Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:No. I said pages back that if the Guthries are lucky her remains will be found one day by a hiker and they’ll have that as closure but that’s about it. She has probably long since died. Whatever the circumstances of her abduction, the police don’t actually know, as usual, and she’s too old to get through it in good health. Police rarely solve these things of the abductee doesn’t miraculously turn up again and tell them who did it like Jaycee Dugard or Elizabeth Smart. They don’t know who killed Jonbenet and she was found in her own house within 12 hours. Nancy is gone and they are unlikely to ever fully know what happened to her.

I think the older brother killed JB. He previously struck her with a golf club in the back of the head. The parents went to bed. The kids were up trying to play with their Christmas presents and they fought over the bowl of pineapple. I think the mom wrote the note.

Burke was even up when the parents called 911 to report his sister missing. John angrily tells him to shut up or something

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Anonymous wrote:A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

A lot of th side doors in Tucson are the sliding patio doors which are super easy to break into (it’s just a snap lock and then the doors slide open). My dad always installed a metal cross bar to prevent this. Also that neighborhood is super super dark so it does not surprise me that no neighbor captured anything usable on camera. Would be more likely that they would catch something at th cameras at one of the major intersections near there. But those are also pretty dark. I hate driving there at night because I find the utter blackness terrifying. Tucson historically had light restrictions due to the observatory at Kitt Peak I think.

I was just going to comment something similar about how dark those suburban desert communities are if there isn’t a full moon, and how windy the streets can be. And the houses often back to a canyon or hills or something.

There was a full moon on February 1, 2026, so the night of her disappearance would have been as light as it ever gets.

However, I think it would still be pretty dark and require someone that knows the area well, to find their way to wherever they went to dispose of her body. Or a small chance to stow her away alive.

Regardless of how light or dark it was, most of the homes near her are on 1+ acres and are set back, with lots of vegetation in the front yard. So house cameras are not going to pick up cars driving by.

I heard a local say the easiest place to dispose of a body would be to roll it off a cliff on Mount Lemmon, about an hour away.

I lived at the base of mount Lemmon. If I was gojng to dispose of a body from nG’s neighborhood I would not go up mount lemmon—you’d have to drive all the way across river, Sabino canyon, then Tanque verde — all major roads with traffic lights and police presence. They often do DUI stops on caraljna highway up to mount Lemmon because so many drunk people used to go off the side of that road. Much easier to drive west or north and dump body in desert there.

She’s probably buried somewhere and never to be found.

The soil is made of caliche, which is like concrete. So it's hard (impossible) to dig with a shovel. Unless they drove her miles and days away.

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Anonymous wrote:A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

A lot of th side doors in Tucson are the sliding patio doors which are super easy to break into (it’s just a snap lock and then the doors slide open). My dad always installed a metal cross bar to prevent this. Also that neighborhood is super super dark so it does not surprise me that no neighbor captured anything usable on camera. Would be more likely that they would catch something at th cameras at one of the major intersections near there. But those are also pretty dark. I hate driving there at night because I find the utter blackness terrifying. Tucson historically had light restrictions due to the observatory at Kitt Peak I think.

I was just going to comment something similar about how dark those suburban desert communities are if there isn’t a full moon, and how windy the streets can be. And the houses often back to a canyon or hills or something.

There was a full moon on February 1, 2026, so the night of her disappearance would have been as light as it ever gets.

However, I think it would still be pretty dark and require someone that knows the area well, to find their way to wherever they went to dispose of her body. Or a small chance to stow her away alive.

Regardless of how light or dark it was, most of the homes near her are on 1+ acres and are set back, with lots of vegetation in the front yard. So house cameras are not going to pick up cars driving by.

I heard a local say the easiest place to dispose of a body would be to roll it off a cliff on Mount Lemmon, about an hour away.

I lived at the base of mount Lemmon. If I was gojng to dispose of a body from nG’s neighborhood I would not go up mount lemmon—you’d have to drive all the way across river, Sabino canyon, then Tanque verde — all major roads with traffic lights and police presence. They often do DUI stops on caraljna highway up to mount Lemmon because so many drunk people used to go off the side of that road. Much easier to drive west or north and dump body in desert there.

She’s probably buried somewhere and never to be found.

The soil is made of caliche, which is like concrete. So it's hard (impossible) to dig with a shovel. Unless they drove her miles and days away.

At this point that is quite likely. I feel terrible for them but I think it is possible that her body is never found

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Anonymous wrote:Pima County Sheriff’s Department has listed the date and time of the Endangered Person’s Report as 1/31/26 7:00pm

https://pimasheriff.evidence.com/axon/community-request/public/nancy-guthrie

Missing Endangered Adult: 260201080

People should be submitting evidence here.

Huh? Who would have reported her miss on the 31st?

I'm guessing they just backdated it to the last seen date. Clearly it's not an exact time, either.

People on other forums have gone back to the Sheriffs initial statements and he declared they had been at her home since evening 1/31. This was before the “missing by a friend from church” statements were made.

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Anonymous wrote:A few interesting points from a video I just watched:

The blood was aspirated and from 8-24 inches off ground.

The nest camera would have kept recoding after being removed. So if he put it in a pocket or backpack, there could be very valuable audio during the time it was still connected to her wifi. So maybe they don’t have that recording yet, or they already do and it just isn’t known to the public.

This guy thinks he parked down the street, removed the doorbell, walked away for about 20 min to see of there was a response, came in through the side door (captured on camera, flood lights were broken), then held her at gunpoint, and walked her back to his car.

Still makes you wonder how his car was not detected by any footage in the area, how he got in the side door and knew he could get in it, and what the motive was. Occam’s razor would probably say it was supposed to be a ransom situation, but she died before that could happen. Maybe he somehow knew where she kept a spare key hidden or he stole it from someone else who had a spare.

Off topic because I don’t think this happened, but it reminded me of a story I heard years ago. Someone bought one of those fake rocks you hide your key in. The cashier got their address from their check, retrieved the key from the rock, and broke into their house.

A lot of th side doors in Tucson are the sliding patio doors which are super easy to break into (it’s just a snap lock and then the doors slide open). My dad always installed a metal cross bar to prevent this. Also that neighborhood is super super dark so it does not surprise me that no neighbor captured anything usable on camera. Would be more likely that they would catch something at th cameras at one of the major intersections near there. But those are also pretty dark. I hate driving there at night because I find the utter blackness terrifying. Tucson historically had light restrictions due to the observatory at Kitt Peak I think.

I was just going to comment something similar about how dark those suburban desert communities are if there isn’t a full moon, and how windy the streets can be. And the houses often back to a canyon or hills or something.

There was a full moon on February 1, 2026, so the night of her disappearance would have been as light as it ever gets.

However, I think it would still be pretty dark and require someone that knows the area well, to find their way to wherever they went to dispose of her body. Or a small chance to stow her away alive.

Regardless of how light or dark it was, most of the homes near her are on 1+ acres and are set back, with lots of vegetation in the front yard. So house cameras are not going to pick up cars driving by.

I heard a local say the easiest place to dispose of a body would be to roll it off a cliff on Mount Lemmon, about an hour away.

I lived at the base of mount Lemmon. If I was gojng to dispose of a body from nG’s neighborhood I would not go up mount lemmon—you’d have to drive all the way across river, Sabino canyon, then Tanque verde — all major roads with traffic lights and police presence. They often do DUI stops on caraljna highway up to mount Lemmon because so many drunk people used to go off the side of that road. Much easier to drive west or north and dump body in desert there.

She’s probably buried somewhere and never to be found.

The soil is made of caliche, which is like concrete. So it's hard (impossible) to dig with a shovel. Unless they drove her miles and days away.

At this point that is quite likely. I feel terrible for them but I think it is possible that her body is never found

Why would you do that? It’s easy to dump a body in the desert and the animals will take care of it before anyone finds it.

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Is there video footage of her arriving home from dinner?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there video footage of her arriving home from dinner?

OMG, give it up. Her pacemaker synched with her iphone at her home in the middle of the night. This is clearly a burglary or kidnapping gone bad. The sole consolation for Savannah and her sister is that their mother almost certainly died on that first day, so hopefully did not suffer.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there video footage of her arriving home from dinner?

OMG, give it up. Her pacemaker synched with her iphone at her home in the middle of the night. This is clearly a burglary or kidnapping gone bad. The sole consolation for Savannah and her sister is that their mother almost certainly died on that first day, so hopefully did not suffer.

pacemaker does not possess the ability to recognize whether a person is alive or dead. It will continue to function and send electrical pacing impulses as programmed until its battery is depleted or it is manually deactivate.

The pacemaker being in range of her phone does not mean she was necessarily alive at 1am.

The important key to this case is to examine Alibis. Liars mess up with small details. The sheriff has a hard on for the family. In all other cases (missing children, elderly), the family is grilled hard first

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Pacemaker checks can see if it is working or not by collecting and sending the rhythm. Many will have pretty complex rhythm detection and different pacing schemes based on the rhythm.

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The mother is dead. Time for the family to start grieving and move on.

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Anonymous wrote:The mother is dead. Time for the family to start grieving and move on.

What a helpful post.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there video footage of her arriving home from dinner?

OMG, give it up. Her pacemaker synched with her iphone at her home in the middle of the night. This is clearly a burglary or kidnapping gone bad. The sole consolation for Savannah and her sister is that their mother almost certainly died on that first day, so hopefully did not suffer.

pacemaker does not possess the ability to recognize whether a person is alive or dead. It will continue to function and send electrical pacing impulses as programmed until its battery is depleted or it is manually deactivate.

The pacemaker being in range of her phone does not mean she was necessarily alive at 1am.

The important key to this case is to examine Alibis. Liars mess up with small details. The sheriff has a hard on for the family. In all other cases (missing children, elderly), the family is grilled hard first

No, the pacemaker collects more data than that.

Between the phone and pacemaker data you can tell that she was 1. alive that night AND 2. In range of the phone that night AND 3. Said phone was at home that night.

So you can tell she was ALIVE AND AT HOME that night.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there video footage of her arriving home from dinner?

OMG, give it up. Her pacemaker synched with her iphone at her home in the middle of the night. This is clearly a burglary or kidnapping gone bad. The sole consolation for Savannah and her sister is that their mother almost certainly died on that first day, so hopefully did not suffer.

pacemaker does not possess the ability to recognize whether a person is alive or dead. It will continue to function and send electrical pacing impulses as programmed until its battery is depleted or it is manually deactivate.

The pacemaker being in range of her phone does not mean she was necessarily alive at 1am.

The important key to this case is to examine Alibis. Liars mess up with small details. The sheriff has a hard on for the family. In all other cases (missing children, elderly), the family is grilled hard first

That's not fully correct. If the pacemaker and phone are in range of each other, you can detect a lot of information about someone's health status and whereabouts. It's when the two are separated that you lose information. That's why pacemakers can be useful in determining exact time of death and location of death if the device is kept with the pacemaker.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there video footage of her arriving home from dinner?

OMG, give it up. Her pacemaker synched with her iphone at her home in the middle of the night. This is clearly a burglary or kidnapping gone bad. The sole consolation for Savannah and her sister is that their mother almost certainly died on that first day, so hopefully did not suffer.

pacemaker does not possess the ability to recognize whether a person is alive or dead. It will continue to function and send electrical pacing impulses as programmed until its battery is depleted or it is manually deactivate.

The pacemaker being in range of her phone does not mean she was necessarily alive at 1am.

The important key to this case is to examine Alibis. Liars mess up with small details. The sheriff has a hard on for the family. In all other cases (missing children, elderly), the family is grilled hard first

No, the pacemaker collects more data than that.

Between the phone and pacemaker data you can tell that she was 1. alive that night AND 2. In range of the phone that night AND 3. Said phone was at home that night.

So you can tell she was ALIVE AND AT HOME that night.

The phone didn’t have to be at home. It could have been anywhere so long as it was near her.

What’s known is the phone was left behind at home at some point after the last ping.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there video footage of her arriving home from dinner?

OMG, give it up. Her pacemaker synched with her iphone at her home in the middle of the night. This is clearly a burglary or kidnapping gone bad. The sole consolation for Savannah and her sister is that their mother almost certainly died on that first day, so hopefully did not suffer.

pacemaker does not possess the ability to recognize whether a person is alive or dead. It will continue to function and send electrical pacing impulses as programmed until its battery is depleted or it is manually deactivate.

The pacemaker being in range of her phone does not mean she was necessarily alive at 1am.

The important key to this case is to examine Alibis. Liars mess up with small details. The sheriff has a hard on for the family. In all other cases (missing children, elderly), the family is grilled hard first

No, the pacemaker collects more data than that.

Between the phone and pacemaker data you can tell that she was 1. alive that night AND 2. In range of the phone that night AND 3. Said phone was at home that night.

So you can tell she was ALIVE AND AT HOME that night.

The phone didn’t have to be at home. It could have been anywhere so long as it was near her.

What’s known is the phone was left behind at home at some point after the last ping.

Actually we DO know the phone was home that night and she got home safely. Phones have location detecting abilities so we know the phone got home safely that evening and we know she did too because her pacemaker was close to the phone and synced to it that night.

See how that works?