Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HAHA. Just saw the ACLU is demanding JD to pay them $86,253.26 for wasting their time to produce all the records and expenses on Amber's Pledge.

I still don’t understand how these pledges are relevant to the case.

I think it was twofold. To establish that she has a history of lying and that she really did want the money, so I guess More about lying

[Anonymous]

What question did the jury ask?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HAHA. Just saw the ACLU is demanding JD to pay them $86,253.26 for wasting their time to produce all the records and expenses on Amber's Pledge.

I still don’t understand how these pledges are relevant to the case.

I think it was twofold. To establish that she has a history of lying and that she really did want the money, so I guess More about lying

Something has to have set the foundation for that, though. You’re not allowed to introduce prior bad acts as evidence of the separate alleged bad acts without further foundation for how it is relevant/privatize of whether she committed these specific alleged bad acts of defaming Depp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HAHA. Just saw the ACLU is demanding JD to pay them $86,253.26 for wasting their time to produce all the records and expenses on Amber's Pledge.

I still don’t understand how these pledges are relevant to the case.

I think it was twofold. To establish that she has a history of lying and that she really did want the money, so I guess More about lying

Something has to have set the foundation for that, though. You’re not allowed to introduce prior bad acts as evidence of the separate alleged bad acts without further foundation for how it is relevant/privatize of whether she committed these specific alleged bad acts of defaming Depp.

Legally I have no idea. But I know that is what was conveyed to the both the jury and court of public opinion. I think Amber heard herself either open the door or testify about it which made it admissible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What question did the jury ask?

The question related to Finding Instruction C, which relates to the op-ed's online headline, and specifically asked whether question (3) (whether the statement was false) was asking about just the headline, or about the entire op-ed. The judge's response was that the questions went specifically to the headline, not to the rest of the op-ed. If we want to read tea leaves on that, I think there are a number of different ways the question could be interpreted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What question did the jury ask?

The question related to Finding Instruction C, which relates to the op-ed's online headline, and specifically asked whether question (3) (whether the statement was false) was asking about just the headline, or about the entire op-ed. The judge's response was that the questions went specifically to the headline, not to the rest of the op-ed. If we want to read tea leaves on that, I think there are a number of different ways the question could be interpreted.

I remain puzzled by this issue, given the discrepancy between the op-ed and the headline.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

There are victims and then there is Amber Heard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What question did the jury ask?

The question related to Finding Instruction C, which relates to the op-ed's online headline, and specifically asked whether question (3) (whether the statement was false) was asking about just the headline, or about the entire op-ed. The judge's response was that the questions went specifically to the headline, not to the rest of the op-ed. If we want to read tea leaves on that, I think there are a number of different ways the question could be interpreted.

I remain puzzled by this issue, given the discrepancy between the op-ed and the headline.

Puzzled by which issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She did a lot of recording. Why is there none of him being abusive to her?

I'm not a lawyer and won't guess at the outcome. However, I hope people in general realize that men can be victims of DV.

How did the lovely Ms Heard put it? Something about "Go ahead - tell people that Johnny Depp is abused. Who is going to believe you? You're such a baby. I didn't punch you, I hit you."

If he was apparently violent while drunk, why did she pour him a drink when he got home? That makes no sense to me.

Sincere question that I'm hoping someone with DV or IPV training can answer. Why would AH buy JD an engraved knife as a gift after he had abused her?

That's something else that doesn't make sense to me. She seems to have done things that would put her at risk.Why??

Victims are imperfect

This. I wish more people on this thread understood the "perfect victim" fallacy.

DP, but I completely agree. It’s so harmful to abuse victims to perpetuate these stereotypes because all they do is let abusers get away with their abuse.

The arrogance of them also really bugs me. Every single person here who questions why an abuse victim wouldn’t do exactly the right thing at every turn has done things wrong at times in their own lives. They’ve made bad judgment calls or acted out of fear/anxiety rather than rational logic, but in their own minds their mistakes are justified and excusable. But they don’t show nearly the level of compassion or empathy to others that they expect to be shown to them.

So imperfect that she yells "I didn't punch you, I was hitting you" "Tell the world you're a victim, see how many people believe you"

Yes, so imperfect that she may have tried to physically defend herself when he punched her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the judge and jury should split the difference. Both should be required to pay $50M to the county to pay them for wasting the judge, the court and the jury's time for the last 6 weeks. What a horrific waste of taxpayer money.

Heard didn’t file the lawsuit.

But she did file a countersuit which will extend the mess and cost the county more money.