Trump DOJ to prosecute universities for anti-white affirmative action policies

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, in college admissions, it's actually asians that get hurt most by affirmative action.

Yup. Whites are not the biggest victims of affirmative action in college admissions. Asian-Americans are. Pretty sure Trump isn't focused on that, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.

DP. But you're just making up a sympathetic story. Johnny could be the one with the "interesting back story," not Jamal. AA isn't based on who possesses a certain back story; it's based on who possesses a certain skin color.

So, are you on an admissions committee and are telling us a particular story about particular candidates?

Admissions committees don't just look at skin color. They look at the whole package. And yes, non-academic factors come into play. I'm a white person who got into an Ivy League school with that 1300 SAT score and you know what I am almost certain put me over in the yes pile? The fact that I was from a poor rural midwestern area from where they rarely received applications. An admissions officer as much told me so. I probably prevented a Connecticut Johnny with his 1600 SAT score from getting in.

But he probably got in elsewhere so i don't feel so bad about it.

I don't think anyone remotely suggested that Admissions committees ONLY look at skin color.

From what I've read on this thread it seems people are suggesting admissions committees shouldn't be able to consider race at all. Maybe they shouldn't be able to consider any other non-academic factors at all. I'm sure that would make for a great class makeup. Maybe they should just take all the highest SAT scorers, put their name in a bag, and pull out names at random. Because of course SAT is the only indicator of a good college student.

Fine to allow them to consider race so long as other schools or institutions are allowed to consider race in the other direction, and openly favor whites.

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Anonymous wrote:Another waste of taxpayer money and another "oh, poor me" whine from the dumb whites.

Like "oh poor me" programs for Blacks? "Oh poor me my great great grandfather was a slave!"

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

Private institutions can do what they want. SCOTUS has articulated the standard in a recents string of cases for publics. What is the DOE doing again?

And BTW-- white parent here with a kid at TJ. The students who have a legit beef about being held to a higher standard in college admissions are Asians-- especially inIvys and STEM programs. My kid will get in to a college with a lower GPA and lower SAT that his Asian classmates.

But sure, affluent whites are being shafted.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

That would be one thing but universities are giving preference to Jamal with a 1300 over mr white 1600.

Maybe Jamal with 1300 has a much more interesting back story to his life, has done a lot more admirable things, is a much better writer, a more talented inventor, won more awards, is a kinder person than Johnny who took 5 prep courses to get his perfect score but has never been out of his little cocoon of privilege and who obviously had help writing his essay.

I know which candidate I'd prefer.

DP. But you're just making up a sympathetic story. Johnny could be the one with the "interesting back story," not Jamal. AA isn't based on who possesses a certain back story; it's based on who possesses a certain skin color.

So, are you on an admissions committee and are telling us a particular story about particular candidates?

Admissions committees don't just look at skin color. They look at the whole package. And yes, non-academic factors come into play. I'm a white person who got into an Ivy League school with that 1300 SAT score and you know what I am almost certain put me over in the yes pile? The fact that I was from a poor rural midwestern area from where they rarely received applications. An admissions officer as much told me so. I probably prevented a Connecticut Johnny with his 1600 SAT score from getting in.

But he probably got in elsewhere so i don't feel so bad about it.

I don't think anyone remotely suggested that Admissions committees ONLY look at skin color.

From what I've read on this thread it seems people are suggesting admissions committees shouldn't be able to consider race at all. Maybe they shouldn't be able to consider any other non-academic factors at all. I'm sure that would make for a great class makeup. Maybe they should just take all the highest SAT scorers, put their name in a bag, and pull out names at random. Because of course SAT is the only indicator of a good college student.

Fine to allow them to consider race so long as other schools or institutions are allowed to consider race in the other direction, and openly favor whites.

Because there's a centuries long history of systematic discrimination against whites in the US? And because whites aren't fully represented in the makeup of college classes in proportion to their percentage of the American population?

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Anonymous wrote:Finally someone stands up for underachieving white kids who don't have rich parents to grease the skids for them. #MAGA

If they are first gen college students then most colleges do give them a boost.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not even white and I agree with this policy. There is no reason to discriminate against a qualified white student

Tons of qualified students, white or black or Asian, don't get admitted to schools because 1) too many qualified students apply for the number of slots available and 2) schools decide what kind of class make up they want. 10000 applicants with 1600 SAT scores for 500 slots? They have to pick somehow and they look at lots of factors to make it an interesting group.

Have you never been on a selection committee for anything?

DP. But they shouldn't be racist about it.

They're not.

Favoring blacks over whites isn't racist?

Merriam Webster: racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

A university deciding it wants a diverse incoming class -- diverse in terms of race, class, gender, where people come from -- is not included in the dictionary definition of racism.

Yes it is.

Then don't send your kid to a university that uses holistic admissions. Easy peasy.

But the Trump DOJ can't tell private universitities not to consider race. And publics can use it as a "plus factor"-- so you will have to cope.

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Anonymous wrote:Another waste of taxpayer money and another "oh, poor me" whine from the dumb whites.

Like "oh poor me" programs for Blacks? "Oh poor me my great great grandfather was a slave!"

No, Dear, like "Poor me, my great grandfather was a slave owner and now my boss is a woman or Black or Asian, etc and now one says Merry Christmas anymore!"

And "Oh, poor me! We spent six thousand dollars on an SAT tutor, another 3K for someone to write his college application essay and provide guidance, and another 800K on private school and my white son still didn't get into Harvard! Even after we paid for him to go on a church trip to help the pagan children!!"

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Why should a black student who has a 3.3 gpa, 1200 sat and who comes from an upper middle class background and has good extracurriculars get into better schools than a white middle class student with a 3.6 gpa, 1300 sat and good extracurriculars? This is reality to many Affirmative action should be on family income not race.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't SCOTUS already decided on the constitutionality of affirmative action? So glad taxpayer funds will be going to what's *really* important.

Yes screw little Johnny who got s 1600 SAT. he needs to give up his seat to Harvard because racism, right?

To little Jamal who also got a 1600? Maybe.

But you know that government can't tell Harvard who to admit, I hope.

Private institutions can do what they want. SCOTUS has articulated the standard in a recents string of cases for publics. What is the DOE doing again?

And BTW-- white parent here with a kid at TJ. The students who have a legit beef about being held to a higher standard in college admissions are Asians-- especially inIvys and STEM programs. My kid will get in to a college with a lower GPA and lower SAT that his Asian classmates.

But sure, affluent whites are being shafted.

No they can't. Do you think a restaurant can refuse to serve black customers? Or a school to admit black students? It's all prohibited by federal law under the commerce clause.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should a black student who has a 3.3 gpa, 1200 sat and who comes from an upper middle class background and has good extracurriculars get into better schools than a white middle class student with a 3.6 gpa, 1300 sat and good extracurriculars? This is reality to many Affirmative action should be on family income not race.

Because liberals want to destroy the white race.

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Wow.

So, all those people who were mad that they were called deplorables, are actually deplorable racists. Who knew?

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Anonymous wrote:Ironically, in college admissions, it's actually asians that get hurt most by affirmative action.

How is that?

China and India are such great cultures. I would imagine there are lots of opportunities for innovative people in China and India.

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identity politics, GOP style.

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Fine to allow them to consider race so long as other schools or institutions are allowed to consider race in the other direction, and openly favor whites.

That is exactly what legacy admissions IS-- in practice. For decades, non-whites weren't admitted to what are considered the elite universities. Those institutions give big preference to legacy kids-- the vast majority of whom are white. It isn't just Jamal with the 1300 who is beating out white middle-class Meg with the 1500 whose parents went to State U-- it is Ripley IV with the 1400 and the legacy parents.