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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Affirmative action is a racist policy. [b]It says here are our normal standards to get in SAT/ACT wise and GPA wise. However, since you are black or hispanic you do not need to meet the normal standards because you can't and so we allow you to come in with lower scores and GPAs. This is in effect telling minorities they are inferior to Whites because they do not need to have the same scores or grades. [/b]How many of these Affirmative action kids drop out after a semester or year as well cause they did not go to a place they truly fit in? [/quote]

A) This is not what affirmative action "says"
B) Holistic admission accounts for more than just grades and GPA because schools want interesting, dynamic, students who aren't just book smart - regardless of race.  I know I am glad the school I went to looked at more than just grades and test scores.  
C) Kids drop out of schools for all sorts of reasons but not one of them is affirmative action. You are spewing nonsense.  In fact, if schools also focused on supporting kids once they were admitted and not exposing them to the kind of prejudiced views you hold, they might feel more included in the college community.[/quote]

She is not spewing nonsense. Affirmative action needs to end because it is an institutionalized form of racism and no longer needed.[/quote]
+ 1 Students admitted under affirmative action policies graduate at much lower rates. Why this should surprise anyone is odd. After all, they were admitted with lower grades and scores that would have put them in the reject pile if they were white, Asian, or Jewish. This very reliable source says that the lowest completion rate, defined at graduating four years from when one started a specific institution,  is lowest among black males (40%) and highest among Asian females (75%).

it's a fair argument as to whether we continue to "owe" blacks preferential treatment (and if so, for how many more generations), but AA is a costly policy, admitting students who are less likely to graduate and denying students more likely to graduate.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/04/26/college-completion-rates-vary-race-and-ethnicity-report-finds[/quote]

Are you claiming there are hoards of white high school students who don't get into college at all because of AA?  So they end up not getting a college education?  Seems to me that is an applicant can't even get into a single college perhaps he wasn't ready for higher education.[/quote]
No, but a black applicant admitted to a top-tier school under lower standards, where the white student is rejected, is definitely costing that white student a slot. Now you can argue that the white student can go to a 2nd-tier school, but I am saying why should the black kid get to go to the better school and the white kid to a lesser school despite the fact that the white kid had higher grades and scores? Patently unfair and racist.

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When the white kid suffers from centuries of racism, jim crow, housing discrimination, voting disenfranchisement, negative stereotyping, poverty, drug infested gloomy neighborhood, getting stopped and shot by cops for no reason, and lack of positive role models THEN whites can expect the same help as blacks. [/quote]
Black kids trying to get into college haven't suffered from centuries of racism. They're 18 years old, and [b]they, and their parents, and and their grandparents have been given preferential treatment in admissions.[/b] And there's a lack of positive role models? Is that the whites' fault, too?

Blacks really should look toward the Jews and emulate them, rather than resent them. Study how they overcome terrible prejudice, slamming doors (good luck getting into an Ivy in the 50s), mass murder of their cousins, and STILL managed to form strong family units and get an education. A[b]sk yourself: what are Jews doing differently than blacks that have helped them succeed in spite of antisemitism? And there's your answer[/b].[/quote]

1) Southern universities were only forced to desegregate in the early 1960s.  I can assure you that did not mean that black applicants were immediately given "preferential treatment" in admissions.  The grandparents of an 18 year old today would have been going to university in the late 1960s and again, I can assure you at that point that they would not have been given "preferential treatment" in college admissions.

Marriage between different races was still illegal in some states until 1967 when the Supreme Court struck it down.  That is only 50 years ago.  The fact that the Supreme Court had to strike it down means that at that time racial discrimination was still going strong.

I grew up in flyover country in the 1970s and racial discrimination was rife back then and quite out in the open.  Nowadays the people I grew up with won't come out directly with their racial bias the way they did in the 1970s, but it's there all right.  You think that blacks who were born after the Civil Rights era were automatically shielded from racial prejudices that were hard wired into whites for generations?

2) What Jews are doing differently than blacks that have helped them succeed is not have black skin that immediately makes them less likely to get a mortgage http://fortune.com/2016/07/19/mortgage-lending-racial-disparities/  or more likely to get pulled over while driving or less likely to get a cab or less likely to be prescribed pain medication https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/aug/10/black-patients-bias-prescriptions-pain-management-medicine-opioids or receive certain medical services https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK220337/
more likely to get suspended in school for the same infractions https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-05-09/black-girls-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-suspended-in-every-state
and more likely to be wrongly convicted http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/blacks-wrongful-convictions-study/index.html  [/quote]
OK, so you're saying the reason the Jews are so much more successful than blacks is because there is more prejudice against blacks. You seem unable to acknowledge that it has much to do with the Jews' emphasis on education and the value they place on strong family units. That's because that would place some of the responsibility on blacks themselves, which is a much-needed step to advancement.

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