Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:Sharing another gifted Atlantic article that will probably be too long for blood libel-endorsing PPs' brainwashed zombie attention spans:

Listen to What They’re Chanting
A close look at the words being shouted at protests on campuses across the country reveals why some see the pro-Palestinian cause as so threatening.

By Judith Shulevitz


https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2024/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-chants/678321/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_MnocJ8N2Est_Q-pcQusmqc&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Also, this CNN article nailed it:

Opinion: The antisemitic lie at the heart of too many campus protests
Opinion by Frida Ghitis
9 minute read
Published 12:24 PM EDT, Tue May 7, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/opinions/columbia-university-israel-campus-protests-antisemitism-ghitis/index.html

But I don't expect most posters to submit to a 9-minute read... prove me wrong, guys?

I read it. Everything in it is something I've read before. It did not change my mind. We shouldn't use the word "genocide" in relation to the Palestinians. Fine. I've never used the word personally. Both sides are not acting in good faith and both sides are being failed by their leaders. I just don't believe more children should die. I don't think that makes me an anti-semite or pro-Hamas.

It does make you pro-Hamas because if Hamas is not defeated soundly the violence against both Jews and Gazan human shields will continue. Put your pressure where it belongs. "Ceasefire" doesn't actually mean peace. It means capitulation to terrorists and a license for them to continue to their program of death for anyone who stands in the way of their quest for dominance.

How do you define “soundly defeated”? How does one defeat a non-conventional military force embedded in a civilian population? Terrorist groups are like hydra, headed monsters. Cut off one head and another one will grow in its place. It is easier said than done to “defeat” them. Meanwhile, more children are dying.

People like to say that terrorist groups are hydras. That makes for vivid imagery. But it turns out, you *can* kill, demoralize, and render impotent a terrorist organization. There are many defunct terrorist organizations. They are not demons, they are people, and they need resources and human capital to survive.

Great. Please give us examples of where this has happened successfully.

Both Al-Qaeda and ISIS have been effectively destroyed. Of course there are still remnants, but they are relatively impotent and inconsequential. The same thing will happen with Hamas. The key is to kill them all, which no doubt will happen with time. No one in Syria and Iraq misses the terror inflicted by ISIS. And no one in Gaza will miss Hamas when they are gone - except some American college students apparently.

Senile boomerdom at its most delusional.

Really winning hearts and minds with the ageism

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That poster is no doubt one of the college protesters who actually thinks most Americans agree with them. Talk about delusional...

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Anonymous wrote:Calling them "bigoted" is kind, IMO.
I can think of many other words for these idiots.

Disgusting.

Jerry Seinfeld had every right to be there, he did a fine job with his speech. Protesters had every right to disagree with him and walkout, just because they don’t like what Seinfeld stands for doesn’t make them antisemitic or whatever. Also, he can support Israel as much as he wants, it’s a free country. Both side are good in this case.

Don't be obtuse. Seinfeld is not a player in international affairs. He has no role whatsoever in the conflict in Gaza. Do students walk out on Oprah because of her opinions on dieting? No they do not. The Duke students walked out because Jerry Seinfeld is a Jew - not because they object to the Netanyahu government's approach to Gaza. For progressive students, Jews are the enemy. They are making that abundantly clear.

That’s not true and you are parroting inane gibberish. No sane person has a problem with him being Jewish, they may have a problem with what his wife and him supported at UCLA. Actions have consequences, not everyone is supposed to like him or agree with him, that’s life.

They said never again, which we’re now learning means never again can you criticize someone who is Jewish without being labeled an anti-semite, never again can you criticize Israel without being labeled an anti-semite, and never again can you even protest against Israel’s policies and actions without being labeled an anti-semite. And if a Jewish person wants to interfere with your constitutional rights by walking through your assembly for purposes of exercising your freedom of speech, you must allow them to do so or else you are anti-semitic and the cops should show up with live ammo to stop you.

Those aren’t “assemblies” - they were organized camps intended to aggressively exclude others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Calling them "bigoted" is kind, IMO.
I can think of many other words for these idiots.

Disgusting.

Jerry Seinfeld had every right to be there, he did a fine job with his speech. Protesters had every right to disagree with him and walkout, just because they don’t like what Seinfeld stands for doesn’t make them antisemitic or whatever. Also, he can support Israel as much as he wants, it’s a free country. Both side are good in this case.

Don't be obtuse. Seinfeld is not a player in international affairs. He has no role whatsoever in the conflict in Gaza. Do students walk out on Oprah because of her opinions on dieting? No they do not. The Duke students walked out because Jerry Seinfeld is a Jew - not because they object to the Netanyahu government's approach to Gaza. For progressive students, Jews are the enemy. They are making that abundantly clear.

That’s not true and you are parroting inane gibberish. No sane person has a problem with him being Jewish, they may have a problem with what his wife and him supported at UCLA. Actions have consequences, not everyone is supposed to like him or agree with him, that’s life.

They said never again, which we’re now learning means never again can you criticize someone who is Jewish without being labeled an anti-semite, never again can you criticize Israel without being labeled an anti-semite, and never again can you even protest against Israel’s policies and actions without being labeled an anti-semite. And if a Jewish person wants to interfere with your constitutional rights by walking through your assembly for purposes of exercising your freedom of speech, you must allow them to do so or else you are anti-semitic and the cops should show up with live ammo to stop you.

JFC, you have serious issues.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:STOP the killing. No one cares what anti or pro anyone is. Just stop!

"The killing" you are probably referencing is a defensive war started in response to a massacre. If you stop pursuing the people who massacred your people and who swear to do it again and again, that doesn't actually stop the killing.

And if you are telling Jews we have no right to defend ourselves, there really is a word for you.

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Unbelievable that this has to be explained, over and over. Also so telling that those calling for a "ceasefire" aren't demanding it of Hamas. In fact, they're making NO demands of Hamas - the terrorists who massacred innocent Israelis on Oct. 7.

I’m not sure if you are the same person who periodically posts that calling for a ceasefire makes no demand on Hamas. That is absolutely untrue. Ceasefire means both parties lay down arms. Hamas has said they are willi to do this and have also said their militant arm is willing to disburse. What is disingenuous is when Israel (and the Biden Admin) say Hamas has turn down a ceasefire deal when the “deal” is a “temporary ceasefire” which is not a ceasefire but a pause in fighting.

Please cite your source for the bolded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

You sound like a robot. Did AI write that for you? Why are American students supporting the Middle Eastern countries that treat women like doo-doo and make them hide their bodies/ hair in hot tents

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Follow the money: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/people-setting-america-on-fire-soros-tides-wespac

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Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

You sound like a robot. Did AI write that for you? Why are American students supporting the Middle Eastern countries that treat women like doo-doo and make them hide their bodies/ hair in hot tents

Not to mention, why are LGBTQ students supporting a society that would like them dead? Are they seriously unaware of this fact?
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

You sound like a robot. Did AI write that for you? Why are American students supporting the Middle Eastern countries that treat women like doo-doo and make them hide their bodies/ hair in hot tents

Not to mention, why are LGBTQ students supporting a society that would like them dead? Are they seriously unaware of this fact?
DP

Agree!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Calling them "bigoted" is kind, IMO.
I can think of many other words for these idiots.

Disgusting.

Jerry Seinfeld had every right to be there, he did a fine job with his speech. Protesters had every right to disagree with him and walkout, just because they don’t like what Seinfeld stands for doesn’t make them antisemitic or whatever. Also, he can support Israel as much as he wants, it’s a free country. Both side are good in this case.

Don't be obtuse. Seinfeld is not a player in international affairs. He has no role whatsoever in the conflict in Gaza. Do students walk out on Oprah because of her opinions on dieting? No they do not. The Duke students walked out because Jerry Seinfeld is a Jew - not because they object to the Netanyahu government's approach to Gaza. For progressive students, Jews are the enemy. They are making that abundantly clear.

That’s not true and you are parroting inane gibberish. No sane person has a problem with him being Jewish, they may have a problem with what his wife and him supported at UCLA. Actions have consequences, not everyone is supposed to like him or agree with him, that’s life.

They said never again, which we’re now learning means never again can you criticize someone who is Jewish without being labeled an anti-semite, never again can you criticize Israel without being labeled an anti-semite, and never again can you even protest against Israel’s policies and actions without being labeled an anti-semite. And if a Jewish person wants to interfere with your constitutional rights by walking through your assembly for purposes of exercising your freedom of speech, you must allow them to do so or else you are anti-semitic and the cops should show up with live ammo to stop you.

Those aren’t “assemblies” - they were organized camps intended to aggressively exclude others.

If you don’t agree with the basis for the protest, guess what? You’re not entitled to join the protest and disrupt it and derail it to suit your desires. Do you not understand constitutional law?

Exercising one’s right to assembly and to free speech doesn’t require you to provide equal airtime to some dipshit whose entire aim is to interfere with your exercising of YOUR rights.

Good god, some exceptionally entitled morons on duty tonight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Calling them "bigoted" is kind, IMO.
I can think of many other words for these idiots.

Disgusting.

Jerry Seinfeld had every right to be there, he did a fine job with his speech. Protesters had every right to disagree with him and walkout, just because they don’t like what Seinfeld stands for doesn’t make them antisemitic or whatever. Also, he can support Israel as much as he wants, it’s a free country. Both side are good in this case.

Don't be obtuse. Seinfeld is not a player in international affairs. He has no role whatsoever in the conflict in Gaza. Do students walk out on Oprah because of her opinions on dieting? No they do not. The Duke students walked out because Jerry Seinfeld is a Jew - not because they object to the Netanyahu government's approach to Gaza. For progressive students, Jews are the enemy. They are making that abundantly clear.

That’s not true and you are parroting inane gibberish. No sane person has a problem with him being Jewish, they may have a problem with what his wife and him supported at UCLA. Actions have consequences, not everyone is supposed to like him or agree with him, that’s life.

They said never again, which we’re now learning means never again can you criticize someone who is Jewish without being labeled an anti-semite, never again can you criticize Israel without being labeled an anti-semite, and never again can you even protest against Israel’s policies and actions without being labeled an anti-semite. And if a Jewish person wants to interfere with your constitutional rights by walking through your assembly for purposes of exercising your freedom of speech, you must allow them to do so or else you are anti-semitic and the cops should show up with live ammo to stop you.

JFC, you have serious issues.
DP

DP

The truth hurts, but no need to take the lord’s name in vain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. Appropriate consequences.

Good for Florida. Why do protesters think they can do things like block traffic and hijack buildings without consequences? Not very bright. Especially the LGBTQ contingent, who actually think they have friends in Gaza. Talk about clueless…

So you think protesting the killing of children and civilians and disrupting traffic is worthy of a punishment of sending someone to be bombed to death or starved to death or death by disease. Cause that is all that is happening in Gaza right now.

Talk about demented. Some of you are as bad as Hamas in your deviancy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

This is insane. And I say this as a moderate Democrat with no ties to Israel. Crap like above makes me strongly pro-Israel even if I wasn’t before, because you sound like an antisemitic lunatic.

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Anonymous wrote:Sharing another gifted Atlantic article that will probably be too long for blood libel-endorsing PPs' brainwashed zombie attention spans:

Listen to What They’re Chanting
A close look at the words being shouted at protests on campuses across the country reveals why some see the pro-Palestinian cause as so threatening.

By Judith Shulevitz


https://www.theatlantic.com/books/archive/2024/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-chants/678321/?gift=mg7b1AqRHrzgE279scHT_MnocJ8N2Est_Q-pcQusmqc&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

Also, this CNN article nailed it:

Opinion: The antisemitic lie at the heart of too many campus protests
Opinion by Frida Ghitis
9 minute read
Published 12:24 PM EDT, Tue May 7, 2024

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/07/opinions/columbia-university-israel-campus-protests-antisemitism-ghitis/index.html

But I don't expect most posters to submit to a 9-minute read... prove me wrong, guys?

I read it. Everything in it is something I've read before. It did not change my mind. We shouldn't use the word "genocide" in relation to the Palestinians. Fine. I've never used the word personally. Both sides are not acting in good faith and both sides are being failed by their leaders. I just don't believe more children should die. I don't think that makes me an anti-semite or pro-Hamas.

It does make you pro-Hamas because if Hamas is not defeated soundly the violence against both Jews and Gazan human shields will continue. Put your pressure where it belongs. "Ceasefire" doesn't actually mean peace. It means capitulation to terrorists and a license for them to continue to their program of death for anyone who stands in the way of their quest for dominance.

How do you define “soundly defeated”? How does one defeat a non-conventional military force embedded in a civilian population? Terrorist groups are like hydra, headed monsters. Cut off one head and another one will grow in its place. It is easier said than done to “defeat” them. Meanwhile, more children are dying.

People like to say that terrorist groups are hydras. That makes for vivid imagery. But it turns out, you *can* kill, demoralize, and render impotent a terrorist organization. There are many defunct terrorist organizations. They are not demons, they are people, and they need resources and human capital to survive.

Great. Please give us examples of where this has happened successfully.

Both Al-Qaeda and ISIS have been effectively destroyed. Of course there are still remnants, but they are relatively impotent and inconsequential. The same thing will happen with Hamas. The key is to kill them all, which no doubt will happen with time. No one in Syria and Iraq misses the terror inflicted by ISIS. And no one in Gaza will miss Hamas when they are gone - except some American college students apparently.

Senile boomerdom at its most delusional.

Again with the reliance on vicious ageism when you can’t respond substantively.

- not a boomer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Calling them "bigoted" is kind, IMO.
I can think of many other words for these idiots.

Disgusting.

Jerry Seinfeld had every right to be there, he did a fine job with his speech. Protesters had every right to disagree with him and walkout, just because they don’t like what Seinfeld stands for doesn’t make them antisemitic or whatever. Also, he can support Israel as much as he wants, it’s a free country. Both side are good in this case.

Don't be obtuse. Seinfeld is not a player in international affairs. He has no role whatsoever in the conflict in Gaza. Do students walk out on Oprah because of her opinions on dieting? No they do not. The Duke students walked out because Jerry Seinfeld is a Jew - not because they object to the Netanyahu government's approach to Gaza. For progressive students, Jews are the enemy. They are making that abundantly clear.

That’s not true and you are parroting inane gibberish. No sane person has a problem with him being Jewish, they may have a problem with what his wife and him supported at UCLA. Actions have consequences, not everyone is supposed to like him or agree with him, that’s life.

They said never again, which we’re now learning means never again can you criticize someone who is Jewish without being labeled an anti-semite, never again can you criticize Israel without being labeled an anti-semite, and never again can you even protest against Israel’s policies and actions without being labeled an anti-semite. And if a Jewish person wants to interfere with your constitutional rights by walking through your assembly for purposes of exercising your freedom of speech, you must allow them to do so or else you are anti-semitic and the cops should show up with live ammo to stop you.

Those aren’t “assemblies” - they were organized camps intended to aggressively exclude others.

If you don’t agree with the basis for the protest, guess what? You’re not entitled to join the protest and disrupt it and derail it to suit your desires. Do you not understand constitutional law?

Exercising one’s right to assembly and to free speech doesn’t require you to provide equal airtime to some dipshit whose entire aim is to interfere with your exercising of YOUR rights.

Good god, some exceptionally entitled morons on duty tonight.

DP.

Your “constitutional law” point is actually incorrect.

Protesters have no right to physically exclude others from public spaces or from private spaces owned by third parties.

Being correct = a prerequisite to being haughty and condescending.

[Anonymous]

Harvard and MIT suspended dozens of students today after several warnings. The protesters persisted with their encampments and hate-filled sloganeering. So the schools finally took action - eviction from housing, barred from campus, no exams, no graduation for seniors and grad students. Some of the suspensions will likely turn into expulsions as they did at Vanderbilt. In any event, the affected protesters will have their lives altered - from jobs to grad school to income to visas. Guess they'll have time now to globalize the intifada.