Protests on college campuses

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Oh. That's easy. You can easily separate combatants and noncombatants. Well, it's not easy but Israel is doing a bang up job. It's complicated by the fact that many Palestinians refuse to leave. Think New Orleans right before Hurricane Katrina. You can urge people, you can demand, but you really can't force people en mass.

I wouldn't take the maximalist read of what I wrote and apply it to all pro Israel people. I've literally gone overseas and participated in anti terror operations. Meaning, I'm completely at ease with killing terrorists. Lots of job satisfaction-- you know you make a difference in the world. Because those people have already forfeited their right to life. I'm also in favor of harsh criminal justice, limiting capital punishment appeals, and canings for lesser felonies. In other words, I'm just really comfortable with violence that protects the peace.

Not at odds with your final points re: dealing with terrorists, generally, but admittedly find considerable disagreement with the idea of leaving it to the executioner to make the decision that non-combatants are fair game because of x, y, or z.

What incentive exists for Israel to maintain a level of integrity around these human shield claims, the hiding in hospitals and schools claims, etc.? Similarly, what consequence exists if they are caught lying about those claims to justify indiscriminate killing? In both cases, I think, the answer is “none”.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it "unsafe" in America for jewish students today? Talk about being thin skinned.

I encourage you to think about what it was like to be brown in America in the years after 2001, or even more damningly, Black in the south as the net tightened in the Jim Crow South. Or hell, to be black today.

Jewish people have it great in America. There is some nonsense being spouted by brainwashed college students (let's call this "rabble-rousing" anti-semitism since the river-to-the-sea'ers have no idea what they're actually saying). But really, "actionable" anti-semitism is a non-entity in 2024 in America.

"Jewish people have it great" he says during a dramatic spike in global antisemitism...

Oh stop being melodramatic, Jewish people have it really good, in such a terrible conflict if there are sporadic incidents of antisemitism it’s not too bad say compared to the Palestinian kids buried under the rubble. Let’s count our blessings.

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Anonymous wrote:There are obviously strong feelings against these protesters. I would challenge those that feel that this way to consider WHY. Why do these students feel so strongly that they are risking their own suspensions? Is it that they are evil? dumb? If you think objectively, neither is the case. Why do they trigger you so strongly? Instead of criticizing them on an anonymous message board, isn't it better to understand where they are coming from and if they have any legitimate points that should be considered? The fact that the protests have continued so long on some many very different college campus is enough that people shouldn't dismiss them.

What does "trigger" mean?

In this context I meant that there are so many posts calling the protesters dumb, stupid, pawns, entitled without any substantive backing. So the protests seem to trigger something in these folks that make them instantly react negatively. To me, I think it’s very interesting that the college protesters feel strong enough about this issue to risk suspension/explusion/arrest.

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Anonymous wrote:Are there bad apples in the protest group? Sure. Do they outnumber those protesting for the right reasons? Of course not. Does their presence diminish the purpose or legitimacy of the protest? Again, of course not.

Even if you tried to argue that their presence did diminish, in any way, the legitimacy of the protest, Israel has such a vibrant, lengthy reputation for cosplaying other groups through false flag operations to achieve its own goals that it would be impossible to discount ANY protest, no matter how much it might be disagreeable. That’s what happens when one side operates without integrity. Nothing they say is believed without extraordinary investigation, follow-up, and analysis because of their track record.

This is insane. And I say this as a moderate Democrat with no ties to Israel. Crap like above makes me strongly pro-Israel even if I wasn’t before, because you sound like an antisemitic lunatic.

Oh please, pretending you’re not 10 knuckles deep into pro-Israel ideology isn’t fooling anyone. Mossad does exactly what you bolded daily. Again … daily. Costumes, false flag operations, impersonations, etc. It’s standard SOP and even they don’t deny it. But you do.

Israel intentionally bombed the USS Liberty over and over again, and then denied it despite overwhelming evidence that they knowingly killed those sailors. Israel manufactured the false evidence of WMDs in Iraq and then goaded us into that quagmire of a war, for obvious self-serving reasons. They lie about every single IDF atrocity. Wouldn’t even know where to begin with the IDF dishonesty.

If you believe anything coming out of Israel these days, you’re just a gullible chump. There’s a reason that it’s common knowledge not to trust Israelis, and if you’re not familiar with that rule, you’re either uninformed or you’re lying.

The pro-Israel provocateurs in these college campus protest / counter-protest conflicts did exactly that … FFS, there are videos of Jewish antagonists forcing their way into the middle of protests at Columbia and UCLA, pretending to be with the protesters, screaming actual anti-semitic slurs and trying to exhort others to join in, only to be booed.

Wake TF up. Nobody paying attention buys your make believe shock at these accusations based on fact.

You are convincing more and more people that Israel is right every time you write. You are a vile antisemite. I am someone who has joined pro-Palestine protests over the years (peaceful ones) and I cannot be on the same side as someone like you. I read the garbled, incoherent nonsense you wrote and I want nothing to do with it.

Unfortunately for you, most normal Americans feel like me. You are losing the war for public opinion badly. People like you are why these protests are wildly unpopular in the US. You turn people pro-Israel every time you open your mouth.

Oh, the “It’s your words that are shoving me into the arms of full-throated defense of genocide” card? How corny.

Just to summarize your pearl clutching outrage for others: When you see a reaction like this one, know that a nerve has been hit and the side committing and defending this century’s genocide is scrambling and desperate to denounce what’s been said to *hopefully* chase others away from reading it and considering it.

Eye roll. Different poster and when I see a response like yours, I think there is some crazed loser behind a keyboard who has no understanding of the history of the Palestinian conflict or the two state solutions they rejected in the past.

And you are a staunch pro-Israel loser no matter what they do, no matter what atrocities they commit. So it should come as little surprise that I think the same of you. However, unlike you, I don’t allow my personal connection to the conflict cloud my calling of balls and strikes.

Readers who aren’t already virulent racist pro-Israel goons like you can tell the difference, and they get it. They know you aren’t impartial. And there are more and more of them every day.

What does staunchly pro Israel even mean? That I believe in its right to exist? Sure. But I disagree with a lot of their politics the same way I disagreed with a lot of trumps actions. To you, anyone that thinks Israel has a right to live in peace (forget if I’m pro two state solution, anti settlement, whatever) is some evil, maniacal Zionist. Let me tell you sir, I’m not the lunatic here.

By the way, I guess I’m also staunchly pro America since apparently believing in a sovereign country’s right to exist and defend itself makes it so. Please make my eyes stop rolling!

Not the PP you were responding to but to me being pro Israel means thinking their response in Gaza is fine. I don’t. So I am anti Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Oh. That's easy. You can easily separate combatants and noncombatants. Well, it's not easy but Israel is doing a bang up job. It's complicated by the fact that many Palestinians refuse to leave. Think New Orleans right before Hurricane Katrina. You can urge people, you can demand, but you really can't force people en mass.

I wouldn't take the maximalist read of what I wrote and apply it to all pro Israel people. I've literally gone overseas and participated in anti terror operations. Meaning, I'm completely at ease with killing terrorists. Lots of job satisfaction-- you know you make a difference in the world. Because those people have already forfeited their right to life. I'm also in favor of harsh criminal justice, limiting capital punishment appeals, and canings for lesser felonies. In other words, I'm just really comfortable with violence that protects the peace.

Not at odds with your final points re: dealing with terrorists, generally, but admittedly find considerable disagreement with the idea of leaving it to the executioner to make the decision that non-combatants are fair game because of x, y, or z.

What incentive exists for Israel to maintain a level of integrity around these human shield claims, the hiding in hospitals and schools claims, etc.? Similarly, what consequence exists if they are caught lying about those claims to justify indiscriminate killing? In both cases, I think, the answer is “none”.

It's not up to the executioner. Lawyers make the determination. Even in Iraq, when the US was there, we'd have lawyers review the "case" and determine if they can be killed. You'd be surprised how often they said no.

I think both Israel and Hamas should be held accountable for war crimes, if they commit them. I notice you're going to completely ignore the part where Hamas committed a war crime by putting their HQ in the basement on the hospital. In the eyes of international law, they are the culpable party when the civilians got killed. The Geneva Convention is a really great thing and reduces human suffering when applied. So I take no issue with any fair criticism of Isreal, but I can't abide holding only one side to the agreement. I believe Palestine should be free, but Hamas is their oppressor.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it "unsafe" in America for jewish students today? Talk about being thin skinned.

I encourage you to think about what it was like to be brown in America in the years after 2001, or even more damningly, Black in the south as the net tightened in the Jim Crow South. Or hell, to be black today.

Jewish people have it great in America. There is some nonsense being spouted by brainwashed college students (let's call this "rabble-rousing" anti-semitism since the river-to-the-sea'ers have no idea what they're actually saying). But really, "actionable" anti-semitism is a non-entity in 2024 in America.

"Jewish people have it great" he says during a dramatic spike in global antisemitism...

Oh stop being melodramatic, Jewish people have it really good, in such a terrible conflict if there are sporadic incidents of antisemitism it’s not too bad say compared to the Palestinian kids buried under the rubble. Let’s count our blessings.

Ah, whataboutism has entered the chat. Antisemitism is bad. Kids in rubble is bad. Those two things can both be bad. Their bad-ness is not relative to the other.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Oh. That's easy. You can easily separate combatants and noncombatants. Well, it's not easy but Israel is doing a bang up job. It's complicated by the fact that many Palestinians refuse to leave. Think New Orleans right before Hurricane Katrina. You can urge people, you can demand, but you really can't force people en mass.

I wouldn't take the maximalist read of what I wrote and apply it to all pro Israel people. I've literally gone overseas and participated in anti terror operations. Meaning, I'm completely at ease with killing terrorists. Lots of job satisfaction-- you know you make a difference in the world. Because those people have already forfeited their right to life. I'm also in favor of harsh criminal justice, limiting capital punishment appeals, and canings for lesser felonies. In other words, I'm just really comfortable with violence that protects the peace.

Not at odds with your final points re: dealing with terrorists, generally, but admittedly find considerable disagreement with the idea of leaving it to the executioner to make the decision that non-combatants are fair game because of x, y, or z.

What incentive exists for Israel to maintain a level of integrity around these human shield claims, the hiding in hospitals and schools claims, etc.? Similarly, what consequence exists if they are caught lying about those claims to justify indiscriminate killing? In both cases, I think, the answer is “none”.

Oh also. On your very last point. We don't have to take Israel’s word on this stuff. We have the best intelligence agencies in the world. They aren't sitting around waiting for Netanyahu to tell them the blow by blow.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it "unsafe" in America for jewish students today? Talk about being thin skinned.

I encourage you to think about what it was like to be brown in America in the years after 2001, or even more damningly, Black in the south as the net tightened in the Jim Crow South. Or hell, to be black today.

Jewish people have it great in America. There is some nonsense being spouted by brainwashed college students (let's call this "rabble-rousing" anti-semitism since the river-to-the-sea'ers have no idea what they're actually saying). But really, "actionable" anti-semitism is a non-entity in 2024 in America.

"Jewish people have it great" he says during a dramatic spike in global antisemitism...

Oh stop being melodramatic, Jewish people have it really good, in such a terrible conflict if there are sporadic incidents of antisemitism it’s not too bad say compared to the Palestinian kids buried under the rubble. Let’s count our blessings.

Ah, whataboutism has entered the chat. Antisemitism is bad. Kids in rubble is bad. Those two things can both be bad. Their bad-ness is not relative to the other.

Victim hierarchy must be reinforced.

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Lizzo just weighed in…and a gay activist provides a fabulous critique.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Oh. That's easy. You can easily separate combatants and noncombatants. Well, it's not easy but Israel is doing a bang up job. It's complicated by the fact that many Palestinians refuse to leave. Think New Orleans right before Hurricane Katrina. You can urge people, you can demand, but you really can't force people en mass.

I wouldn't take the maximalist read of what I wrote and apply it to all pro Israel people. I've literally gone overseas and participated in anti terror operations. Meaning, I'm completely at ease with killing terrorists. Lots of job satisfaction-- you know you make a difference in the world. Because those people have already forfeited their right to life. I'm also in favor of harsh criminal justice, limiting capital punishment appeals, and canings for lesser felonies. In other words, I'm just really comfortable with violence that protects the peace.

Not at odds with your final points re: dealing with terrorists, generally, but admittedly find considerable disagreement with the idea of leaving it to the executioner to make the decision that non-combatants are fair game because of x, y, or z.

What incentive exists for Israel to maintain a level of integrity around these human shield claims, the hiding in hospitals and schools claims, etc.? Similarly, what consequence exists if they are caught lying about those claims to justify indiscriminate killing? In both cases, I think, the answer is “none”.

It's not up to the executioner. Lawyers make the determination. Even in Iraq, when the US was there, we'd have lawyers review the "case" and determine if they can be killed. You'd be surprised how often they said no.

I think both Israel and Hamas should be held accountable for war crimes, if they commit them. I notice you're going to completely ignore the part where Hamas committed a war crime by putting their HQ in the basement on the hospital. In the eyes of international law, they are the culpable party when the civilians got killed. The Geneva Convention is a really great thing and reduces human suffering when applied. So I take no issue with any fair criticism of Isreal, but I can't abide holding only one side to the agreement. I believe Palestine should be free, but Hamas is their oppressor.

I'm also of the mind of holding both parties to the law. But no, I don't think you posses superpowers to "notice" what I'll do in the future. How would you notice how I would react to a post that I had not even seen yet?

Anyway, was the basement in the hospital claim even proven, though? I think the last I had heard, it was mocked out of the news cycle as staged photos showing l2 - 3 firearms and an Israeli officer impersonating a nurse, making claims that were roundly debunked. Did that not happen? Does 2 - 3 guns constitute a command center? I'm seriously asking these questions - am I supposed to believe those claims, or was there more? Is there additional information, vetted for accuracy by independent third parties, that I'm unaware of?

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

DP

That response demonstrates that there is no mercy in the pro-Israel perspective, including for innocent non-combatants like newborn infants. Given that, it seems really odd that pro-Israel posters expect others to rush to their defense in the face of what they claim are their own existential threats. If they think others are trying to annihilate them, by their own logic, so what?

I don’t agree with that logic, but what am I missing that you find those two conflicting views acceptable? “We can kill all of them because we argue that combatants cannot be separated from non-combatants, but they’re trying to annihilate us!”

Oh. That's easy. You can easily separate combatants and noncombatants. Well, it's not easy but Israel is doing a bang up job. It's complicated by the fact that many Palestinians refuse to leave. Think New Orleans right before Hurricane Katrina. You can urge people, you can demand, but you really can't force people en mass.

I wouldn't take the maximalist read of what I wrote and apply it to all pro Israel people. I've literally gone overseas and participated in anti terror operations. Meaning, I'm completely at ease with killing terrorists. Lots of job satisfaction-- you know you make a difference in the world. Because those people have already forfeited their right to life. I'm also in favor of harsh criminal justice, limiting capital punishment appeals, and canings for lesser felonies. In other words, I'm just really comfortable with violence that protects the peace.

Not at odds with your final points re: dealing with terrorists, generally, but admittedly find considerable disagreement with the idea of leaving it to the executioner to make the decision that non-combatants are fair game because of x, y, or z.

What incentive exists for Israel to maintain a level of integrity around these human shield claims, the hiding in hospitals and schools claims, etc.? Similarly, what consequence exists if they are caught lying about those claims to justify indiscriminate killing? In both cases, I think, the answer is “none”.

Oh also. On your very last point. We don't have to take Israel’s word on this stuff. We have the best intelligence agencies in the world. They aren't sitting around waiting for Netanyahu to tell them the blow by blow.

Didn't our intelligence agencies accept whole cloth the WMD claims that were manufactured by Israel, spoon fed to us, and used as the justification for OIF?

And didn't those claims turned out to be entirely baseless?

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Anonymous wrote:You are responding to multiple people. I am the one who thinks its ghoulish to taunt that a 16 year old went "splat" next to his father. I think people who pine for the days of the war on terror when the American government targeted Americans with drone strikes are absolutely terrifying.

I don't support Hamas. I don't support genocide. I have never said an antisemitic word in my life. I do support Americans right to free speech, peaceful protest, and ability to criticize our government or any other government. You are the one who gets to live with your frothing mad rhetoric.

Maybe it's not just rhetoric. Maybe it's PTSD. Did you go to Iraq? I'm sorry for the things our soldiers were asked to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I miss Obama era progressives, who understood how to deal with terrorists. By droning them into little splatters.

Remember when Obama ordered a drone hit on American Anwar al Awlaki? He was the son of a PhD Fulbright scholar. He went to GWU, like a lot of the pro-Hamas protestors. He died in a splat next to his 16 year old son, who was also American. And then his branch of al Qaeda atrophied and no one thinks about them anymore. It's hard to even remember that stuff. I suspect that some of these campus Hamas losers will go the same way. And inshallah they will meet the same fate, if they do.

+1. I feel like I am going insane watching people try to justify letting Hamas (and other terrorist organizations) recruit on our college campuses and convert our young students to their radical Islamic worldview.

Pretty horrifying to celebrate the killing of a child, no matter who's son he was. You are a ghoul. I also don't celebrate government killing of Americans through drone strikes.

I'm the pp that wrote about how the left used to drone terrorists all the time, blasting terrorist a$$ into next week. I'm not the one expressing shock at how college students are now terrorist sympathizers.

It's good that you think I'm a ghoul. Remember that most of GenX and above are all about killing terrorists. If they don't want their teenage kids killed, they shouldn't launch attacks. It's that simple. Terrorists use murder and violence to try to defeat their enemies. You're okay with Hamas doing it because you think it's a righteous cause to murder families to punish Israel. We aren't required to be pacifists. Hamas hates us. We need to crush them now while they are weak. I think Israel is being far too cautious and protective of Palestinians. They should rain fire in the skies until there is nothing, but peace.

OK, so you support genocide. Thanks for clarifying.

You call it genocide, I call it justice.

DP

Killing babies in NICU units constitutes justice? For whom?

Hamas deliberately set up its operational HQ in the basement of a hospital because they know that Israel would blink, that they would not want to bomb the hospital. And they did issue warnings for several days that they were going to bomb the hospital so people would leave.

Hamas does this stuff on purpose because they want to exploit our sense of what's right and just. And this is who Palestinians voted in to office. They choose to be represented by people who expose their NICU babies to danger by using them as shields.

What's fascinating is that it is Hamas who violated the Geneva Convention protocols, not Israel. Militaries are expressly prohibited from using civilians as shields. But once they do, its within bounds to attack them and the civilians are collateral damage.

This is not genocide. Turnabout is fairplay, even if it's dirty business. War is hell, it's kind of bizarre to me that college protestors don't expect that war creates casualties. Most likely we are headed to war in the Middle East, possibly the South China Sea and/or Europe. These young people are the people who will fight it, and they are going to find out that the rule of war is that you kill or be killed.

Don't be so sure. Political distrust is sky high. Media propaganda is broken by the internet, and will be rendered less effective still by AI deep fakes. You will see protests and civil disobedience like you've never seen before if our corrupt geriatric politicians embroil us in a hot war. No one will comply with a draft. We will throw those politicians out of office.

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Anonymous wrote:You are responding to multiple people. I am the one who thinks its ghoulish to taunt that a 16 year old went "splat" next to his father. I think people who pine for the days of the war on terror when the American government targeted Americans with drone strikes are absolutely terrifying.

I don't support Hamas. I don't support genocide. I have never said an antisemitic word in my life. I do support Americans right to free speech, peaceful protest, and ability to criticize our government or any other government. You are the one who gets to live with your frothing mad rhetoric.

Maybe it's not just rhetoric. Maybe it's PTSD. Did you go to Iraq? I'm sorry for the things our soldiers were asked to do.

Not the PP but I do think there are trauma responses from both pro-Israelis and Palestinians going on right now. I attended a photo exhibit at a library in a neighboring NH town. The 20 or so photos consisted of 5 Palestinians (mainly faces, certainly not holding guns or anything) and landscapes of ruined buildings. There was a short paragraph explaining the exhibit that stated the photos were of Palestinians who were displaced during the Nakba and houses / towns impacted. This exhibited has been vehemently protested as antisemitic. Since there was nothing anti anything said in the exhibit or photos I don’t see any trace of antisemitism but it has made me wonder about the influence of collective Jewish trauma. Biologically a trauma response does unite a “fight or flight” response and the tendency to have this response more easily triggered can be passed down from parent to child.

I wish people who are convinced the protests are hateful and antisemitic can take a pause and really look to see if that is the case or if their trauma response is being triggered and they need to heal.

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Anonymous wrote:The “hunger strikers” in Princeton — I cannot in good conscience use the term without scare quotes — are now doing their hunger striking in shifts for health reasons.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/princeton-universi...-anti-081421803.html

A satirist could not make this up.

intermittent fasting isn't easy! just ask the diet forum.