Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:I think the judge and jury should split the difference. Both should be required to pay $50M to the county to pay them for wasting the judge, the court and the jury's time for the last 6 weeks. What a horrific waste of taxpayer money.

Heard didn’t file the lawsuit.

But she did file a countersuit which will extend the mess and cost the county more money.

Countersuits are a defensive strategy. Are you saying people who are sued shouldn’t mount a full defense because it might make the trial take longer?

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Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

Maybe, but that doesn’t seem to be what the audio, her actions or the evidence indicate. She comes off as the aggressor and instigator with a past history of assault. Johnnys history of assault extends to hotel rooms.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

Maybe, but that doesn’t seem to be what the audio, her actions or the evidence indicate. She comes off as the aggressor and instigator with a past history of assault. Johnnys history of assault extends to hotel rooms.

Except he lied about her giving him a black eye on their honeymoon, and she has witnesses (non Depp-grifters) who testified to seeing her facial injuries.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

Maybe, but that doesn’t seem to be what the audio, her actions or the evidence indicate. She comes off as the aggressor and instigator with a past history of assault. Johnnys history of assault extends to hotel rooms.

You mean the snippet of audio from the middle of a conversation presented without context (but which Heard explained later)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the judge and jury should split the difference. Both should be required to pay $50M to the county to pay them for wasting the judge, the court and the jury's time for the last 6 weeks. What a horrific waste of taxpayer money.

Heard didn’t file the lawsuit.

But she did file a countersuit which will extend the mess and cost the county more money.

Countersuits are a defensive strategy. Are you saying people who are sued shouldn’t mount a full defense because it might make the trial take longer?

Sorry, I have absolutely no pity or tolerance for two multimillionaire A-list actors (or former A-list actors) waisting a lot of taxpayer money for this type of media circus designed to try and get their names back into the limelight after they've thrown their careers in the toilet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the judge and jury should split the difference. Both should be required to pay $50M to the county to pay them for wasting the judge, the court and the jury's time for the last 6 weeks. What a horrific waste of taxpayer money.

Heard didn’t file the lawsuit.

But she did file a countersuit which will extend the mess and cost the county more money.

Countersuits are a defensive strategy. Are you saying people who are sued shouldn’t mount a full defense because it might make the trial take longer?

Sorry, I have absolutely no pity or tolerance for two multimillionaire A-list actors (or former A-list actors) waisting a lot of taxpayer money for this type of media circus designed to try and get their names back into the limelight after they've thrown their careers in the toilet.

So you think Amber Heard should have rolled over and taken a default judgment against her just to avoid the taxpayer money going to the cost of court operations for Depp’s lawsuit? That’s convenient.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

I am the PP who asked the question and I did google a myriad of relevant words before I asked it because I'm not trying to bash ANY victim, I'm trying to gain a better understanding. I simply couldn't answer why a victim of abuse would buy a weapon for someone who had abused them.

I'm still hoping that someone with DV or IPV training can answer the question because I really would like to understand. I love this site but sometimes they level of bashing instead of educating is very frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

But that’s not what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the judge and jury should split the difference. Both should be required to pay $50M to the county to pay them for wasting the judge, the court and the jury's time for the last 6 weeks. What a horrific waste of taxpayer money.

Heard didn’t file the lawsuit.

But she did file a countersuit which will extend the mess and cost the county more money.

Countersuits are a defensive strategy. Are you saying people who are sued shouldn’t mount a full defense because it might make the trial take longer?

Sorry, I have absolutely no pity or tolerance for two multimillionaire A-list actors (or former A-list actors) waisting a lot of taxpayer money for this type of media circus designed to try and get their names back into the limelight after they've thrown their careers in the toilet.

So you think Amber Heard should have rolled over and taken a default judgment against her just to avoid the taxpayer money going to the cost of court operations for Depp’s lawsuit? That’s convenient.

DP, I say both of them are equally responsible for this mess

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

But that’s not what happened.

She was not defending herself. She was the instigator. If he tried to get away, this made her more angry and she came after him. He had a way of blocking the door when he used the bathroom. The time he didn't she barged in hitting him. It's so odd that we're hearing the same evidence and see it so differently. I grew up in a violent household, not naive about victims.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

But that’s not what happened.

She was not defending herself. She was the instigator. If he tried to get away, this made her more angry and she came after him. He had a way of blocking the door when he used the bathroom. The time he didn't she barged in hitting him. It's so odd that we're hearing the same evidence and see it so differently. I grew up in a violent household, not naive about victims.

DP. I guess we will just have to see how the jury comes back. They know the admissible evidence better than any of us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

But that’s not what happened.

She was not defending herself. She was the instigator. If he tried to get away, this made her more angry and she came after him. He had a way of blocking the door when he used the bathroom. The time he didn't she barged in hitting him. It's so odd that we're hearing the same evidence and see it so differently. I grew up in a violent household, not naive about victims.

DP. I guess we will just have to see how the jury comes back. They know the admissible evidence better than any of us.

The problem with this kind of case is the verdict might not reflect what the majority of jurors think. It takes a unanimous verdict to find the defendant guilty. I don't think they'll divulge how the votes went

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

I am the PP who asked the question and I did google a myriad of relevant words before I asked it because I'm not trying to bash ANY victim, I'm trying to gain a better understanding. I simply couldn't answer why a victim of abuse would buy a weapon for someone who had abused them.

I'm still hoping that someone with DV or IPV training can answer the question because I really would like to understand. I love this site but sometimes they level of bashing instead of educating is very frustrating.

Because they were in a good phase at the moment and she believed him when he said he'd "put the monster away" for good?

[Anonymous]

Johnny’s losing, sorry fans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

I am the PP who asked the question and I did google a myriad of relevant words before I asked it because I'm not trying to bash ANY victim, I'm trying to gain a better understanding. I simply couldn't answer why a victim of abuse would buy a weapon for someone who had abused them.

I'm still hoping that someone with DV or IPV training can answer the question because I really would like to understand. I love this site but sometimes they level of bashing instead of educating is very frustrating.

Because they were in a good phase at the moment and she believed him when he said he'd "put the monster away" for good?

This is not what Amber and her psychologist, Dr. Hughes said.