Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Appropriate consequences.

Good for Florida. Why do protesters think they can do things like block traffic and hijack buildings without consequences? Not very bright. Especially the LGBTQ contingent, who actually think they have friends in Gaza. Talk about clueless…

So you think protesting the killing of children and civilians and disrupting traffic is worthy of a punishment of sending someone to be bombed to death or starved to death or death by disease. Cause that is all that is happening in Gaza right now.

Talk about demented. Some of you are as bad as Hamas in your deviancy.

You are ignorant beyond belief. Surely there’s a highway you need to be blocking somewhere? For some reason?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

This is insane. And I say this as a moderate Democrat with no ties to Israel. Crap like above makes me strongly pro-Israel even if I wasn’t before, because you sound like an antisemitic lunatic.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and MIT suspended dozens of students today after several warnings. The protesters persisted with their encampments and hate-filled sloganeering. So the schools finally took action - eviction from housing, barred from campus, no exams, no graduation for seniors and grad students. Some of the suspensions will likely turn into expulsions as they did at Vanderbilt. In any event, the affected protesters will have their lives altered - from jobs to grad school to income to visas. Guess they'll have time now to globalize the intifada.

Excellent. Good for those schools. Guess the administrations finally caught on that same people were sick of them allowing the inmates to run the asylum.

Good news for those who will (hopefully) be expelled - Iran is offering scholarships! I imagine these ex-students would be thrilled to live under jihad.

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-shiraz-protesters-palestinian-1896011

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*some people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

This is insane. And I say this as a moderate Democrat with no ties to Israel. Crap like above makes me strongly pro-Israel even if I wasn’t before, because you sound like an antisemitic lunatic.

Oh please, pretending you’re not 10 knuckles deep into pro-Israel ideology isn’t fooling anyone. Mossad does exactly what you bolded daily. Again … daily. Costumes, false flag operations, impersonations, etc. It’s standard SOP and even they don’t deny it. But you do.

Israel intentionally bombed the USS Liberty over and over again, and then denied it despite overwhelming evidence that they knowingly killed those sailors. Israel manufactured the false evidence of WMDs in Iraq and then goaded us into that quagmire of a war, for obvious self-serving reasons. They lie about every single IDF atrocity. Wouldn’t even know where to begin with the IDF dishonesty.

If you believe anything coming out of Israel these days, you’re just a gullible chump. There’s a reason that it’s common knowledge not to trust Israelis, and if you’re not familiar with that rule, you’re either uninformed or you’re lying.

The pro-Israel provocateurs in these college campus protest / counter-protest conflicts did exactly that … FFS, there are videos of Jewish antagonists forcing their way into the middle of protests at Columbia and UCLA, pretending to be with the protesters, screaming actual anti-semitic slurs and trying to exhort others to join in, only to be booed.

Wake TF up. Nobody paying attention buys your make believe shock at these accusations based on fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Calling them "bigoted" is kind, IMO.
I can think of many other words for these idiots.

Disgusting.

Jerry Seinfeld had every right to be there, he did a fine job with his speech. Protesters had every right to disagree with him and walkout, just because they don’t like what Seinfeld stands for doesn’t make them antisemitic or whatever. Also, he can support Israel as much as he wants, it’s a free country. Both side are good in this case.

Don't be obtuse. Seinfeld is not a player in international affairs. He has no role whatsoever in the conflict in Gaza. Do students walk out on Oprah because of her opinions on dieting? No they do not. The Duke students walked out because Jerry Seinfeld is a Jew - not because they object to the Netanyahu government's approach to Gaza. For progressive students, Jews are the enemy. They are making that abundantly clear.

That’s not true and you are parroting inane gibberish. No sane person has a problem with him being Jewish, they may have a problem with what his wife and him supported at UCLA. Actions have consequences, not everyone is supposed to like him or agree with him, that’s life.

They said never again, which we’re now learning means never again can you criticize someone who is Jewish without being labeled an anti-semite, never again can you criticize Israel without being labeled an anti-semite, and never again can you even protest against Israel’s policies and actions without being labeled an anti-semite. And if a Jewish person wants to interfere with your constitutional rights by walking through your assembly for purposes of exercising your freedom of speech, you must allow them to do so or else you are anti-semitic and the cops should show up with live ammo to stop you.

Those aren’t “assemblies” - they were organized camps intended to aggressively exclude others.

If you don’t agree with the basis for the protest, guess what? You’re not entitled to join the protest and disrupt it and derail it to suit your desires. Do you not understand constitutional law?

Exercising one’s right to assembly and to free speech doesn’t require you to provide equal airtime to some dipshit whose entire aim is to interfere with your exercising of YOUR rights.

Good god, some exceptionally entitled morons on duty tonight.

DP.

Your “constitutional law” point is actually incorrect.

Protesters have no right to physically exclude others from public spaces or from private spaces owned by third parties.

Being correct = a prerequisite to being haughty and condescending.

Tell us more about how others have a right to forcefully deprive others of their rights in the course of entering such spaces, Professor Conlaw.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

This is insane. And I say this as a moderate Democrat with no ties to Israel. Crap like above makes me strongly pro-Israel even if I wasn’t before, because you sound like an antisemitic lunatic.

DP

Are you taking the position that Israel is trustworthy and doesn’t engage in these kinds of deceptions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and MIT suspended dozens of students today after several warnings. The protesters persisted with their encampments and hate-filled sloganeering. So the schools finally took action - eviction from housing, barred from campus, no exams, no graduation for seniors and grad students. Some of the suspensions will likely turn into expulsions as they did at Vanderbilt. In any event, the affected protesters will have their lives altered - from jobs to grad school to income to visas. Guess they'll have time now to globalize the intifada.

+1 about time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and MIT suspended dozens of students today after several warnings. The protesters persisted with their encampments and hate-filled sloganeering. So the schools finally took action - eviction from housing, barred from campus, no exams, no graduation for seniors and grad students. Some of the suspensions will likely turn into expulsions as they did at Vanderbilt. In any event, the affected protesters will have their lives altered - from jobs to grad school to income to visas. Guess they'll have time now to globalize the intifada.

Can they do so legally?
I suspect that a lawsuit is on its way, the protests have been largely peaceful, legal
ACLU will probably take up their cause

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard and MIT suspended dozens of students today after several warnings. The protesters persisted with their encampments and hate-filled sloganeering. So the schools finally took action - eviction from housing, barred from campus, no exams, no graduation for seniors and grad students. Some of the suspensions will likely turn into expulsions as they did at Vanderbilt. In any event, the affected protesters will have their lives altered - from jobs to grad school to income to visas. Guess they'll have time now to globalize the intifada.

Can they do so legally?
I suspect that a lawsuit is on its way, the protests have been largely peaceful, legal
ACLU will probably take up their cause

Why not? One does not have to be violent to break rules and laws.
If these students refused to leave encampments when directed - if they violated campus rules - if they prevented others from accessing public parts of campus - they violated rules. Just like someone who violates the honor code. No violence, but violations, nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

Thank you, MIT and Harvard. Actions have consequences. Maybe the students can set up a tent on their front lawns when they go home to live with mom and dad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard and MIT suspended dozens of students today after several warnings. The protesters persisted with their encampments and hate-filled sloganeering. So the schools finally took action - eviction from housing, barred from campus, no exams, no graduation for seniors and grad students. Some of the suspensions will likely turn into expulsions as they did at Vanderbilt. In any event, the affected protesters will have their lives altered - from jobs to grad school to income to visas. Guess they'll have time now to globalize the intifada.

Can they do so legally?
I suspect that a lawsuit is on its way, the protests have been largely peaceful, legal
ACLU will probably take up their cause

A protest is one thing. An encampment is another. Normal people don't take over a space indefinitely without any concern for others' needs. Encampments are not helping people in Gaza and they are not helping the students who are participating in them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and MIT suspended dozens of students today after several warnings. The protesters persisted with their encampments and hate-filled sloganeering. So the schools finally took action - eviction from housing, barred from campus, no exams, no graduation for seniors and grad students. Some of the suspensions will likely turn into expulsions as they did at Vanderbilt. In any event, the affected protesters will have their lives altered - from jobs to grad school to income to visas. Guess they'll have time now to globalize the intifada.

Can they do so legally?
I suspect that a lawsuit is on its way, the protests have been largely peaceful, legal
ACLU will probably take up their cause

Why not? One does not have to be violent to break rules and laws.
If these students refused to leave encampments when directed - if they violated campus rules - if they prevented others from accessing public parts of campus - they violated rules. Just like someone who violates the honor code. No violence, but violations, nonetheless.

You are confusing, right to protest and right to strike and right to free speech is guaranteed
some access to parts of campus during the legal protest was restricted is not a violation of honor code
These protests have been largely peaceful and the students were within their rights

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard and MIT suspended dozens of students today after several warnings. The protesters persisted with their encampments and hate-filled sloganeering. So the schools finally took action - eviction from housing, barred from campus, no exams, no graduation for seniors and grad students. Some of the suspensions will likely turn into expulsions as they did at Vanderbilt. In any event, the affected protesters will have their lives altered - from jobs to grad school to income to visas. Guess they'll have time now to globalize the intifada.

Can they do so legally?
I suspect that a lawsuit is on its way, the protests have been largely peaceful, legal
ACLU will probably take up their cause

Why not? One does not have to be violent to break rules and laws.
If these students refused to leave encampments when directed - if they violated campus rules - if they prevented others from accessing public parts of campus - they violated rules. Just like someone who violates the honor code. No violence, but violations, nonetheless.

You are confusing, right to protest and right to strike and right to free speech is guaranteed
some access to parts of campus during the legal protest was restricted is not a violation of honor code
These protests have been largely peaceful and the students were within their rights

I am not confusing anything.
The right to free speech does not mean you can restrict the movement and rights of others.
They have no "guaranteed" right to free speech or assembly when they are violating school rules by creating encampments.
These students believe they can take any action, as long as it is not violent, couch it under the "right to free speech," and be free from consequences.
That is not how it works.

[Anonymous]

With graduation in the next weeks I suspect most of the protesters will go home and have to work so no more time to protest. At UVM protesters succeeded in getting this demand met to change out Keynote speaker. Then they graduated and went home.

There will be a handful ready to disrupt the Dem convention but they’ll mostly be professional protesters. Hopefully by then the war has curbed, or Bibi steps down or something gives to end the war.