FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But hey, you got yours, right?

DP. I’m in favor of them expanding where the actual needs are (eg, McLean), not them expanding based on faulty projections or for equity needs (not saying that’s centreville or not, I honestly don’t know).

I think what you’re trying to do is pretty slimy. If you aren’t for your kids to be moved, you shouldn’t be salivating to have others kids moved.

There are several hypocrites in this board that are fine sticking it to their neighbors by advocating for changes in other schools. But they’ll join the opponents in pushing back against changes for their own dear Susie.

That’s why I think it is perfectly reasonable to demand that the school board members’ kids get moved as part of this process. Every time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But hey, you got yours, right?

You do realize that most parents had no idea that their kids HS was being expanded and didn't advocate for the schools to be expanded, right? Do you think I wanted my kids school to get even bigger? Renovations are one thing, and I have no problem with the que being adjusted so that schools with larger issues are given priority, but I never asked for mega schools.

I know my kids ES was rennovated and they wanted to expand the number of seats and the school said no. They didn't want to be larger and so that didn't happen. Maybe more people pay attention at ES then HS and are more willing to push back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But hey, you got yours, right?

DP. I’m in favor of them expanding where the actual needs are (eg, McLean), not them expanding based on faulty projections or for equity needs (not [b]saying that’s centreville or not, I honestly don’t know).

I think what you’re trying to do is pretty slimy. If you aren’t for your kids to be moved, you shouldn’t be salivating to have others kids moved.

There are several hypocrites in this board that are fine sticking it to their neighbors by advocating for changes in other schools. But they’ll join the opponents in pushing back against changes for their own dear Susie.

That’s why I think it is perfectly reasonable to demand that the school board members’ kids get moved as part of this process. Every time.

There it is, folks.

I am not advocating for boundary adjustments.

I am pushing back on folks on this board punching down on overcrowded areas in Western Fairfax because they believe it supports their argument against boundary changes to a very specific area. That is slimy. That is selfish.

There is no western high school. The Centreville expansion is necessary.

We all see what you are doing. Stop sacrificing the rest of the county on the alter of your weak arguments.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me why they are focusing on boundaries so much when they could be paying more attention to the schools that most need renovations or additions?

My understanding is they are wasting a lot of money on expanding under enrolled schools (for example in Herndon) and even a new school that isn’t needed in Dunn Loring?!?

If they were scrutinizing these expenditures more carefully wouldn’t some of these boundary changes be unnecessary? I’m not against boundary changes if they are truly necessary but it feels like they are using our kids to cover up their mistakes.

We regret moving to Fairfax and will not be voting for any of these School Board members again.

This current School Board is not the kne that gave Langley, Oakton, Madison, West Springfield, and West Potomac costly and large expansions and renovations. That was the work of many School Boards before this one, when conservative and moderate representatives were on the Board and let the taxpayer waste happen anyway.

Boundaries are the cheapest option, not another renovation and expansion that will cost half a billion as the work on Centreville HS will soon show.

Really? Where are you going to send the kids in Centreville? You are going to end up busing kids cross county. The schools are packed west of Centreville (Westfield), North of Centreville (Chantilly), east of Centreville (Fairfax) and south of Centreville (Robinson). You will get a domino effect that will end up with ridiculous boundaries.

+1. The expansion at Centreville is necessary. There is no mythical Western High School (it does not exist, and apparently never will).

You really think taxpayers should foot the bill to expand Centreville to 3000 seats? 2500 ought to be enough. They are projecting Centreville to lose students and have under 2100 students by 2029, and that projection was made before Trump/DOGE started laying off so many feds.

How much did the expansion at Langley cost?

About $80M and it was expanded to about 2370 seats, not 3000.

And the surrounding population had same density? Same capacity needs?

I’m new to the area so can’t answer that but seems like they could have gone even bigger with all the growth in the Tyson’s area. I also don’t think people are saying don’t do a renovation/expansion at Centreville but 3,000 seats and $300 million seems excessive when the projections are going way down at centreville in the next 5 years (i think someone said 2100 kids). Maybe split that $300 million and expand McLean which is way overdue

[Anonymous]

They are projecting Centreville’s enrollment will decline to under 2100 by 2029. So I still don’t know why they would spend our money to expand it to 3000. You can talk about how the marginal cost of additional seats goes down during a renovation, but it still costs more money that could be put to better use elsewhere and avoid unwanted boundary changes.

If they can articulate a specific long-term vision to use all these additional seats at Centreville (like maybe reassigning all of the current Fairfax island and part of Chantilly there), that might be a conversation worth having. But that conversation hasn’t taken place and instead they are developing scenarios to bridge the Fairfax island to the main Fairfax attendance area by reassigning part of Woodson to Fairfax. Also, the Centreville parents who’ve posted here in the past are generally aghast at the idea of a 3000-student school.

Meanwhile they continue to neglect Chantilly and McLean and offer those schools nothing other than boundary changes (or, in McLean’s case, boundary changes layered on top of boundary changes).

Make it make sense, because all I can see are School Board members who are cowards or asleep at the wheel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But hey, you got yours, right?

DP. I’m in favor of them expanding where the actual needs are (eg, McLean), not them expanding based on faulty projections or for equity needs (not [b]saying that’s centreville or not, I honestly don’t know).

I think what you’re trying to do is pretty slimy. If you aren’t for your kids to be moved, you shouldn’t be salivating to have others kids moved.

There are several hypocrites in this board that are fine sticking it to their neighbors by advocating for changes in other schools. But they’ll join the opponents in pushing back against changes for their own dear Susie.

That’s why I think it is perfectly reasonable to demand that the school board members’ kids get moved as part of this process. Every time.

There it is, folks.

I am not advocating for boundary adjustments.

I am pushing back on folks on this board punching down on overcrowded areas in Western Fairfax because they believe it supports their argument against boundary changes to a very specific area. That is slimy. That is selfish.

There is no western high school. The Centreville expansion is necessary.

We all see what you are doing. Stop sacrificing the rest of the county on the alter of your weak arguments.

Enrollments are projected to decline over the next 10 years or so. I believe last year was the largest Senior class and every year from now on the numbers diminish. Expansions are not needed because by the size of the student population will be below the current school size by the time the expansion is completed. Essentially, the expansions were needed 5 years ago but not now. So yeah, cancel the expansions and save that money. Renovate schools but don't expand them.

The reality is the boundary adjustments were needed 10 years ago to deal with the current overcrowding. The expansions were needed 10 years ago to prevent the overcrowding but the mega schools really are not great for students so boundary adjustments would have been better. Both were kicked down the road because people didn't want to spend the money or shift boundaries for a wide variety of reasons. Now that we are at the start of the declining student population numbers, we are doing both.

The answer is to focus on the boundaries of the over crowded schools and make the shifts needed to take care of those schools. There will be secondary and tertiary effects as kids are moved to reduce the overcrowding but there are good reasons for those moves, as much as the affected parties won't like it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But hey, you got yours, right?

DP. I’m in favor of them expanding where the actual needs are (eg, McLean), not them expanding based on faulty projections or for equity needs (not [b]saying that’s centreville or not, I honestly don’t know).

I think what you’re trying to do is pretty slimy. If you aren’t for your kids to be moved, you shouldn’t be salivating to have others kids moved.

There are several hypocrites in this board that are fine sticking it to their neighbors by advocating for changes in other schools. But they’ll join the opponents in pushing back against changes for their own dear Susie.

That’s why I think it is perfectly reasonable to demand that the school board members’ kids get moved as part of this process. Every time.

There it is, folks.

I am not advocating for boundary adjustments.

I am pushing back on folks on this board punching down on overcrowded areas in Western Fairfax because they believe it supports their argument against boundary changes to a very specific area. That is slimy. That is selfish.

There is no western high school. The Centreville expansion is necessary.

We all see what you are doing. Stop sacrificing the rest of the county on the alter of your weak arguments.

I don’t see anyone saying Centreville shouldn’t be renovated or even expanded to 2500, which is more than they expanded both Marshall and Langley to during their renovations. It’s the expansion to 3000 that seems unjustified and will chew up money that could be put to good use elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But hey, you got yours, right?

DP. I’m in favor of them expanding where the actual needs are (eg, McLean), not them expanding based on faulty projections or for equity needs (not [b]saying that’s centreville or not, I honestly don’t know).

I think what you’re trying to do is pretty slimy. If you aren’t for your kids to be moved, you shouldn’t be salivating to have others kids moved.

There are several hypocrites in this board that are fine sticking it to their neighbors by advocating for changes in other schools. But they’ll join the opponents in pushing back against changes for their own dear Susie.

That’s why I think it is perfectly reasonable to demand that the school board members’ kids get moved as part of this process. Every time.

There it is, folks.

I am not advocating for boundary adjustments.

I am pushing back on folks on this board punching down on overcrowded areas in Western Fairfax because they believe it supports their argument against boundary changes to a very specific area. That is slimy. That is selfish.

There is no western high school. The Centreville expansion is necessary.

We all see what you are doing. Stop sacrificing the rest of the county on the alter of your weak arguments.

Enrollments are projected to decline over the next 10 years or so. I believe last year was the largest Senior class and every year from now on the numbers diminish. Expansions are not needed because by the size of the student population will be below the current school size by the time the expansion is completed. Essentially, the expansions were needed 5 years ago but not now. So yeah, cancel the expansions and save that money. Renovate schools but don't expand them.

The reality is the boundary adjustments were needed 10 years ago to deal with the current overcrowding. The expansions were needed 10 years ago to prevent the overcrowding but the mega schools really are not great for students so boundary adjustments would have been better. Both were kicked down the road because people didn't want to spend the money or shift boundaries for a wide variety of reasons. Now that we are at the start of the declining student population numbers, we are doing both.

The answer is to focus on the boundaries of the over crowded schools and make the shifts needed to take care of those schools. There will be secondary and tertiary effects as kids are moved to reduce the overcrowding but there are good reasons for those moves, as much as the affected parties won't like it.

Ah, so the “suck it and get reassigned” poster did show up. They either got taken care of nicely already with a sweet renovation and expansion, or are hoping to be moved to a different school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are projecting Centreville’s enrollment will decline to under 2100 by 2029. So I still don’t know why they would spend our money to expand it to 3000. You can talk about how the marginal cost of additional seats goes down during a renovation, but it still costs more money that could be put to better use elsewhere and avoid unwanted boundary changes.

If they can articulate a specific long-term vision to use all these additional seats at Centreville (like maybe reassigning all of the current Fairfax island and part of Chantilly there), that might be a conversation worth having. But that conversation hasn’t taken place and instead they are developing scenarios to bridge the Fairfax island to the main Fairfax attendance area by reassigning part of Woodson to Fairfax. Also, the Centreville parents who’ve posted here in the past are generally aghast at the idea of a 3000-student school.

Meanwhile they continue to neglect Chantilly and McLean and offer those schools nothing other than boundary changes (or, in McLean’s case, boundary changes layered on top of boundary changes).

Make it make sense, because all I can see are School Board members who are cowards or asleep at the wheel.

Because the kids they are displacing from Chantilly to fit the 20171 kids who currently go to Oakton need to go somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But hey, you got yours, right?

DP. I’m in favor of them expanding where the actual needs are (eg, McLean), not them expanding based on faulty projections or for equity needs (not [b]saying that’s centreville or not, I honestly don’t know).

I think what you’re trying to do is pretty slimy. If you aren’t for your kids to be moved, you shouldn’t be salivating to have others kids moved.

There are several hypocrites in this board that are fine sticking it to their neighbors by advocating for changes in other schools. But they’ll join the opponents in pushing back against changes for their own dear Susie.

That’s why I think it is perfectly reasonable to demand that the school board members’ kids get moved as part of this process. Every time.

There it is, folks.

I am not advocating for boundary adjustments.

I am pushing back on folks on this board punching down on overcrowded areas in Western Fairfax because they believe it supports their argument against boundary changes to a very specific area. That is slimy. That is selfish.

There is no western high school. The Centreville expansion is necessary.

We all see what you are doing. Stop sacrificing the rest of the county on the alter of your weak arguments.

I’m the poster to whom you are responding and I literally have no clue what “I am trying to do”.

Did you miss the part where I said I have no clue about the centreville situation? You bolded it, but did you F’ing read it?

My point is that anyone who advocates to move other people’s kids while advocating to not move their own is a detestable human being. Pure human garbage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are projecting Centreville’s enrollment will decline to under 2100 by 2029. So I still don’t know why they would spend our money to expand it to 3000. You can talk about how the marginal cost of additional seats goes down during a renovation, but it still costs more money that could be put to better use elsewhere and avoid unwanted boundary changes.

If they can articulate a specific long-term vision to use all these additional seats at Centreville (like maybe reassigning all of the current Fairfax island and part of Chantilly there), that might be a conversation worth having. But that conversation hasn’t taken place and instead they are developing scenarios to bridge the Fairfax island to the main Fairfax attendance area by reassigning part of Woodson to Fairfax. Also, the Centreville parents who’ve posted here in the past are generally aghast at the idea of a 3000-student school.

Meanwhile they continue to neglect Chantilly and McLean and offer those schools nothing other than boundary changes (or, in McLean’s case, boundary changes layered on top of boundary changes).

Make it make sense, because all I can see are School Board members who are cowards or asleep at the wheel.

Because the kids they are displacing from Chantilly to fit the 20171 kids who currently go to Oakton need to go somewhere.

So you’re suggesting they will move enough Oakton kids to Chantilly, and Chantilly kids to Centreville, to justify expanding Centreville to 3000?

That seems like a stretch to me, given that Oakton was also recently expanded. As were Herndon and Madison. Just not to 3000 seats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They are projecting Centreville’s enrollment will decline to under 2100 by 2029. So I still don’t know why they would spend our money to expand it to 3000. You can talk about how the marginal cost of additional seats goes down during a renovation, but it still costs more money that could be put to better use elsewhere and avoid unwanted boundary changes.

If they can articulate a specific long-term vision to use all these additional seats at Centreville (like maybe reassigning all of the current Fairfax island and part of Chantilly there), that might be a conversation worth having. But that conversation hasn’t taken place and instead they are developing scenarios to bridge the Fairfax island to the main Fairfax attendance area by reassigning part of Woodson to Fairfax. Also, the Centreville parents who’ve posted here in the past are generally aghast at the idea of a 3000-student school.

Meanwhile they continue to neglect Chantilly and McLean and offer those schools nothing other than boundary changes (or, in McLean’s case, boundary changes layered on top of boundary changes).

Make it make sense, because all I can see are School Board members who are cowards or asleep at the wheel.

Because the kids they are displacing from Chantilly to fit the 20171 kids who currently go to Oakton need to go somewhere.

So you’re suggesting they will move enough Oakton kids to Chantilly, and Chantilly kids to Centreville, to justify expanding Centreville to 3000?

That seems like a stretch to me, given that Oakton was also recently expanded. As were Herndon and Madison. Just not to 3000 seats.

But, Chantilly is the closest school to those kids. Lots of Chantilly kids live very close to centreville, as well as to Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are projecting Centreville’s enrollment will decline to under 2100 by 2029. So I still don’t know why they would spend our money to expand it to 3000. You can talk about how the marginal cost of additional seats goes down during a renovation, but it still costs more money that could be put to better use elsewhere and avoid unwanted boundary changes.

If they can articulate a specific long-term vision to use all these additional seats at Centreville (like maybe reassigning all of the current Fairfax island and part of Chantilly there), that might be a conversation worth having. But that conversation hasn’t taken place and instead they are developing scenarios to bridge the Fairfax island to the main Fairfax attendance area by reassigning part of Woodson to Fairfax. Also, the Centreville parents who’ve posted here in the past are generally aghast at the idea of a 3000-student school.

Meanwhile they continue to neglect Chantilly and McLean and offer those schools nothing other than boundary changes (or, in McLean’s case, boundary changes layered on top of boundary changes).

Make it make sense, because all I can see are School Board members who are cowards or asleep at the wheel.

Because the kids they are displacing from Chantilly to fit the 20171 kids who currently go to Oakton need to go somewhere.

So you’re suggesting they will move enough Oakton kids to Chantilly, and Chantilly kids to Centreville, to justify expanding Centreville to 3000?

That seems like a stretch to me, given that Oakton was also recently expanded. As were Herndon and Madison. Just not to 3000 seats.

But, Chantilly is the closest school to those kids. Lots of Chantilly kids live very close to centreville, as well as to Chantilly.

Can you just answer the question?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They are projecting Centreville’s enrollment will decline to under 2100 by 2029. So I still don’t know why they would spend our money to expand it to 3000. You can talk about how the marginal cost of additional seats goes down during a renovation, but it still costs more money that could be put to better use elsewhere and avoid unwanted boundary changes.

If they can articulate a specific long-term vision to use all these additional seats at Centreville (like maybe reassigning all of the current Fairfax island and part of Chantilly there), that might be a conversation worth having. But that conversation hasn’t taken place and instead they are developing scenarios to bridge the Fairfax island to the main Fairfax attendance area by reassigning part of Woodson to Fairfax. Also, the Centreville parents who’ve posted here in the past are generally aghast at the idea of a 3000-student school.

Meanwhile they continue to neglect Chantilly and McLean and offer those schools nothing other than boundary changes (or, in McLean’s case, boundary changes layered on top of boundary changes).

Make it make sense, because all I can see are School Board members who are cowards or asleep at the wheel.

Because the kids they are displacing from Chantilly to fit the 20171 kids who currently go to Oakton need to go somewhere.

So you’re suggesting they will move enough Oakton kids to Chantilly, and Chantilly kids to Centreville, to justify expanding Centreville to 3000?

That seems like a stretch to me, given that Oakton was also recently expanded. As were Herndon and Madison. Just not to 3000 seats.

Some Oakton kids live just down the street from Chantilly. But, there is a Fairfax High neighborhood that borders Centreville High school --not the Centreville High School boundary, but , literally Centreville High School property. Look at a map.
It is far more likely that they plan to send those kids to Centreville. And, yes, there are some kids assigned to Chantilly who are equidistant to Centreville.

But, most people just want to stay put where they are. I'm guessing the Oakton people want to stay put, as do the Chantilly people and the Centreville people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are projecting Centreville’s enrollment will decline to under 2100 by 2029. So I still don’t know why they would spend our money to expand it to 3000. You can talk about how the marginal cost of additional seats goes down during a renovation, but it still costs more money that could be put to better use elsewhere and avoid unwanted boundary changes.

If they can articulate a specific long-term vision to use all these additional seats at Centreville (like maybe reassigning all of the current Fairfax island and part of Chantilly there), that might be a conversation worth having. But that conversation hasn’t taken place and instead they are developing scenarios to bridge the Fairfax island to the main Fairfax attendance area by reassigning part of Woodson to Fairfax. Also, the Centreville parents who’ve posted here in the past are generally aghast at the idea of a 3000-student school.

Meanwhile they continue to neglect Chantilly and McLean and offer those schools nothing other than boundary changes (or, in McLean’s case, boundary changes layered on top of boundary changes).

Make it make sense, because all I can see are School Board members who are cowards or asleep at the wheel.

Because the kids they are displacing from Chantilly to fit the 20171 kids who currently go to Oakton need to go somewhere.

So you’re suggesting they will move enough Oakton kids to Chantilly, and Chantilly kids to Centreville, to justify expanding Centreville to 3000?

That seems like a stretch to me, given that Oakton was also recently expanded. As were Herndon and Madison. Just not to 3000 seats.

Some Oakton kids live just down the street from Chantilly. But, there is a Fairfax High neighborhood that borders Centreville High school --not the Centreville High School boundary, but , literally Centreville High School property. Look at a map.
It is far more likely that they plan to send those kids to Centreville. And, yes, there are some kids assigned to Chantilly who are equidistant to Centreville.

But, most people just want to stay put where they are. I'm guessing the Oakton people want to stay put, as do the Chantilly people and the Centreville people.

All of that counsels in favor of a more modest expansion of Centreville.