Trump DOJ to prosecute universities for anti-white affirmative action policies

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You are good at making assumptions. I don't have to be black to make a case for Affirmative Action. Holocaust is bad but not nearly as bad as slavery which went on for centuries and killed millions of blacks and deprived them the very humanity you take for granted. It is much much worse than Holocaust. No one said everything is someone else's fault. But slavery, jim crow, cop shooting of unarmed blacks, harsh criminal justice reserved for minor black crimes are all on the hands of systemic racism.

oh

Here we go again. Let's see whose history is worse - descendants of slaves or descendants of the Holocaust.

lynchings
gas chambers
rapes
brutal force
starvation
child labor
breaking families apart

You must be very competitive, PP. but for all the wrong reasons . . .

Not PP, but...

You are saying both groups had extremely similar bad experiences/timelines and therefore now they *should* have very similar cultures/behaviors? Is that what you're saying?

I'm asking why one group must trump another based on atrocities from the past.

THAT'S what I'm saying.

It's childish and sick.

Ok. Let's not even try to figure out who that lucky "winner" would be. Just say that they both had bad sh1t happen in the past - and today. So you think neither group should be scarred by those bad things? No cultural/behaviors influenced by those bad things?

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Why do Jews have a stronger family unit than AAs? And is that purely modern phenomena or did this culture/behavior start in the past?

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is a racist policy. It says here are our normal standards to get in SAT/ACT wise and GPA wise. However, since you are black or hispanic you do not need to meet the normal standards because you can't and so we allow you to come in with lower scores and GPAs. This is in effect telling minorities they are inferior to Whites because they do not need to have the same scores or grades. How many of these Affirmative action kids drop out after a semester or year as well cause they did not go to a place they truly fit in?

A) This is not what affirmative action "says"
B) Holistic admission accounts for more than just grades and GPA because schools want interesting, dynamic, students who aren't just book smart - regardless of race. I know I am glad the school I went to looked at more than just grades and test scores.
C) Kids drop out of schools for all sorts of reasons but not one of them is affirmative action. You are spewing nonsense. In fact, if schools also focused on supporting kids once they were admitted and not exposing them to the kind of prejudiced views you hold, they might feel more included in the college community.

She is not spewing nonsense. Affirmative action needs to end because it is an institutionalized form of racism and no longer needed.

+ 1 Students admitted under affirmative action policies graduate at much lower rates. Why this should surprise anyone is odd. After all, they were admitted with lower grades and scores that would have put them in the reject pile if they were white, Asian, or Jewish. This very reliable source says that the lowest completion rate, defined at graduating four years from when one started a specific institution, is lowest among black males (40%) and highest among Asian females (75%).

it's a fair argument as to whether we continue to "owe" blacks preferential treatment (and if so, for how many more generations), but AA is a costly policy, admitting students who are less likely to graduate and denying students more likely to graduate.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/04/26/college-completion-rates-vary-race-and-ethnicity-report-finds

Are you claiming there are hoards of white high school students who don't get into college at all because of AA? So they end up not getting a college education? Seems to me that is an applicant can't even get into a single college perhaps he wasn't ready for higher education.

No, but a black applicant admitted to a top-tier school under lower standards, where the white student is rejected, is definitely costing that white student a slot. Now you can argue that the white student can go to a 2nd-tier school, but I am saying why should the black kid get to go to the better school and the white kid to a lesser school despite the fact that the white kid had higher grades and scores? Patently unfair and racist.

When the white kid suffers from centuries of racism, jim crow, housing discrimination, voting disenfranchisement, negative stereotyping, poverty, drug infested gloomy neighborhood, getting stopped and shot by cops for no reason, and lack of positive role models THEN whites can expect the same help as blacks.

Black kids trying to get into college haven't suffered from centuries of racism. They're 18 years old, and they, and their parents, and and their grandparents have been given preferential treatment in admissions. And there's a lack of positive role models? Is that the whites' fault, too?

Blacks really should look toward the Jews and emulate them, rather than resent them. Study how they overcome terrible prejudice, slamming doors (good luck getting into an Ivy in the 50s), mass murder of their cousins, and STILL managed to form strong family units and get an education. Ask yourself: what are Jews doing differently than blacks that have helped them succeed in spite of antisemitism? And there's your answer.

1) Southern universities were only forced to desegregate in the early 1960s. I can assure you that did not mean that black applicants were immediately given "preferential treatment" in admissions. The grandparents of an 18 year old today would have been going to university in the late 1960s and again, I can assure you at that point that they would not have been given "preferential treatment" in college admissions.

Marriage between different races was still illegal in some states until 1967 when the Supreme Court struck it down. That is only 50 years ago. The fact that the Supreme Court had to strike it down means that at that time racial discrimination was still going strong.

I grew up in flyover country in the 1970s and racial discrimination was rife back then and quite out in the open. Nowadays the people I grew up with won't come out directly with their racial bias the way they did in the 1970s, but it's there all right. You think that blacks who were born after the Civil Rights era were automatically shielded from racial prejudices that were hard wired into whites for generations?

2) What Jews are doing differently than blacks that have helped them succeed is not have black skin that immediately makes them less likely to get a mortgage http://fortune.com/2016/07/19/mortgage-lending-racial-disparities/ or more likely to get pulled over while driving or less likely to get a cab or less likely to be prescribed pain medication https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/10/black-patients-bias-prescriptions-pain-management-medicine-opioids or receive certain medical services https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220337/
more likely to get suspended in school for the same infractions https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-05-09/black-girls-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-suspended-in-every-state
and more likely to be wrongly convicted http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/blacks-wrongful-convictions-study/index.html

OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Strong family units.
Yes, quite an essential element for acquisition and sustainment of success.
Tell me something...prior to the recent advent of implementing forensic science into our judicial system allowing evidence like DNA and gunshot residue to be considered thus preventing wrongful convictions, would you say there were a significant number of Jewish families ripped apart at the seams by unlawful and unjust imprisonment? Would you say there were many Jewish families torn asunder by racial violence?
Take your time before you answer. Let's go back to 1950...WWII is over Jews are getting settled and they're experiencing prejudice and discrimination...but are they being lynched? Are they getting arrested en masses and beaten and thrown in jail just for the color of their skin by officers sworn to protect and serve the people? During those pivotal formative years when Jews were advancing in education and acquiring wealth and strengthening their family units how many blacks do you suppose were being denied education and being denied the opportunity to attain wealth and how many blacks do you suppose were powerless to prevent the powers that be from dismantling their families and forcing them into a permanent underclass status?
Take your time.

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OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

Because African-Americans don't value family or education?

<= There aren't enough of either of these to express my WTF on this.

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Why do Jews have a stronger family unit than AAs? And is that purely modern phenomena or did this culture/behavior start in the past?

I'm the PP who said that about the strong family unit, but I have no idea why. And as far as whether this behavior is modern or started in the past, I am guessing it was present in the past, as well. But now that I think about it - stream of consciousness here! - I bet it had to do with survival. They were so persecuted over the centuries that they found strength in family units.

That then begs the question, why do blacks not exhibit the same behavior? They too have been persecuted over the centuries, but we see - in modern times at least - a breakdown in the family unit. Interesting, no?

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OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

Because African-Americans don't value family or education?

<= There aren't enough of either of these to express my WTF on this.

Doesn't seem to be as much as Jews do. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many out-of-wedlock births and absentee fathers.

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Strong family units.
Yes, quite an essential element for acquisition and sustainment of success.
Tell me something...prior to the recent advent of implementing forensic science into our judicial system allowing evidence like DNA and gunshot residue to be considered thus preventing wrongful convictions, would you say there were a significant number of Jewish families ripped apart at the seams by unlawful and unjust imprisonment? Would you say there were many Jewish families torn asunder by racial violence?
Take your time before you answer. Let's go back to 1950...WWII is over Jews are getting settled and they're experiencing prejudice and discrimination...but are they being lynched? Are they getting arrested en masses and beaten and thrown in jail just for the color of their skin by officers sworn to protect and serve the people? During those pivotal formative years when Jews were advancing in education and acquiring wealth and strengthening their family units how many blacks do you suppose were being denied education and being denied the opportunity to attain wealth and how many blacks do you suppose were powerless to prevent the powers that be from dismantling their families and forcing them into a permanent underclass status?
Take your time.

I don't want to play Oppression Olympics anymore. It doesn't help anybody.

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Why do Jews have a stronger family unit than AAs? And is that purely modern phenomena or did this culture/behavior start in the past?

I'm the PP who said that about the strong family unit, but I have no idea why. And as far as whether this behavior is modern or started in the past, I am guessing it was present in the past, as well. But now that I think about it - stream of consciousness here! - I bet it had to do with survival. They were so persecuted over the centuries that they found strength in family units.

That then begs the question, why do blacks not exhibit the same behavior? They too have been persecuted over the centuries, but we see - in modern times at least - a breakdown in the family unit. Interesting, no?

What was the AA family unit like during slavery?

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Strong family units.
Yes, quite an essential element for acquisition and sustainment of success.
Tell me something...prior to the recent advent of implementing forensic science into our judicial system allowing evidence like DNA and gunshot residue to be considered thus preventing wrongful convictions, would you say there were a significant number of Jewish families ripped apart at the seams by unlawful and unjust imprisonment? Would you say there were many Jewish families torn asunder by racial violence?
Take your time before you answer. Let's go back to 1950...WWII is over Jews are getting settled and they're experiencing prejudice and discrimination...but are they being lynched? Are they getting arrested en masses and beaten and thrown in jail just for the color of their skin by officers sworn to protect and serve the people? During those pivotal formative years when Jews were advancing in education and acquiring wealth and strengthening their family units how many blacks do you suppose were being denied education and being denied the opportunity to attain wealth and how many blacks do you suppose were powerless to prevent the powers that be from dismantling their families and forcing them into a permanent underclass status?
Take your time.

I don't want to play Oppression Olympics anymore. It doesn't help anybody.

Not PP, but without comparing let's just look at the paths each oppressed group has taken. You don't see any historical reasons - at all - why AAs may have struggled with education and family units?

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OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

Because African-Americans don't value family or education?

<= There aren't enough of either of these to express my WTF on this.

Don't be disingenuous. Asian, Jewish and upper-middle class white kids usually do their homework, study hard, get good grades and get into good schools. Why? Because their parents are usually hardcore about school and force them to. Kids from those backgrounds are under tons of pressure to do well in school. AAs, Latinos and poor/working-class whites have a much more lax attitude when it comes to education.

You could say that it's a class issue, but most Jews were poor/working class when they immigrated to the US, decades ago. A big part of it is cultural.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is a racist policy. It says here are our normal standards to get in SAT/ACT wise and GPA wise. However, since you are black or hispanic you do not need to meet the normal standards because you can't and so we allow you to come in with lower scores and GPAs. This is in effect telling minorities they are inferior to Whites because they do not need to have the same scores or grades. How many of these Affirmative action kids drop out after a semester or year as well cause they did not go to a place they truly fit in?

A) This is not what affirmative action "says"
B) Holistic admission accounts for more than just grades and GPA because schools want interesting, dynamic, students who aren't just book smart - regardless of race. I know I am glad the school I went to looked at more than just grades and test scores.
C) Kids drop out of schools for all sorts of reasons but not one of them is affirmative action. You are spewing nonsense. In fact, if schools also focused on supporting kids once they were admitted and not exposing them to the kind of prejudiced views you hold, they might feel more included in the college community.

She is not spewing nonsense. Affirmative action needs to end because it is an institutionalized form of racism and no longer needed.

+ 1 Students admitted under affirmative action policies graduate at much lower rates. Why this should surprise anyone is odd. After all, they were admitted with lower grades and scores that would have put them in the reject pile if they were white, Asian, or Jewish. This very reliable source says that the lowest completion rate, defined at graduating four years from when one started a specific institution, is lowest among black males (40%) and highest among Asian females (75%).

it's a fair argument as to whether we continue to "owe" blacks preferential treatment (and if so, for how many more generations), but AA is a costly policy, admitting students who are less likely to graduate and denying students more likely to graduate.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/04/26/college-completion-rates-vary-race-and-ethnicity-report-finds

Are you claiming there are hoards of white high school students who don't get into college at all because of AA? So they end up not getting a college education? Seems to me that is an applicant can't even get into a single college perhaps he wasn't ready for higher education.

No, but a black applicant admitted to a top-tier school under lower standards, where the white student is rejected, is definitely costing that white student a slot. Now you can argue that the white student can go to a 2nd-tier school, but I am saying why should the black kid get to go to the better school and the white kid to a lesser school despite the fact that the white kid had higher grades and scores? Patently unfair and racist.

When the white kid suffers from centuries of racism, jim crow, housing discrimination, voting disenfranchisement, negative stereotyping, poverty, drug infested gloomy neighborhood, getting stopped and shot by cops for no reason, and lack of positive role models THEN whites can expect the same help as blacks.

Black kids trying to get into college haven't suffered from centuries of racism. They're 18 years old, and they, and their parents, and and their grandparents have been given preferential treatment in admissions. And there's a lack of positive role models? Is that the whites' fault, too?

Blacks really should look toward the Jews and emulate them, rather than resent them. Study how they overcome terrible prejudice, slamming doors (good luck getting into an Ivy in the 50s), mass murder of their cousins, and STILL managed to form strong family units and get an education. Ask yourself: what are Jews doing differently than blacks that have helped them succeed in spite of antisemitism? And there's your answer.

1) Southern universities were only forced to desegregate in the early 1960s. I can assure you that did not mean that black applicants were immediately given "preferential treatment" in admissions. The grandparents of an 18 year old today would have been going to university in the late 1960s and again, I can assure you at that point that they would not have been given "preferential treatment" in college admissions.

Marriage between different races was still illegal in some states until 1967 when the Supreme Court struck it down. That is only 50 years ago. The fact that the Supreme Court had to strike it down means that at that time racial discrimination was still going strong.

I grew up in flyover country in the 1970s and racial discrimination was rife back then and quite out in the open. Nowadays the people I grew up with won't come out directly with their racial bias the way they did in the 1970s, but it's there all right. You think that blacks who were born after the Civil Rights era were automatically shielded from racial prejudices that were hard wired into whites for generations?

2) What Jews are doing differently than blacks that have helped them succeed is not have black skin that immediately makes them less likely to get a mortgage http://fortune.com/2016/07/19/mortgage-lending-racial-disparities/ or more likely to get pulled over while driving or less likely to get a cab or less likely to be prescribed pain medication https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/10/black-patients-bias-prescriptions-pain-management-medicine-opioids or receive certain medical services https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220337/
more likely to get suspended in school for the same infractions https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-05-09/black-girls-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-suspended-in-every-state
and more likely to be wrongly convicted http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/blacks-wrongful-convictions-study/index.html

OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

And you seem unable to acknowledge that widespread prejudice affects how easily people can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If people have been systematically denied access to boots, how do they do that?
p.s. how can you on the one hand claim blacks don't emphasize education when at the same time you blow a stack at the perceived preferential treatment they get when applying to college? If blacks don't emphasize education why are they even applying to college? And if you want to encourage them to emphasize education, shouldn't you be encouraging colleges to make sure they get accepted?

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Emulate them? Are you kidding? The Jewish people in this country would hate that. That would mean that all the top jobs at elite universities would be given to blacks and they would only promote other blacks. Most everyone in power in the media, banking, and Hollywood would be black. Harvard, Yale, etc would be mostly black. Jewish people will never let this happen. They may be only 2% of the population but they make damn sure they are the 1%. If anyone points out how Jews always look out first for other Jews especially in elite admissions they give you the one two punch and call you a Nazi. They say they are discriminated against and call the NAACP. Some rabbi had a fit that Princeton was not Jewish enough at 25%. What happened in Nazi Germany was horrible but plenty of non Jews lost their lives trying to defeat Hitler. In this country Jewish people have lived a life of privilege. It is a lie that Jews are smarter than African Americans.

The difference is this - that while the Holocaust and slavery broke apart families - separated men from women, husbands from wives, brothers from sisters - the Jewish culture, b/c the Holocaust period was shorter than slavery, could still focus on intact families. The family unit and the traditions surrounding a shared religion keep people together.

They're not privileged. That's a pretty sick statement, PP. It's called survival.

If, as you say, ". . . Jews always look out for other Jews . . . " you should be asking, "Why is this?" It's something to envy. But you sound jealous.

Remember that plenty of non-blacks helped fight against slavery, too. So what's your point there?

Agree, and let's not act as though the Jews suffered through a single four-year period of horrific treatment, and that was that. They've been persecuted, enslaved, and murdered going back 2000 years.

It all boils down to a strong family unit. Jews have it in spades.

Why do Jews have a stronger family unit than AAs? And is that purely modern phenomena or did this culture/behavior start in the past?

I'm the PP who said that about the strong family unit, but I have no idea why. And as far as whether this behavior is modern or started in the past, I am guessing it was present in the past, as well. But now that I think about it - stream of consciousness here! - I bet it had to do with survival. They were so persecuted over the centuries that they found strength in family units.

That then begs the question, why do blacks not exhibit the same behavior? They too have been persecuted over the centuries, but we see - in modern times at least - a breakdown in the family unit. Interesting, no?

What was the AA family unit like during slavery?

Same OP as above. I don't know, but I would also guess that it was strong - and for the same reason that the Jews had/have strong family units - survival.

But that begs the next question. Why have the Jews maintained their strong emphasis on intact families, yet in recent years there has been a breakdown iin intact black families. Any idea why?

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OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

Because African-Americans don't value family or education?

<= There aren't enough of either of these to express my WTF on this.

Don't be disingenuous. Asian, Jewish and upper-middle class white kids usually do their homework, study hard, get good grades and get into good schools. Why? Because their parents are usually hardcore about school and force them to. Kids from those backgrounds are under tons of pressure to do well in school. AAs, Latinos and poor/working-class whites have a much more lax attitude when it comes to education.

You could say that it's a class issue, but most Jews were poor/working class when they immigrated to the US, decades ago. A big part of it is cultural.

Maybe it has something to do with learning the Torah and becoming a man at 13 within the Jewish faith?

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative action is a racist policy. It says here are our normal standards to get in SAT/ACT wise and GPA wise. However, since you are black or hispanic you do not need to meet the normal standards because you can't and so we allow you to come in with lower scores and GPAs. This is in effect telling minorities they are inferior to Whites because they do not need to have the same scores or grades. How many of these Affirmative action kids drop out after a semester or year as well cause they did not go to a place they truly fit in?

A) This is not what affirmative action "says"
B) Holistic admission accounts for more than just grades and GPA because schools want interesting, dynamic, students who aren't just book smart - regardless of race. I know I am glad the school I went to looked at more than just grades and test scores.
C) Kids drop out of schools for all sorts of reasons but not one of them is affirmative action. You are spewing nonsense. In fact, if schools also focused on supporting kids once they were admitted and not exposing them to the kind of prejudiced views you hold, they might feel more included in the college community.

She is not spewing nonsense. Affirmative action needs to end because it is an institutionalized form of racism and no longer needed.

+ 1 Students admitted under affirmative action policies graduate at much lower rates. Why this should surprise anyone is odd. After all, they were admitted with lower grades and scores that would have put them in the reject pile if they were white, Asian, or Jewish. This very reliable source says that the lowest completion rate, defined at graduating four years from when one started a specific institution, is lowest among black males (40%) and highest among Asian females (75%).

it's a fair argument as to whether we continue to "owe" blacks preferential treatment (and if so, for how many more generations), but AA is a costly policy, admitting students who are less likely to graduate and denying students more likely to graduate.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/04/26/college-completion-rates-vary-race-and-ethnicity-report-finds

Are you claiming there are hoards of white high school students who don't get into college at all because of AA? So they end up not getting a college education? Seems to me that is an applicant can't even get into a single college perhaps he wasn't ready for higher education.

No, but a black applicant admitted to a top-tier school under lower standards, where the white student is rejected, is definitely costing that white student a slot. Now you can argue that the white student can go to a 2nd-tier school, but I am saying why should the black kid get to go to the better school and the white kid to a lesser school despite the fact that the white kid had higher grades and scores? Patently unfair and racist.

When the white kid suffers from centuries of racism, jim crow, housing discrimination, voting disenfranchisement, negative stereotyping, poverty, drug infested gloomy neighborhood, getting stopped and shot by cops for no reason, and lack of positive role models THEN whites can expect the same help as blacks.

Black kids trying to get into college haven't suffered from centuries of racism. They're 18 years old, and they, and their parents, and and their grandparents have been given preferential treatment in admissions. And there's a lack of positive role models? Is that the whites' fault, too?

Blacks really should look toward the Jews and emulate them, rather than resent them. Study how they overcome terrible prejudice, slamming doors (good luck getting into an Ivy in the 50s), mass murder of their cousins, and STILL managed to form strong family units and get an education. Ask yourself: what are Jews doing differently than blacks that have helped them succeed in spite of antisemitism? And there's your answer.

1) Southern universities were only forced to desegregate in the early 1960s. I can assure you that did not mean that black applicants were immediately given "preferential treatment" in admissions. The grandparents of an 18 year old today would have been going to university in the late 1960s and again, I can assure you at that point that they would not have been given "preferential treatment" in college admissions.

Marriage between different races was still illegal in some states until 1967 when the Supreme Court struck it down. That is only 50 years ago. The fact that the Supreme Court had to strike it down means that at that time racial discrimination was still going strong.

I grew up in flyover country in the 1970s and racial discrimination was rife back then and quite out in the open. Nowadays the people I grew up with won't come out directly with their racial bias the way they did in the 1970s, but it's there all right. You think that blacks who were born after the Civil Rights era were automatically shielded from racial prejudices that were hard wired into whites for generations?

2) What Jews are doing differently than blacks that have helped them succeed is not have black skin that immediately makes them less likely to get a mortgage http://fortune.com/2016/07/19/mortgage-lending-racial-disparities/ or more likely to get pulled over while driving or less likely to get a cab or less likely to be prescribed pain medication https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/10/black-patients-bias-prescriptions-pain-management-medicine-opioids or receive certain medical services https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220337/
more likely to get suspended in school for the same infractions https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-05-09/black-girls-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-suspended-in-every-state
and more likely to be wrongly convicted http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/blacks-wrongful-convictions-study/index.html

OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

And you seem unable to acknowledge that widespread prejudice affects how easily people can pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If people have been systematically denied access to boots, how do they do that?
p.s. how can you on the one hand claim blacks don't emphasize education when at the same time you blow a stack at the perceived preferential treatment they get when applying to college? If blacks don't emphasize education why are they even applying to college? And if you want to encourage them to emphasize education, shouldn't you be encouraging colleges to make sure they get accepted?

If you seriously think that AAs are as serious about education as Jews, you are being willfully blind. Applying to college doesn't mean that you are serious about education. Doing your homework and getting a 4.x GPA and high SATs and stacking up extracurriculars are what serious people do. Certain cultures are more fastidious about this than others.