Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

Israeli using drone strikes to kill Hamas targets in the wake of 10/7 completely understandable. Killing 35k, more than 10k, blowing of limbs of thousands more = not ok.

Hamas constructed itself to be embedded among regular people. They are the ones who designed it so that ordinary Gazans would be killed. This is what they want.

I'm not saying it's right to do. I'm saying this isn't Israel's design. It's Hamas's.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Palestinians elected their government and are protecting Hamas. That is the difference. If a terrorist attack on Americans happened in let’s say France the French government would work to find and oust the terrorist group and cooperate with the US. The Palestinians seem to welcome their actions. There was no Palestinian government apology or offer to work with Israel to find Hamas and bring justice to the situation. That’s how they ended up in war.

It’s been said that over 60% of Gaza’s population wasn’t even born yet (or of the age to vote) the last time an election was held. It’s also been said, credibly, that the ones who were alive and of voting age at the time of the last election were faced with what amounted to a non-democratic process that was endorsed by both Israel and the U.S.

I mean, these people are refugees. I don’t think there is enough official government apparatus that could even extend an apology or offer to help, right?

This brings a new question. For how long and for how many generations can a group of people be considered refugees? Do you consider every Palestinian a refugee? If 60% of the population was not alive during the election these people , even if underage are not really refugees especially if they are seeking to become a legitimate country and are multiple generations after the so called Nakba.

The refugee status persists because Israel is unwilling to extend full citizenship rights to these indigenous people and they are unwilling to emigrate from their homeland.

That’s why a resolution of some kind is eventually going to be necessary, either a truly democratic one-state solution or a two-state solution where the Palestinian state is afforded more independence than Israel has ever been willing to recognize in past talks.

There are only four paths, the latter two obviously grim and unacceptable to reasonable minds: one-state, two-state, Palestinian genocide, or Israeli genocide.

I mean, can't imagine why Israel doesn't want to turn the only Jewish homeland in the world into a place where the biggest population is people who want them dead. Really boggles the mind!

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Anonymous wrote:How is it "unsafe" in America for jewish students today? Talk about being thin skinned.

I encourage you to think about what it was like to be brown in America in the years after 2001, or even more damningly, Black in the south as the net tightened in the Jim Crow South. Or hell, to be black today.

Jewish people have it great in America. There is some nonsense being spouted by brainwashed college students (let's call this "rabble-rousing" anti-semitism since the river-to-the-sea'ers have no idea what they're actually saying). But really, "actionable" anti-semitism is a non-entity in 2024 in America.

Sorry the antisemitism isn’t more actionable as you put it for you to think it’s serious. The number of antisemitic incidents both on Jewish students and other Jews has risen dramatically.

Actually the number of antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents have both risen and are just about the same in terms of volume. We should care about both. Not just one.

While both should be addressed Islamophobic incidents rose by 216% and antisemitic incidents rose 388%. The antisemitic incidents are almost double Islamophobic incidents since 10/7. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitism-islamophobia-surge-in-2023-watchdogs-say/7407451.html

The 388% increase you noted is from the ADL.

After 10/7, the ADL revised their criteria on determining antisemitic incidents to include rallies that include:

"expressions of anti-Zionism such as the phrases “Zionism is terrorism,” or “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,”
https://www.adl.org/resources/news/explainer-adls-methodology-gathering-and-reporting-antisemitic-incident-data

Yes, antisemitism is a problem, but ADL is conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism in their stats.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it "unsafe" in America for jewish students today? Talk about being thin skinned.

I encourage you to think about what it was like to be brown in America in the years after 2001, or even more damningly, Black in the south as the net tightened in the Jim Crow South. Or hell, to be black today.

Jewish people have it great in America. There is some nonsense being spouted by brainwashed college students (let's call this "rabble-rousing" anti-semitism since the river-to-the-sea'ers have no idea what they're actually saying). But really, "actionable" anti-semitism is a non-entity in 2024 in America.

Sorry the antisemitism isn’t more actionable as you put it for you to think it’s serious. The number of antisemitic incidents both on Jewish students and other Jews has risen dramatically.

Actually the number of antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents have both risen and are just about the same in terms of volume. We should care about both. Not just one.

While both should be addressed Islamophobic incidents rose by 216% and antisemitic incidents rose 388%. The antisemitic incidents are almost double Islamophobic incidents since 10/7. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitism-islamophobia-surge-in-2023-watchdogs-say/7407451.html

The 388% increase you noted is from the ADL.

After 10/7, the ADL revised their criteria on determining antisemitic incidents to include rallies that include:

"expressions of anti-Zionism such as the phrases “Zionism is terrorism,” or “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,”
https://www.adl.org/resources/news/explainer-adls-methodology-gathering-and-reporting-antisemitic-incident-data

Yes, antisemitism is a problem, but ADL is conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism in their stats.

those lying jews, amirite?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.instagram.com/reel/C676Ou_u_hP/?igsh=MXI2emhiN2luaHZyZg==

Lizzo just weighed in…and a gay activist provides a fabulous critique.

Maybe she didn't like it when a mob taunted a pro-Palestinian protester with shouts of "Lizzo" at Ole Miss.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/ole-miss-opens-conduct-investigation-protest-confrontation-rcna150764

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Palestinians elected their government and are protecting Hamas. That is the difference. If a terrorist attack on Americans happened in let’s say France the French government would work to find and oust the terrorist group and cooperate with the US. The Palestinians seem to welcome their actions. There was no Palestinian government apology or offer to work with Israel to find Hamas and bring justice to the situation. That’s how they ended up in war.

It’s been said that over 60% of Gaza’s population wasn’t even born yet (or of the age to vote) the last time an election was held. It’s also been said, credibly, that the ones who were alive and of voting age at the time of the last election were faced with what amounted to a non-democratic process that was endorsed by both Israel and the U.S.

I mean, these people are refugees. I don’t think there is enough official government apparatus that could even extend an apology or offer to help, right?

This brings a new question. For how long and for how many generations can a group of people be considered refugees? Do you consider every Palestinian a refugee? If 60% of the population was not alive during the election these people , even if underage are not really refugees especially if they are seeking to become a legitimate country and are multiple generations after the so called Nakba.

The refugee status persists because Israel is unwilling to extend full citizenship rights to these indigenous people and they are unwilling to emigrate from their homeland.

That’s why a resolution of some kind is eventually going to be necessary, either a truly democratic one-state solution or a two-state solution where the Palestinian state is afforded more independence than Israel has ever been willing to recognize in past talks.

There are only four paths, the latter two obviously grim and unacceptable to reasonable minds: one-state, two-state, Palestinian genocide, or Israeli genocide.

I mean, can't imagine why Israel doesn't want to turn the only Jewish homeland in the world into a place where the biggest population is people who want them dead. Really boggles the mind!

You mean return land that was stolen?

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American students brutalized and American doctors left to starve to death. The legacy of a nihilistic power class.

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Anonymous wrote:You are responding to multiple people. I am the one who thinks its ghoulish to taunt that a 16 year old went "splat" next to his father. I think people who pine for the days of the war on terror when the American government targeted Americans with drone strikes are absolutely terrifying.

I don't support Hamas. I don't support genocide. I have never said an antisemitic word in my life. I do support Americans right to free speech, peaceful protest, and ability to criticize our government or any other government. You are the one who gets to live with your frothing mad rhetoric.

Maybe it's not just rhetoric. Maybe it's PTSD. Did you go to Iraq? I'm sorry for the things our soldiers were asked to do.

DP. Wow. Someone who could write the above has no claim to being a moral person whatsoever.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it "unsafe" in America for jewish students today? Talk about being thin skinned.

I encourage you to think about what it was like to be brown in America in the years after 2001, or even more damningly, Black in the south as the net tightened in the Jim Crow South. Or hell, to be black today.

Jewish people have it great in America. There is some nonsense being spouted by brainwashed college students (let's call this "rabble-rousing" anti-semitism since the river-to-the-sea'ers have no idea what they're actually saying). But really, "actionable" anti-semitism is a non-entity in 2024 in America.

Sorry the antisemitism isn’t more actionable as you put it for you to think it’s serious. The number of antisemitic incidents both on Jewish students and other Jews has risen dramatically.

Actually the number of antisemitic and Islamophobic incidents have both risen and are just about the same in terms of volume. We should care about both. Not just one.

While both should be addressed Islamophobic incidents rose by 216% and antisemitic incidents rose 388%. The antisemitic incidents are almost double Islamophobic incidents since 10/7. https://www.voanews.com/amp/antisemitism-islamophobia-surge-in-2023-watchdogs-say/7407451.html

The 388% increase you noted is from the ADL.

After 10/7, the ADL revised their criteria on determining antisemitic incidents to include rallies that include:

"expressions of anti-Zionism such as the phrases “Zionism is terrorism,” or “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,”
https://www.adl.org/resources/news/explainer-adls-methodology-gathering-and-reporting-antisemitic-incident-data

Yes, antisemitism is a problem, but ADL is conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism in their stats.

those lying jews, amirite?

No. I didn't say anything about Jewish people or lying.

I am pointing out that the ADL has specifically said they include antisemitic incidents differently after 10/7 and now include rallies that have anti-zionism phrases. If they count each rally that has anti-zionism phrasing, then that would be a quite a few incidents that they classify as antisemitism.

Jonathan Greenblatt, the ceo of ADL, has said “anti-Zionism is antisemitism”.

He has also compared wearing a keffiyeh to wearing a swastika.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Palestinians elected their government and are protecting Hamas. That is the difference. If a terrorist attack on Americans happened in let’s say France the French government would work to find and oust the terrorist group and cooperate with the US. The Palestinians seem to welcome their actions. There was no Palestinian government apology or offer to work with Israel to find Hamas and bring justice to the situation. That’s how they ended up in war.

It’s been said that over 60% of Gaza’s population wasn’t even born yet (or of the age to vote) the last time an election was held. It’s also been said, credibly, that the ones who were alive and of voting age at the time of the last election were faced with what amounted to a non-democratic process that was endorsed by both Israel and the U.S.

I mean, these people are refugees. I don’t think there is enough official government apparatus that could even extend an apology or offer to help, right?

This brings a new question. For how long and for how many generations can a group of people be considered refugees? Do you consider every Palestinian a refugee? If 60% of the population was not alive during the election these people , even if underage are not really refugees especially if they are seeking to become a legitimate country and are multiple generations after the so called Nakba.

The refugee status persists because Israel is unwilling to extend full citizenship rights to these indigenous people and they are unwilling to emigrate from their homeland.

That’s why a resolution of some kind is eventually going to be necessary, either a truly democratic one-state solution or a two-state solution where the Palestinian state is afforded more independence than Israel has ever been willing to recognize in past talks.

There are only four paths, the latter two obviously grim and unacceptable to reasonable minds: one-state, two-state, Palestinian genocide, or Israeli genocide.

I mean, can't imagine why Israel doesn't want to turn the only Jewish homeland in the world into a place where the biggest population is people who want them dead. Really boggles the mind!

You mean return land that was stolen?

All land was stolen. Get over it.

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Anonymous wrote:American students brutalized and American doctors left to starve to death. The legacy of a nihilistic power class.

Surely Biden will do something?

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Palestinians elected their government and are protecting Hamas. That is the difference. If a terrorist attack on Americans happened in let’s say France the French government would work to find and oust the terrorist group and cooperate with the US. The Palestinians seem to welcome their actions. There was no Palestinian government apology or offer to work with Israel to find Hamas and bring justice to the situation. That’s how they ended up in war.

It’s been said that over 60% of Gaza’s population wasn’t even born yet (or of the age to vote) the last time an election was held. It’s also been said, credibly, that the ones who were alive and of voting age at the time of the last election were faced with what amounted to a non-democratic process that was endorsed by both Israel and the U.S.

I mean, these people are refugees. I don’t think there is enough official government apparatus that could even extend an apology or offer to help, right?

This brings a new question. For how long and for how many generations can a group of people be considered refugees? Do you consider every Palestinian a refugee? If 60% of the population was not alive during the election these people , even if underage are not really refugees especially if they are seeking to become a legitimate country and are multiple generations after the so called Nakba.

The refugee status persists because Israel is unwilling to extend full citizenship rights to these indigenous people and they are unwilling to emigrate from their homeland.

That’s why a resolution of some kind is eventually going to be necessary, either a truly democratic one-state solution or a two-state solution where the Palestinian state is afforded more independence than Israel has ever been willing to recognize in past talks.

There are only four paths, the latter two obviously grim and unacceptable to reasonable minds: one-state, two-state, Palestinian genocide, or Israeli genocide.

I mean, can't imagine why Israel doesn't want to turn the only Jewish homeland in the world into a place where the biggest population is people who want them dead. Really boggles the mind!

You mean return land that was stolen?

All land was stolen. Get over it.

You could say the same to zionists

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Anonymous wrote:American students brutalized and American doctors left to starve to death. The legacy of a nihilistic power class.

Surely Biden will do something?

He is trying. Hamas has agreed to return hostages and a cease fire. Netanyahu has rejected repeatedly, because he needs the war to stay in power.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Palestinians elected their government and are protecting Hamas. That is the difference. If a terrorist attack on Americans happened in let’s say France the French government would work to find and oust the terrorist group and cooperate with the US. The Palestinians seem to welcome their actions. There was no Palestinian government apology or offer to work with Israel to find Hamas and bring justice to the situation. That’s how they ended up in war.

It’s been said that over 60% of Gaza’s population wasn’t even born yet (or of the age to vote) the last time an election was held. It’s also been said, credibly, that the ones who were alive and of voting age at the time of the last election were faced with what amounted to a non-democratic process that was endorsed by both Israel and the U.S.

I mean, these people are refugees. I don’t think there is enough official government apparatus that could even extend an apology or offer to help, right?

This brings a new question. For how long and for how many generations can a group of people be considered refugees? Do you consider every Palestinian a refugee? If 60% of the population was not alive during the election these people , even if underage are not really refugees especially if they are seeking to become a legitimate country and are multiple generations after the so called Nakba.

The refugee status persists because Israel is unwilling to extend full citizenship rights to these indigenous people and they are unwilling to emigrate from their homeland.

That’s why a resolution of some kind is eventually going to be necessary, either a truly democratic one-state solution or a two-state solution where the Palestinian state is afforded more independence than Israel has ever been willing to recognize in past talks.

There are only four paths, the latter two obviously grim and unacceptable to reasonable minds: one-state, two-state, Palestinian genocide, or Israeli genocide.

I mean, can't imagine why Israel doesn't want to turn the only Jewish homeland in the world into a place where the biggest population is people who want them dead. Really boggles the mind!

Why would anyone living in Ramallah or Bethlehem possibly have a vendetta against the Israelis?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

Israeli using drone strikes to kill Hamas targets in the wake of 10/7 completely understandable. Killing 35k, more than 10k, blowing of limbs of thousands more = not ok.

Hamas constructed itself to be embedded among regular people. They are the ones who designed it so that ordinary Gazans would be killed. This is what they want.

I'm not saying it's right to do. I'm saying this isn't Israel's design. It's Hamas's.

So Hamas is holding the Palestinians down while Israel kills them. Teamwork makes the dream work.