Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. I said pages back that if the Guthries are lucky her remains will be found one day by a hiker and they’ll have that as closure but that’s about it. She has probably long since died. Whatever the circumstances of her abduction, the police don’t actually know, as usual, and she’s too old to get through it in good health. Police rarely solve these things of the abductee doesn’t miraculously turn up again and tell them who did it like Jaycee Dugard or Elizabeth Smart. They don’t know who killed Jonbenet and she was found in her own house within 12 hours. Nancy is gone and they are unlikely to ever fully know what happened to her.

I think this case will largely be solved in the next several months through extensive data analysis, similar to the DC pipe bomber case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. I said pages back that if the Guthries are lucky her remains will be found one day by a hiker and they’ll have that as closure but that’s about it. She has probably long since died. Whatever the circumstances of her abduction, the police don’t actually know, as usual, and she’s too old to get through it in good health. Police rarely solve these things of the abductee doesn’t miraculously turn up again and tell them who did it like Jaycee Dugard or Elizabeth Smart. They don’t know who killed Jonbenet and she was found in her own house within 12 hours. Nancy is gone and they are unlikely to ever fully know what happened to her.

I think this case will largely be solved in the next several months through extensive data analysis, similar to the DC pipe bomber case.

That took YEARS to solve

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone in Nancy’s inner circle needs to be examined thoroughly then cleared. One can’t make grand assumptions that’s it’s so cruel to question a grieving family. It’s really not. If a child gets a broken arm, the parents are also questioned. It’s part of routine procedure.

They have extensively questioned and cleared her family.

This is being disputed as the Sheriff is relying on lie detector tests which are not admissible in court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No. I said pages back that if the Guthries are lucky her remains will be found one day by a hiker and they’ll have that as closure but that’s about it. She has probably long since died. Whatever the circumstances of her abduction, the police don’t actually know, as usual, and she’s too old to get through it in good health. Police rarely solve these things of the abductee doesn’t miraculously turn up again and tell them who did it like Jaycee Dugard or Elizabeth Smart. They don’t know who killed Jonbenet and she was found in her own house within 12 hours. Nancy is gone and they are unlikely to ever fully know what happened to her.

I think this case will largely be solved in the next several months through extensive data analysis, similar to the DC pipe bomber case.

That took YEARS to solve

My understanding is that there was a dedicated focus to working the data and they were able to solve it within a several months timeframe after that. But admittedly, everyone in Trump's Administration are liars so it's hard to take that at face value.

I do think the techniques that were used in solving that crime could be used in this one and with AI capabilities the analysis can be performed much more quickly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

A lot of th side doors in Tucson are the sliding patio doors which are super easy to break into (it’s just a snap lock and then the doors slide open). My dad always installed a metal cross bar to prevent this. Also that neighborhood is super super dark so it does not surprise me that no neighbor captured anything usable on camera. Would be more likely that they would catch something at th cameras at one of the major intersections near there. But those are also pretty dark. I hate driving there at night because I find the utter blackness terrifying. Tucson historically had light restrictions due to the observatory at Kitt Peak I think.

I was just going to comment something similar about how dark those suburban desert communities are if there isn’t a full moon, and how windy the streets can be. And the houses often back to a canyon or hills or something.

There was a full moon on February 1, 2026, so the night of her disappearance would have been as light as it ever gets.

However, I think it would still be pretty dark and require someone that knows the area well, to find their way to wherever they went to dispose of her body. Or a small chance to stow her away alive.

Regardless of how light or dark it was, most of the homes near her are on 1+ acres and are set back, with lots of vegetation in the front yard. So house cameras are not going to pick up cars driving by.

I heard a local say the easiest place to dispose of a body would be to roll it off a cliff on Mount Lemmon, about an hour away.

I lived at the base of mount Lemmon. If I was gojng to dispose of a body from nG’s neighborhood I would not go up mount lemmon—you’d have to drive all the way across river, Sabino canyon, then Tanque verde — all major roads with traffic lights and police presence. They often do DUI stops on caraljna highway up to mount Lemmon because so many drunk people used to go off the side of that road. Much easier to drive west or north and dump body in desert there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone in Nancy’s inner circle needs to be examined thoroughly then cleared. One can’t make grand assumptions that’s it’s so cruel to question a grieving family. It’s really not. If a child gets a broken arm, the parents are also questioned. It’s part of routine procedure.

They have extensively questioned and cleared her family.

This is being disputed as the Sheriff is relying on lie detector tests which are not admissible in court.

By whom? Online weirdos obsessed with the theory?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Oh I LOVED the Savannah Smiles movie when I was little. And I think playing kidnapping is the same way kids play cops and robbers, or guns, or fighting enemies. It was a scary thing, but having it turn out okay, or exploring it through play, made us feel more in control.

We also did the kidnapping friends when we were older. I remember hearing about one friend in high school that got put in the trunk of a car. That horrified me (I think this was BEFORE the movie Jawbreaker came out), I did think that was taking it too far. I'm also pretty sure I remember being sent to a kids club on vacation with Kidnapping in the name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone in Nancy’s inner circle needs to be examined thoroughly then cleared. One can’t make grand assumptions that’s it’s so cruel to question a grieving family. It’s really not. If a child gets a broken arm, the parents are also questioned. It’s part of routine procedure.

They have extensively questioned and cleared her family.

This is being disputed as the Sheriff is relying on lie detector tests which are not admissible in court.

By whom? Online weirdos obsessed with the theory?

Have you watched the recent interviews? It’s been brought up on Fox News directly with the Sheriff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to an excerpt from Guthrie's 2024 book in childhood, they used to play a pretend kidnapping game, and the mother would play along. I do not know anyone who pretended to be kidnapped for pretend play, do you? That childhood story does not age well.

https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-memoir-childhood-kidnappings-nancy-missing

From the article:

“About once a year, in the summertime, Cousin Teri orchestrated a ‘kidnapping’ of my sister and me,” Savannah wrote.

She then went on to explain how the situation would play out, adding “The cousins would visit for a few days at our house in Tucson, and then, on the morning they were to leave, Teri would wake us up early, shushing us in the predawn darkness as we made our escape. We would all pile into her rickety station wagon and head north.”

Savannah recalled calling her mother from a pay phone during one of the so called “kidnappings,” writing, “Mom! Cousin Teri kidnapped us to take us to her house!” She said her mother would pretend to be shocked before promising to drive up and get them a few days later.

Ok yes. This seems very odd, especially considering the current situation. But honestly, this was pretty typical Gen X behavior. We did weird stuff like that. I once lodged a knife in my armpit and put ketchup around it to scare my brother. I thought I was being funny. We would pretend to run away from home and spend the afternoon in the alley behind our house acting like we were on the lam and just hanging on by a thread. There was a popular, cute little family movie called Savannah Smiles (ironic) about a little girl who ran away and was held hostage by two convicts.

Idk, it was just a different time.

I am Gen X and grew up in Tucson. It was super common to “kidnap” someone for their birthday or other special occasion. You showed up super early to their house, dragged them out of bed in their Jammies with bed head and took them to the Village Inn for waffles. If you didn’t get kidnapped ever, it was super depressing because it meant your friends didn’t love you enough. Or sometimes you’d go for a morning picnic in the wash — but village inn was more common. And you’d steal the table topper (those plastic things that advertised the desserts) as a momento.

Not from Tucson but I remember doing this in the 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone in Nancy’s inner circle needs to be examined thoroughly then cleared. One can’t make grand assumptions that’s it’s so cruel to question a grieving family. It’s really not. If a child gets a broken arm, the parents are also questioned. It’s part of routine procedure.

They have extensively questioned and cleared her family.

This is being disputed as the Sheriff is relying on lie detector tests which are not admissible in court.

By whom? Online weirdos obsessed with the theory?

Have you watched the recent interviews? It’s been brought up on Fox News directly with the Sheriff.

Yeah, I don’t see how it being brought up on Fox “News” in any way invalidates my question.

[Anonymous]

Pima County Sheriff’s Department has listed the date and time of the Endangered Person’s Report as 1/31/26 7:00pm

https://pimasheriff.evidence.com/axon/community-request/public/nancy-guthrie

Missing Endangered Adult: 260201080

People should be submitting evidence here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pima County Sheriff’s Department has listed the date and time of the Endangered Person’s Report as 1/31/26 7:00pm

https://pimasheriff.evidence.com/axon/community-request/public/nancy-guthrie

Missing Endangered Adult: 260201080

People should be submitting evidence here.

Huh? Who would have reported her miss on the 31st?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pima County Sheriff’s Department has listed the date and time of the Endangered Person’s Report as 1/31/26 7:00pm

https://pimasheriff.evidence.com/axon/community-request/public/nancy-guthrie

Missing Endangered Adult: 260201080

People should be submitting evidence here.

Huh? Who would have reported her miss on the 31st?

I'm guessing they just backdated it to the last seen date. Clearly it's not an exact time, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

A lot of th side doors in Tucson are the sliding patio doors which are super easy to break into (it’s just a snap lock and then the doors slide open). My dad always installed a metal cross bar to prevent this. Also that neighborhood is super super dark so it does not surprise me that no neighbor captured anything usable on camera. Would be more likely that they would catch something at th cameras at one of the major intersections near there. But those are also pretty dark. I hate driving there at night because I find the utter blackness terrifying. Tucson historically had light restrictions due to the observatory at Kitt Peak I think.

I was just going to comment something similar about how dark those suburban desert communities are if there isn’t a full moon, and how windy the streets can be. And the houses often back to a canyon or hills or something.

There was a full moon on February 1, 2026, so the night of her disappearance would have been as light as it ever gets.

However, I think it would still be pretty dark and require someone that knows the area well, to find their way to wherever they went to dispose of her body. Or a small chance to stow her away alive.

Regardless of how light or dark it was, most of the homes near her are on 1+ acres and are set back, with lots of vegetation in the front yard. So house cameras are not going to pick up cars driving by.

I heard a local say the easiest place to dispose of a body would be to roll it off a cliff on Mount Lemmon, about an hour away.

I lived at the base of mount Lemmon. If I was gojng to dispose of a body from nG’s neighborhood I would not go up mount lemmon—you’d have to drive all the way across river, Sabino canyon, then Tanque verde — all major roads with traffic lights and police presence. They often do DUI stops on caraljna highway up to mount Lemmon because so many drunk people used to go off the side of that road. Much easier to drive west or north and dump body in desert there.

She’s probably buried somewhere and never to be found.