fear for my daughter. Making false claims of abuse sets woman back. I think she belong in jail


Furthermore I have a teacup yorkie. I have bridge to sell you if you think that poop came out of a freaking teacup yorkie. My dogs shit can be picked up with a toothpick

I agree 100%!! People on this forum have not watched and heard the witnesses and evidence. I predict in the future we'll hear more destruction from Amber Heard. I fear very much for her daughter!! She uses children as props for paparazzi. Whitney was beat up by Amber. Whitney feared Amber would kill Johnny.

Whitney is very afraid of Amber. She is the only nonexpert witness willing to come to court on Amber's behalf and her stair story was different from Amber's. Whitney's former boss' testimony contradicts Whitney's. Amber and Whitney lie. You believers will eventually see the truth.

Abuse victims tend to become isolated from their social support networks. That JD had lots of people testifying for him and AH had so few tends to suggest the opposite of what you think it does. Unfortunately your misconception is a prevalent one, so the jury may operate under a similar misapprehension on that point.

I completely understand the isolation of some abuse victims. Amber was not isolated and not a victim. The jury is well aware.

You know he’ll never want to f#ck you, right? Barry legal Russian hookers are more his style these days. He thinks people like you are parasites.

See what I mean? Dismissing anyone that doesn't blindly believe in AH's lies as wanting to f**k JD. Lol. Sorry to break it to you but, unlike YOU, we choose to look at the evidence instead of condemning a person just because he has a penis.

You keep accusing people of sexism without evidence. It’s very transparent.

Your view on women is very transparent as you keep on dismissing people who question AH's claims as dimwits who want in on some action with JD.

Go find a single post where people said only women can be abuse victims. You are the one who dropped in here to throw out this accusation multiple times without any foundation to try to discredit anyone who go disagrees with you.

If you can’t support your accusations, I’ll just go ahead and report them as derailing.

ROFL. Good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:It's weird to me that he did this to clear his name for his kids, yet the second the trial was over he went to London, instead of to spend time with his kids.

Oh, FFS. Get a clue before you run your mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:It's weird to me that he did this to clear his name for his kids, yet the second the trial was over he went to London, instead of to spend time with his kids.

None of this was done for his kids.

The worst thing out of this is that my college age DD just told me that she supports JD! She is full of vitriol towards AH and why? Because she gets her news from the YTU, and we have a young woman exposed to opinions of nasty people and all her friends that are young women too are cheering for the abusive narcissist against the rights of women!
She was his supply, and she refused to take it and gave it back. That is her sin, he is abusing her still. Let us remember who started all the trials. Who is smirking like a looney narc. Is she perfect? No. And the world is using the same Othering of women used for centuries, where if we are not docile and take abuse, we are irrational, histrionic, nasty. To this day, haunted houses show tours in the South where the evil 13 year old slave seduced her master and the mistress punished her, and then she was killed for her sins!! To this day many blame an innocent child for being raped.
I worked with one, had to change jobs, he did the same exact thing. I would say, Mike said this, and I had notes, and he would say, in front of all the staff, I never said that, I never did that. Wanted me to write a report about a missing document that I took somewhere... and when I asked to see the dates I was on vacation the whole week! I was lucky to run away, but he is till running a smear campaign against me.

You are spinning out. Get therapy.

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Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

Oh, please. Of all the gifts that exist in the world, you give the man who’s abusing you a KNIFE? Sorry. No.

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Anonymous wrote:i think (hope) they are deliberating re her counterclaim

I hope they’re deliberating everything, since that’s their responsibility as jurors.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg I got that call too!!! So weird - why do they care about public perception? Why does that even matter?

Because Johnny depp is a deeply weird, deeply petty man.

Weird is being a person who puts poop in a bed.

I never understood how they knew it was AH's... could it have been JD's?
I believe that she said it was a "bad practical joke." And then there was the argument
about whether their dogs could have produced it or were they too small.

This has been such a distraction. No pics, no proof it wasn’t the dogs, who apparently were disgusting. This just seemed like an especially graphic example of trying to throw the kitchen sink at Heard to see what would stick.

How were the dogs disgusting? Everything I heard and read was about the poor dogs shitting in the house often because they weren't let out. That is NOT on the dog, it's on the owners. If you're a famous person or a non-famous person who works long hours you can pay for a dog walker.